RE: Link or @import (was Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?)

2008-11-25 Thread Foskett, Mike 
Sorry,
I forgot to add that FOUC doesn't occur if the style tag is followed by
any other valid tag, eg  which is opened and closed
separately.
Though to be honest I cannot remember the last time I incurred the bug.

Mike Foskett
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Using the link tag prevents parallel downloads in the same manner as the
script tag for javascript.
The style tag with the @import method does not.

Mike

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Foskett, Mike wrote:
> I'd add a furtherance to Steve Sounders / Yahoo's recommendations and
> use the @import method for style sheets and not link.

Why?

Netscape 4 isn't an issue any more so using @import to hide CSS from it
is pointless, but it does trigger a FOUC in MSIE, which is undesirable.

Embedding a stylesheet in a document which does nothing except load an
external stylesheet is conceptually inelegant (and very slightly off
track for the separation of style from content).

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RE: Link or @import (was Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?)

2008-11-25 Thread Foskett, Mike 
Using the link tag prevents parallel downloads in the same manner as the
script tag for javascript.
The style tag with the @import method does not.

Mike

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Foskett, Mike wrote:
> I'd add a furtherance to Steve Sounders / Yahoo's recommendations and
> use the @import method for style sheets and not link.

Why?

Netscape 4 isn't an issue any more so using @import to hide CSS from it
is pointless, but it does trigger a FOUC in MSIE, which is undesirable.

Embedding a stylesheet in a document which does nothing except load an
external stylesheet is conceptually inelegant (and very slightly off
track for the separation of style from content).

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Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-25 Thread Brett Patterson 
Ooh! Thanks for the link. Valuable reading. I do not, however, understand
the ETags. So, I guess I must do a lot more research. Thanks.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Foskett, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I'd add a furtherance to Steve Sounders / Yahoo's recommendations and
> use the @import method for style sheets and not link.
>
> Mike Foskett
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?
>
> On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 10:24 -0500, Brett Patterson wrote:
> > I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is
> > read first! Are scripts or styles read first?
>
> As others have mentioned, they are read in the order they occur in the
> document.
>
> >  And which is the recommended order to list them? Styles or Scripts
> > first?
>
> Yahoo's performance best practice guide recommends styles in the head
> and scripts as the last thing before the  in a document. See
> http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html#css_top for more info.
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> Cheers
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Link or @import (was Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?)

2008-11-25 Thread David Dorward 
Foskett, Mike wrote:
> I'd add a furtherance to Steve Sounders / Yahoo's recommendations and
> use the @import method for style sheets and not link.

Why?

Netscape 4 isn't an issue any more so using @import to hide CSS from it
is pointless, but it does trigger a FOUC in MSIE, which is undesirable.

Embedding a stylesheet in a document which does nothing except load an
external stylesheet is conceptually inelegant (and very slightly off
track for the separation of style from content).

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RE: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-25 Thread Foskett, Mike 
I'd add a furtherance to Steve Sounders / Yahoo's recommendations and
use the @import method for style sheets and not link.

Mike Foskett


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Subject: Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 10:24 -0500, Brett Patterson wrote:
> I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is
> read first! Are scripts or styles read first?

As others have mentioned, they are read in the order they occur in the
document.

>  And which is the recommended order to list them? Styles or Scripts
> first?

Yahoo's performance best practice guide recommends styles in the head
and scripts as the last thing before the  in a document. See
http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html#css_top for more info.

Cheers

Dave



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Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-24 Thread Dave Hall 
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 10:24 -0500, Brett Patterson wrote:
> I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is
> read first! Are scripts or styles read first?

As others have mentioned, they are read in the order they occur in the
document.

>  And which is the recommended order to list them? Styles or Scripts
> first?

Yahoo's performance best practice guide recommends styles in the head
and scripts as the last thing before the  in a document. See
http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html#css_top for more info.

Cheers

Dave



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Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-24 Thread Christian Snodgrass 

Brett Patterson wrote:
I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is 
read first! Are scripts or styles read first? And which is the 
recommended order to list them? Styles or Scripts first?


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They are read in the order you list them in your HTML. However, if you 
change elements with Javascript, the CSS is still applied to the new 
stuff as well. Basically, regardless when loaded the CSS always acts on 
everything. Javascript needs to be run after any elements it might need 
to edit though.


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Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-24 Thread David Dorward 
Brett Patterson wrote:
> I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is read
> first! Are scripts or styles read first? And which is the recommended
> order to list them? Styles or Scripts first?

They are read in whatever ever the browser reaches them.

Scripts pause parsing of HTML (except when they are deferred, and the
browser supports that feature) while styling generally doesn't.


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[WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-24 Thread Brett Patterson 
I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is read
first! Are scripts or styles read first? And which is the recommended order
to list them? Styles or Scripts first?

-- 
Brett P.


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