IE6 support - was - Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-04 Thread James Ellis
Hi 

Not wanting to hijack the PNG thread, so I've altered the subject.

I understand the issues involve in huge migrations, it's not that easy.. 
especially if your systems have a vested interest in some piece of obsolete 
technology.. but there are two things that strike me as odd here - 
- IE7 has been around for about 2 years now. It takes about 10 minutes to 
install IE7 on the desktop (I did one yesterday). 2 employees shouldn't be 
that difficult ?
- the last time I worked in a big corporate environment, upgrades happened 
with a zap disk - either by choice or because the OS became unusable. The zap 
would boot up the PC and download an image to the machine, installing the 
image. A fresh new windows in about 30 minutes.

So, time isn't obviously an issue - I think it's more the tying of an 
application to one browser -- if it's for internal use that's  a special case 
that probably doesn't apply to general public web use.


Get enough people hammering on the door and somethings gotta give, I say ;)

Cheers
James

On Monday 04 August 2008 15:54:41 Phillips, Wendy wrote:
 I would agree. When you have over 20,000 employees and multiple legacy
 systems, upgrading an OS is a really big deal and you will always be behind
 the pack. Staff don't have the choice or ability to upgrade.


   WP


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 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

  as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is
  a gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at
  37signals, I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've
  done their maths and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something.
  [snip...]
  In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or
  just nicely push people into an upgrade path?

 OT and not much to do with IE6 .png solutions but instead, the ongoing
 support of IE6 aspect of this thread.

 I was advised by a lesser Microsoft management bot that many corporate
 organisations have a 'latest minus one' policy, which means only running up
 to the previous version of any current browser. This will hopefully mean
 that when IE8 is fully released many corporate techs will then upgrade to
 IE7, ideally resulting in a bulk upgrade of the costly IE6.

 I hope this has some truth.





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Re: IE6 support - was - Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-04 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Another problem is that there are organisations which still have large
investments in a legacy O/S (MS included) on which IE7/8 cannot run.

So it's not just a time issue for downloading the browser, but upgrading
to a new O/S.


On Mon, August 4, 2008 8:03 am, James Ellis wrote:
 Hi

 Not wanting to hijack the PNG thread, so I've altered the subject.

 I understand the issues involve in huge migrations, it's not that easy..
 especially if your systems have a vested interest in some piece of
 obsolete
 technology.. but there are two things that strike me as odd here -
 - IE7 has been around for about 2 years now. It takes about 10 minutes to
 install IE7 on the desktop (I did one yesterday). 2 employees
 shouldn't be
 that difficult ?
 - the last time I worked in a big corporate environment, upgrades happened
 with a zap disk - either by choice or because the OS became unusable. The
 zap
 would boot up the PC and download an image to the machine, installing the
 image. A fresh new windows in about 30 minutes.

 So, time isn't obviously an issue - I think it's more the tying of an
 application to one browser -- if it's for internal use that's  a special
 case
 that probably doesn't apply to general public web use.


 Get enough people hammering on the door and somethings gotta give, I say
 ;)

 Cheers
 James

 On Monday 04 August 2008 15:54:41 Phillips, Wendy wrote:
 I would agree. When you have over 20,000 employees and multiple legacy
 systems, upgrading an OS is a really big deal and you will always be
 behind
 the pack. Staff don't have the choice or ability to upgrade.


  WP


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 Behalf Of Lewis, Matthew Sent: Monday, 4 August 2008 2:05 PM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

  as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is
  a gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at
  37signals, I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've
  done their maths and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something.
  [snip...]
  In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or
  just nicely push people into an upgrade path?

 OT and not much to do with IE6 .png solutions but instead, the ongoing
 support of IE6 aspect of this thread.

 I was advised by a lesser Microsoft management bot that many corporate
 organisations have a 'latest minus one' policy, which means only running
 up
 to the previous version of any current browser. This will hopefully mean
 that when IE8 is fully released many corporate techs will then upgrade
 to
 IE7, ideally resulting in a bulk upgrade of the costly IE6.

 I hope this has some truth.





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RE: IE6 support - was - Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-04 Thread michael.brockington
Not wanting to hijack the PNG thread, so I've altered the subject.

I understand the issues involve in huge migrations, it's not 
that easy.. 


At the risk of starting a war, it doesn't sound like you do understand.

Before even starting to plan a migration, any decent corporation, of
whatever size, must first demonstrate a business advantage to the task.
The bigger the organisation is, the more likely they will have a desktop
image (XP Pro) that can be applied to any machine they buy in,
regardless of what is on it, so neither hardware obsolescence nor the
withdrawal of software support holds a big fear for most.

