On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:13:16 -0400, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi accessible care takers,
In light of this recent discussion, I offer this, if you haven't already
read it (or already know this info):
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/open_new_windows.html
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Tom Livingston
Senior
Janelle Clemens wrote:
Thank you all for explaining the use of target=top.I will be
discussing this with my manager and hopefully we will start
implementing target=_blank.
A late side note regarding the use of the target attribute.
I believe some blockers do *not* let the browser spawn a
tee wrote:
Hi accessible care takers, I know open new window even for external
site is no good and have put it in practise for most sites I have
done, however I am kind of stuck on a site that has over 100 links
to external sites. My client, understands no accessible issues
however she
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:13 PM
Subject: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma
Hi accessible care takers, I know open new window even for external site
is no good and have put it in practise for most sites I have done,
however I am kind of stuck on a site that has over 100
Hi Tee,
All I can say is that, as a sighted viewer, if I encountered a site with
100 links, each of which which opened in the same window, I'd be outa
there faster than you can say 'back button' :-)
I've been wondering of late if there is another way out of this: just
like we can change
Hi Tee,
Why not say in the text of the page, opens in new browser window in
parentheses after the link? (If it's a pdf or other file type, state that here
as well, together with the file size.) The WCAG says you should warn people and
in *most* cases adding in the warning works well. A lot of
Vicki Berry
Why not say in the text of the page, opens in new browser
window in parentheses after the link?
I'd say not *after* the link, but *as part of* the link. If a user
is tabbing between links, they will not get to the text after
the link itself.
Patrick Lauke wrote:
I'd say not *after* the link, but *as part of* the link. If a user
is tabbing between links, they will not get to the text after
the link itself.
Good point, Patrick! Thanks.
Vicki. :-)
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Vicki Berry
DistinctiveWeb
Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au
Blog:
tee wrote:
done, however I am kind of stuck on a site that has over 100 links
to external sites. My client, understands no accessible issues
however she was willing to take many of my suggestions, except the
NO 'open new window' to external sites. Her argument is valid and
justifiable, that
:
http://www.superiorpixels.com/portfolio.html
Ted
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:39 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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Hi Tee,
All I can say
At 01:39 AM 8/25/2005, designer wrote:
All I can say is that, as a sighted viewer, if I encountered a site with
100 links, each of which which opened in the same window, I'd be outa
there faster than you can say 'back button' :-)
I've been wondering of late if there is another way out of
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Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:13 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma
Hi accessible care takers, I know open new window even for external site is
no good and have put it in practise for most sites I have
Hi Janelle
Regardless of your window philosophy, I think using target=top is asking
for trouble. That is a common target for pages with frames. I would at least
suggest using a target name that is not part of the frame architecture. That
is why most people used target=_blank. There are better
Hi Paul,
You're right of course: I do that too. However, I really do think that
most folk don't know about right-clicking in the way you describe, so
it's not so much a case of choosing as knowing that you can.
I suppose one could always put that option clearly as a line of text,
viz: To
At 11:00 AM 8/25/2005, Janelle Clemens wrote:
Who says opening a new window is bad practice. Especially if it is an
outside link. I've been searching the web for information on this and
finding nothing. My understanding of web accessibility and 508 is to make
everything as clear a possible.
On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Drake, Ted C. wrote:
Regardless of your window philosophy, I think using target=top is
asking
for trouble. That is a common target for pages with frames. I would
at least
suggest using a target name that is not part of the frame
architecture. That
is why
Jackie Reid wrote:
a href=http://www.siteurl.com.au; title=Opens in a New Window
onclick=window.open(this.href); return false;
onkeypress=window.open(this.href); return false;External link
here/a
this is detailed in the juicy studio article here
Ben Curtis wrote:
1- link replaces current document (no target or js new window)
2- link always opens new window (target=_blank or js equivalent
with unnamed window, e.g., window.open(this.href,'',winOptions);)
I agree, the opener getting focus each time the user clicks on a link create
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Subject: RE: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma
At 11:00 AM 8/25/2005, Janelle Clemens wrote:
Who says opening a new window is bad practice. Especially if it is an
outside link. I've been searching the web for information on this and
finding nothing. My understanding
Janelle Clemens wrote:
Does the reader not read the title tag which states Link will open in a new
browser window.?I thought that is why we use the title tag to give more
info on the link.
Not always. Depends on verbosity settings of screen readers, which in
many cases don't have that
On Aug 25, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Ben Curtis wrote:
1- link replaces current document (no target or js new window)
2- link always opens new window (target=_blank or js equivalent
with unnamed window, e.g., window.open(this.href,'',winOptions);)
I agree, the opener
.I feel like everything right now is a theory.
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Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:14 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] another 'open new window' dilemma
Janelle
Hi everyone, thank you for the feedback, I greatly appreciate. Sorry
for the slow response but I want to gather as many feedback as
possible, then absorb it, so that I can present a better approach for
my client.
Terrence, thanks for the suggestion. I am going to ask my client for
her
Hi Tee,
Sorry about the delay. I am behind on my emails. :-)
Should you decide to use Thierry's solution, there's a variant in
Sitepoint's new book you may like. It adds a checkbox so the
surfer can choose the behavior they want.
It is described in Chapter three as Creating Smarter Links.
Hi accessible care takers, I know open new window even for external
site is no good and have put it in practise for most sites I have
done, however I am kind of stuck on a site that has over 100 links
to external sites. My client, understands no accessible issues
however she was willing
You can suggest some user testing and run an A/B test (no new
windows/new windows) on the same design and see what the actual user
preference is instead of relying on assumptions.
Alternatively, you could provide a prefernce link somewhere on the page
that set's a cookie and writes the page
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