Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-08 Thread Tim White
Without getting into the debate on the correct semantics of the dl, I have one general problem with using it (and tables) for this case: sequential numbering. Placing his list in a dl or table and manually numbering them works, but what about when a new item needs to be added to the list

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-08 Thread Patrick Griffiths
Placing his list in a dl or table and manually numbering them works, but what about when a new item needs to be added to the list somewhere in the middle? I'm assuming a system like this is dynamically handled back-end, so removing this problem. I'm not sure what the rational for dropping the

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-08 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:26:26 -, Patrick Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what the rational for dropping the start= from ol was, and at first glance it seems an odd thing to do. Like others have mention, I can see cases where it would be useful - a results list with 1,000 entry,

RE: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-08 Thread Ian Fenn
Patrick wrote: doesn't work all the time, but as a general rule: when you have this type of inconsistencies, try and be very specific with regards to all margins and paddings. Otherwise, you're leaving the ones you don't specify up to the rendering engine's default, which may well vary from

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-08 Thread Patrick Griffiths
@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11 Patrick wrote: doesn't work all the time, but as a general rule: when you have this type of inconsistencies, try and be very specific with regards to all margins and paddings

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:19:02 +, Ian Fenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had I been doing it with HTML Transitional or similar, I would have displayed a second page of results as follows: ol start=11liFirst result/li liSecond.../li ... /ol Do you have any suggestions as to how I could achieve a

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Michael Cordover
See, I'd say a table or a definition list. I think I'm one of the very few people who actually supports the loss of the start= attribute. An ordered list means there is an order, *not* that there is anything particular assocated with that order. So, think about it in terms of set theory, if you

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Patrick Griffiths
See, I'd say a table or a definition list. I think I'm one of the very few people who actually supports the loss of the start= attribute. I'd go with Michael, on both points. Table would be fine, but definition list is probably better. And the start attribute is bad because the first item in

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread The Bo$$
Use Javascript. Insert the content with innerHTML. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
The Bo$$ wrote: Use Javascript. Insert the content with innerHTML. How accessible...and semantic! Write valid code, so you pass automated validators, then use JS to basically mess it up in whatever way you like? Sorry, but that's hardly the point of web standards, imho. -- Patrick H. Lauke

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:07:39 +1100, Michael Cordover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An ordered list means there is an order, *not* that there is anything particular assocated with that order. So, think about it in terms of set theory, if you will. An unordered list is like a set: {1, 2, 3} which is

RE: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Ian Fenn
Hi, Patrick wrote: How accessible...and semantic! Write valid code, so you pass automated validators, then use JS to basically mess it up in whatever way you like? Sorry, but that's hardly the point of web standards, imho. Indeed. At the moment I'm trying to use a definition list but I'm not

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kornel Lesinski wrote: I don't think that definition list can replace that either. dt11/dtddFoo/dd Foo does not define 11. It's just supposed to be 11th element of some list. However, the spec is soo vague with regards to the true semantics of DL, that the above use seems, if not ideal, at least

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Ian Fenn wrote: dt { float:left; } dd { margin:4px 8px; } This looks fine in firefox, but with IE 6 (Windows XP) the contents of the first dt are appearing slightly raised in comparison to the contents of the following dd. The other dts and dds are being displayed fine... doesn't work all the

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-07 Thread heretic
Hi there, ol start=11liFirst result/li liSecond.../li ... /ol My two cents: use this method. It's one of those times that the standards are too strict without providing a robust alternative (more the fault of browsers than standards, though). I would support the idea of using Transitional

[WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-06 Thread Ian Fenn
Hi, I am in the process of building a template for a page of search results. The rest of the website is XHTML Strict so I'm having to code it this way. Had I been doing it with HTML Transitional or similar, I would have displayed a second page of results as follows: ol start=11liFirst result/li

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Ian Fenn wrote: Had I been doing it with HTML Transitional or similar, I would have displayed a second page of results as follows: ol start=11liFirst result/li liSecond.../li ... /ol Do you have any suggestions as to how I could achieve a similar effect with XHTML Strict? I was thinking of using

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-06 Thread Ian Fenn
Quoting Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The painful answer is: you're supposed to do it via CSS, but unfortunately support for counters is spotty at best...so you're left with either reverting to transitional, or writing your own DTD. Hmm... Thanks Patrick. Neither of these are really an

Re: [WSG] XHTML Strict alternative to ol start=11

2005-02-06 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Ian Fenn wrote: I guess I could use a table... in this context do you think it would be acceptable? I'd give that a tentative yes (while putting on my flame-proof piyamas), if the number has some sort of meaning. Heck, even if it denotes order or position I'd go with it. table thead