The true question is not 'why not upgrade to IE7?'  but actually 'why
change?'.
I can give numerous reasons to upgrade to FF, but no real reasons to
upgrade to IE7.


As an aside, I am not at all worried by this - it was the longevity of
IE4 that did most to make people aware of the alternatives; hopefully
IE6 will have the same effect: a little more short-term pain for some
long-term gain as they switch to Safari.

Regards,
Mike


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Re: IE6 support - was - Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-04 Thread James Ellis
Hi Mike

No worries, not interested in war, but I do understand.

I guess the one big answer about why change is that, over time, sites will 
just stop working to their full efficiency. There is also the big one called 
security (or lack of). I hope, but I don't think, that this fabled desktop 
image would include FF3, Safari 3 or Opera 9.5 as the default browser :D even 
IE7 gives me the odd grey hair still.

I can only think the organisations that can't upgrade  are those completely 
welded to IE6 because their interfaces only work in that browser OR those that 
are still using Windows 95/98/2000. If their IT setup is structured that way 
wellthey've got their own hole to dig out of.

I guess what I'm getting at is that for new clients or redevelopments, we can 
do a lot to educate clients and customers and following on from that improve  
our lot as developers -- maybe even hasten IE6's demise.

Thanks!
James


On Monday 04 August 2008 20:23:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not wanting to hijack the PNG thread, so I've altered the subject.
 
 I understand the issues involve in huge migrations, it's not
 that easy..

 At the risk of starting a war, it doesn't sound like you do understand.

 Before even starting to plan a migration, any decent corporation, of
 whatever size, must first demonstrate a business advantage to the task.
 The bigger the organisation is, the more likely they will have a desktop
 image (XP Pro) that can be applied to any machine they buy in,
 regardless of what is on it, so neither hardware obsolescence nor the
 withdrawal of software support holds a big fear for most.

 The true question is not 'why not upgrade to IE7?'  but actually 'why
 change?'.
 I can give numerous reasons to upgrade to FF, but no real reasons to
 upgrade to IE7.


 As an aside, I am not at all worried by this - it was the longevity of
 IE4 that did most to make people aware of the alternatives; hopefully
 IE6 will have the same effect: a little more short-term pain for some
 long-term gain as they switch to Safari.

 Regards,
 Mike



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Re: IE6 support - was - Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-04 Thread Joseph Taylor

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The opposite is true as well.  I don't do work for large entities - only 
very small local businesses so I can share their own situation.  Theres 
no question in my mind that these entities make up a huge share of 
computer usage.


This typical office I work has computers that fall into these groups:

The new computers (usually just a couple reserved for the people on them 
constantly like secretaries etc) - always Dells with either XP sp2 or 
Vista.  Both have IE7 installed.  This covers occasional laptops people 
bring from home etc too.


The normal computers (all Dell Dimensions with celerons and around 3-4 
years old)  These computers represent the business's major technology 
investment and all have IE6 and are slow as hell.


The old computers (they all seem to still have ONE floating around) that 
has wither win2000, ME, or 98 (its true!) that are typically hidden in 
the back of the office.


Point being, large organizations making major migrations to ease the 
burden of web development isn't going to happen at a rate that would 
please us.  Most of these organizations will only migrate if something 
disastrous happens. 

I imagine: As CEOs iron out what to do with profits for the year do you 
really think any one of them are saying I was gonna pocket this money 
or spend it on my mistress, but instead lets get the work force some new 
computers, I noticed that images using alpha channels are not displaying 
properly for the slaves.  I say probably not


My 2 cents.

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James Ellis wrote:

Hi Mike

No worries, not interested in war, but I do understand.

I guess the one big answer about why change is that, over time, sites will 
just stop working to their full efficiency. There is also the big one called 
security (or lack of). I hope, but I don't think, that this fabled desktop 
image would include FF3, Safari 3 or Opera 9.5 as the default browser :D even 
IE7 gives me the odd grey hair still.


I can only think the organisations that can't upgrade  are those completely 
welded to IE6 because their interfaces only work in that browser OR those that 
are still using Windows 95/98/2000. If their IT setup is structured that way 
wellthey've got their own hole to dig out of.


I guess what I'm getting at is that for new clients or redevelopments, we can 
do a lot to educate clients and customers and following on from that improve  
our lot as developers -- maybe even hasten IE6's demise.


