Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation
Neerav, Doesn't look good in Safari 1.0, Neerav. (Submenus appear at the top of the viewport.) Fine in Safari 1.2. No submenus in IE 5.2.3 Mac. Is this acceptable to your client? -Hugh Todd Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation at http://www.rci.com.au What a difference it makes! Implementing Son of Suckerfish cut 30kb off the page size by removing the old DHTML menu, and reduced page load and render times dramatically * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation
Hugh Any choice has its +'s and -'s, as they say What you lose on the swings, you gain on the roundabouts. In this case: Swings * I lose the wide cross browser functionality of AJMenu http://navsurf.com/menus/browsers.asp * In a few older browser versions, or browsers that arent very popular the suckerfish menu wont display well/at all. Roundabouts * Page size is reduced by 30 kilobytes * It is much, much easier for me to handle the rollout of new language versions of the site because the menu is just lists of text, * Search engines can now follow and index the menu links * Page render times are noticably faster now there's hardly any jscript used - IE for Mac isnt being developed anymore so its a dead duck - while son of suckerfish doesnt work in Safari 1 it does work in Safari 1.2, its not like it doesnt work in Safari at all - according to the sites traffic logs, the vast majority of visitors use IE or a new version of Mozilla/Firefox so they will experience the benefits, for people who use older browser versions, or browsers that makeup a small % of visitors, the sitemap provides full functionality. I am not locking anyone out. So for this client who specifically wants a GUI style multi-level menu, I am giving them the best possible one I could find providing the Greatest Good for the Greatest Number -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 Hugh Todd wrote: Neerav, Doesn't look good in Safari 1.0, Neerav. (Submenus appear at the top of the viewport.) Fine in Safari 1.2. No submenus in IE 5.2.3 Mac. Is this acceptable to your client? -Hugh Todd Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation at http://www.rci.com.au What a difference it makes! Implementing Son of Suckerfish cut 30kb off the page size by removing the old DHTML menu, and reduced page load and render times dramatically * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation
Nick thats a top idea, have done as you suggest, adding links to the top level parts of the menu eg: Products. Im sure you know that the probability of IE X (the next version) being released as part of the next Windows Operating System is 100%, whereas the chance of M'soft releasing a new IE for Mac is 0% -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 Nick Gleitzman wrote: Neerav, can I suggest you activate the 'top level' links in your menu so they actually go somewhere - even if it is to the sitemap - rather appearing broken to visitors who are in that minority? IMHO, most people will stop and leave as soon as they encounter a link that doesn't work... Oh, and IE/Win isn't being developed as a standalone any more either. Does that make it a dead duck, too? Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 06:59 PM, Neerav wrote: - IE for Mac isnt being developed anymore so its a dead duck - while son of suckerfish doesnt work in Safari 1 it does work in Safari 1.2, its not like it doesnt work in Safari at all - according to the sites traffic logs, the vast majority of visitors use IE or a new version of Mozilla/Firefox so they will experience the benefits, for people who use older browser versions, or browsers that makeup a small % of visitors, the sitemap provides full functionality. I am not locking anyone out. So for this client who specifically wants a GUI style multi-level menu, I am giving them the best possible one I could find providing the Greatest Good for the Greatest Number * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation
On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 08:59 PM, Neerav wrote: Nick thats a top idea, have done as you suggest, adding links to the top level parts of the menu eg: Products. You're welcome. Im sure you know that the probability of IE X (the next version) being released as part of the next Windows Operating System is 100%, whereas the chance of M'soft releasing a new IE for Mac is 0% Agreed, but just because software is no longer developed doesn't mean people stop using it! Nick __ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation
Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation at http://www.rci.com.au What a difference it makes! Implementing Son of Suckerfish cut 30kb off the page size by removing the old DHTML menu, and reduced page load and render times dramatically I did have to sacrifice NS4 and IE4 compatibility which the old DHTML menu had, but there is a fully functional site map and once I add the @import hack to hide the menu from old browsers they wont see the Son of Suckerfish menu at all :-) Net result: * 95%+ visitors to the site get improved usability and speed * search engines can follow links in Son of Suckerfish menu as its basically just a bunch of lists * some older/less used browsers will see a wacky menu, but can use the site map anyway. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
