Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-23 Thread Katrina




Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like
accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and
interested tutors :-P


Well, one of my minors at Uni SA has a subject/course of Accesible 
Interactive Multimedia, so your dream is my reality :)


Thanks for that! ;p

Kat
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[WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread ivanovitch
Folks

I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or
other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design.

So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of
web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options.

Thoughts?
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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Lloyd
Hi,

Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You
can read it for free online.
http://www.joeclark.org/book/

:-)

Lloyd

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 Folks

 I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or
 other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design.

 So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of
 web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options.

 Thoughts?
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RE: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Ted Drake
Lloyd, are you an instructor?
If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able
to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and
they are happy to send you others. 

Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for
students.

Ted


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Hi,

Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You
can read it for free online.
http://www.joeclark.org/book/

:-)

Lloyd

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 I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or
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 So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of
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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Matthew Cruickshank

Lloyd wrote:

Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You
can read it for free online.
http://www.joeclark.org/book/
  

This would be my recommendation too.

Unlike most technical authors Joe writes authoritatively and clearly, he 
doesn't take the WAI as sacrosanct, and your students will laugh their 
asses off at the book's cover. The good students, anyway.


ps. The entire book isn't available online, just the meat of it.



.Matthew Cruickshank
http://holloway.co.nz/
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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Lloyd
Ted,

I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web
class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing
degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML
3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I
was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No
that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline
styles in the second assignment).

Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like
accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and
interested tutors :-P

Lloyd

On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lloyd, are you an instructor?
 If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able
 to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and
 they are happy to send you others.

 Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for
 students.

 Ted


 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

 Hi,

 Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You
 can read it for free online.
 http://www.joeclark.org/book/

 :-)

 Lloyd

 On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Folks
 
  I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or
  other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design.
 
  So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of
  web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options.
 
  Thoughts?
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RE: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Lloyd, 

can you tell us the university, the course/faculty and the year you did that
course? Just to put it in context. By no means as a way of shaming them into
the present...

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Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM
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Ted,

I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web
class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing
degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML
3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I
was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No
that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline
styles in the second assignment).

Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like
accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and
interested tutors :-P

Lloyd

On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lloyd, are you an instructor?
 If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was
able
 to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and
 they are happy to send you others.

 Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for
 students.

 Ted


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Lloyd
 Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

 Hi,

 Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You
 can read it for free online.
 http://www.joeclark.org/book/

 :-)

 Lloyd

 On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Folks
 
  I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or
  other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design.
 
  So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of
  web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options.
 
  Thoughts?
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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Christian Montoya

 Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like
 accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and
 interested tutors :-P

 Lloyd

So sorry to hear that... I am fortunate enough to go to a school where
that dream is a reality, so at least it's possible. Only wish more
professors taught like mine.

--
--
Christian Montoya
christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com
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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Lloyd
The course/major is Internet Computer, a BSc. The unit was run in
first semester of this year (2005). I would prefer not to mention the
name of the Uni to the list but feel free to add me to MSN
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or ICQ (18618174) and I will discuss it with
you or anyone else who is interested.

I must say that, to the absolute credit of the lecturer, they have
adopted a new xHTML text book for next year, I believe largely due to
my feedback. The lecturer, who I met with out of class several times,
was largely unaware of the powers of CSS but a visit to pages like CSS
Zen Garden really opened her eyes. They were aware of W3C and there
was limited discussions about things such as colour blind users and a
slide or two about things like screen readers. About a month ago I got
an email, out of the blue, to visit her office. She thanked me for our
conversations during the year and told me that the unit had adopted an
xHTML text book for next year! Then she gave me a brand new copy of
the new text book which must be worth over $100!

At the end of the day if I had done that unit without my prior
knowledge and experience I would never of known of the problems. I
would not of said anything and things may not of changed.

Lloyd

On 11/23/05, Herrod, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Lloyd,

 can you tell us the university, the course/faculty and the year you did that
 course? Just to put it in context. By no means as a way of shaming them into
 the present...

 -Original Message-
 From: Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?


 Ted,

 I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web
 class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing
 degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML
 3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I
 was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No
 that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline
 styles in the second assignment).

 Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like
 accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and
 interested tutors :-P

 Lloyd

 On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Lloyd, are you an instructor?
  If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was
 able
  to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and
  they are happy to send you others.
 
  Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for
  students.
 
  Ted
 
 
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Lloyd
  Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM
  To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
  Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
 
  Hi,
 
  Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You
  can read it for free online.
  http://www.joeclark.org/book/
 
  :-)
 
  Lloyd
 
  On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Folks
  
   I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or
   other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design.
  
   So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of
   web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options.
  
   Thoughts?
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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 11/22/05 4:42 PM Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:

 Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You
 can read it for free online.
 http://www.joeclark.org/book/

Does that comprise the entire book, then?

Thanks

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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-22 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 11/22/05 10:45 PM Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:

 Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You
 can read it for free online.
 http://www.joeclark.org/book/
 
 Does that comprise the entire book, then?

Never mind. There's a good explanation at the bottom of this page:

  http://www.joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/

Sorry for the list clutter.

Rick Faaberg

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