Thanks!
James


On Monday 04 August 2008 20:23:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Not wanting to hijack the PNG thread, so I've altered the subject.

I understand the issues involve in huge migrations, it's not
that easy..
  

At the risk of starting a war, it doesn't sound like you do understand.

Before even starting to plan a migration, any decent corporation, of
whatever size, must first demonstrate a business advantage to the task.
The bigger the organisation is, the more likely they will have a desktop
image (XP Pro) that can be applied to any machine they buy in,
regardless of what is on it, so neither hardware obsolescence nor the
withdrawal of software support holds a big fear for most.

The true question is not 'why not upgrade to IE7?'  but actually 'why
change?'.
I can give numerous reasons to upgrade to FF, but no real reasons to
upgrade to IE7.


As an aside, I am not at all worried by this - it was the longevity of
IE4 that did most to make people aware of the alternatives; hopefully
IE6 will have the same effect: a little more short-term pain for some
long-term gain as they switch to Safari.

Regards,
Mike





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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread Сергей Кириченко

not to use png with alpha in IE6 )
just like  adobe.com (look at drop-down menu in different browsers)

sri ni пишет:

Hi All,

What is the best *solution *for IE6 PNG issue?

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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread Joseph Taylor
In the end IE6 isn't going to be 100% if you're using .png files.  Even 
the javascripts out there cause odd bugs - things like link over .png 
backgrounds not working etc.


My advice and what I do in actual practice - use conditional comments to 
address IE6 and lower and replace all instances of .png with a .gif.


Yes, it doesn't look as nice the .pngs, but then again everything looks 
like crap on them - just look at the non-aliased text!


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Сергей Кириченко wrote:

not to use png with alpha in IE6 )
just like  adobe.com (look at drop-down menu in different browsers)

sri ni пишет:

Hi All,

What is the best *solution *for IE6 PNG issue?

--
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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread James Ellis
Hi

There is some really good information in all these posts. I'd also go so far 
as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is a 
gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at 37signals, 
I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've done their maths 
and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something.
For all my new clients, I have added a clause in the contract which states 
we'll be phasing out IE6 support beginning 2009- their site may work in IE6 
after the phase out date but for full support they should use a better browser 
- Firefox, Opera, Safari, IE7, Konquerer etc etc

I pitch it to them that in the long run they'll actually be spending more 
money developing for IE6 (a browser which is patched by upgrading to IE7) than 
in adding features that could bring in more revenue. They'll also be 
prolonging the shelf life of a browser which has the functional equivalence of 
5 year old cheese at the back of a fridge, making it more difficult to add 
features next year.

That said, allowing a site to be unusable in IE6 is going to be alienating. 
Giving users some graceful degradation while making it known that they'll get 
normal functionality by spending 10 minutes upgrading is a better way to go. 
An example - I have a rounded corner generator that uses Imagick to create 
images on the fly (cached  for later use) - the images are 24 bit PNGs with an 
alpha channel - because I don't know what the background will be. In IE6, the 
user gets square boxes -- perfectly functional as they can still use the site 
-- when a client asks me about it I remind them of our upgrade path 
conversation. If they still want it I tell them they'll get something that'll 
be uglier than square boxes... and so on.

In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or just nicely 
push people into an upgrade path?

HTH
James


On Monday 04 August 2008 01:53:46 Joseph Taylor wrote:
 In the end IE6 isn't going to be 100% if you're using .png files.  Even
 the javascripts out there cause odd bugs - things like link over .png
 backgrounds not working etc.

 My advice and what I do in actual practice - use conditional comments to
 address IE6 and lower and replace all instances of .png with a .gif.

 Yes, it doesn't look as nice the .pngs, but then again everything looks
 like crap on them - just look at the non-aliased text!

 Joseph R. B. Taylor
 /Designer / Developer/
 --
 Sites by Joe, LLC
 /Clean, Simple and Elegant Web Design/
 Phone: (609) 335-3076
 Fax: (866) 301-8045
 Web: http://sitesbyjoe.com
 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Сергей Кириченко wrote:
  not to use png with alpha in IE6 )
  just like  adobe.com (look at drop-down menu in different browsers)
 
  sri ni пишет:
  Hi All,
 
  What is the best *solution *for IE6 PNG issue?
 
  --
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  Srini Perumal
 




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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread Lewis, Matthew


as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is a 
gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at 37signals, 
I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've done their maths 
and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something.

[snip...]
In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or just nicely 
push people into an upgrade path?
  
OT and not much to do with IE6 .png solutions but instead, the ongoing 
support of IE6 aspect of this thread.


I was advised by a lesser Microsoft management bot that many corporate 
organisations have a 'latest minus one' policy, which means only running 
up to the previous version of any current browser. This will hopefully 
mean that when IE8 is fully released many corporate techs will then 
upgrade to IE7, ideally resulting in a bulk upgrade of the costly IE6.


I hope this has some truth.


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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread Anton Babushkin
It has absolute truth. I work in the biggest state government department in
Australia and we have that exact minus one policy, which means never being
at the bleeding edge.

There are tons and tons of in house applications that have (sadly) been
built around the IE6 platform, which would be an absolute disaster for the
department if IE7 was suddenly rolled out. Its not as simple as upgrading
your home PC or your local internet cafe. This is a very similar story to
many other companies and deparments Australia and World Wide.

The recent embarkement by 37 signals to phase out IE6 is not going to spark
anything. They're a small development company and don't have a large
customer base around IE6 and don't have a large influence on the general
population - rather only on the developmental community.

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Lewis, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is a
 gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at
 37signals, I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've done
 their maths and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something.
 [snip...]
 In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or just
 nicely push people into an upgrade path?


 OT and not much to do with IE6 .png solutions but instead, the ongoing
 support of IE6 aspect of this thread.

 I was advised by a lesser Microsoft management bot that many corporate
 organisations have a 'latest minus one' policy, which means only running up
 to the previous version of any current browser. This will hopefully mean
 that when IE8 is fully released many corporate techs will then upgrade to
 IE7, ideally resulting in a bulk upgrade of the costly IE6.

 I hope this has some truth.


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RE: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread Jason Turnbull
Anton Babushkin wrote: 

 It has absolute truth. I work in the biggest state government 
 department in Australia and we have that exact minus one policy, 
 which means never being at the bleeding edge.

 There are tons and tons of in house applications that have (sadly) 
 been built around the IE6 platform, which would be an absolute 
 disaster for the department if IE7 was suddenly rolled out

If there was truly a 'minus one' policy they would only started developing
for IE6, when IE7 was released

Regards
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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread Anton Babushkin
Yes, true. But there are always special case scenarios.

It mainly adopted IE6 as the platform of choice due to the Operating System
that they rolled out across the department (Windows XP).

There never is a trully anything if you look at it from one direction :)

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Jason Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Anton Babushkin wrote:

  It has absolute truth. I work in the biggest state government
  department in Australia and we have that exact minus one policy,
  which means never being at the bleeding edge.

  There are tons and tons of in house applications that have (sadly)
  been built around the IE6 platform, which would be an absolute
  disaster for the department if IE7 was suddenly rolled out

 If there was truly a 'minus one' policy they would only started developing
 for IE6, when IE7 was released

 Regards
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RE: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread Phillips, Wendy
I would agree. When you have over 20,000 employees and multiple legacy systems, 
upgrading an OS is a really big deal and you will always be behind the pack. 
Staff don't have the choice or ability to upgrade.


WP


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 as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is 
 a gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at 
 37signals, I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've 
 done their maths and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something.
 [snip...]
 In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or 
 just nicely push people into an upgrade path?
   
OT and not much to do with IE6 .png solutions but instead, the ongoing support 
of IE6 aspect of this thread.

I was advised by a lesser Microsoft management bot that many corporate 
organisations have a 'latest minus one' policy, which means only running up to 
the previous version of any current browser. This will hopefully mean that when 
IE8 is fully released many corporate techs will then upgrade to IE7, ideally 
resulting in a bulk upgrade of the costly IE6.

I hope this has some truth.


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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-02 Thread David Hucklesby
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:02:15 +0530, sri ni wrote:
 Hi All,

 What is the best solution for IE6 PNG issue?

Another solution is available using 8-bit PNG. Like other methods,
it is a compromise, but may work for you. It depends on your needs:

  http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/09/18/png8-the-clear-winner/

Cordially,
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[WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-01 Thread sri ni
Hi All,

What is the best *solution *for IE6 PNG issue?

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Srini Perumal


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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-01 Thread Tijmen Smit
This solution works fine for me -
http://24ways.org/2007/supersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6

Regards,
Tijmen

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 8:32 AM, sri ni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All,

 What is the best *solution *for IE6 PNG issue?

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 Srini Perumal


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Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-01 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Tijmen Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This solution works fine for me -
 http://24ways.org/2007/supersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6


Another recent one here:

http://labs.unitinteractive.com/unitpngfix.php

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