RE: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-22 Thread David Hucklesby
On Mon, 21 May 2007 18:46:33 -0700, Thierry Koblentz wrote: But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The users will still see a nice bold heading. The semantics are meanlingless to them. Actually

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Novitski wrote: Mordechai, please elaborate on this point: how does HTML lose semantic value when ids classes are added? I think of ids classes as being semantically neutral or inert. When used properly, ids and classes add semantic value. (That ids and classes can add value is, in

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Rob Kirton
More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page retrieval via search engines. To that end they are semantically neutral --

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, Or rather microformats give senatic value to certain classes for the use of external programs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformats Normal CSS markup improves semantics by removing presentational dross. On Mon, May 21, 2007 10:43 am, Mordechai Peller wrote: Paul Novitski wrote:

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Anders Nawroth
Rob Kirton skrev: More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in terms of benefit derived by end users and page retrieval via search engines. Take a look at this:

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Rob Kirton
Anders Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of this particular plugin; and as you suggest, better again if this or something similar is supported as standard in a wide range of user agents. Agent support of extended HTML is certainly a far better means of adoption, than the approach of having to

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Lucien Stals
Thanks for that :) Lucien. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/05/07 9:24 AM Tell that to this search engine: http://kitchen.technorati.com/search/ On 21/05/2007, at 9:31 PM, Rob Kirton wrote: More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Breton Slivka
Tell that to this search engine: http://kitchen.technorati.com/search/ On 21/05/2007, at 9:31 PM, Rob Kirton wrote: More precisely, the use of id and class can only add semantic value to developers or to those who have to maintain the site. They have no bearing on real world semantics in

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Lucien Stals
You could use the same argument to say that all markup in sematicly neutral. That the B tag and STRONG tags have the same semantic weight since end users, the consumers of the web, nerevr look at the markup and are largely uninterested in how the content gets to be that way it is. We could easily

RE: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Thierry Koblentz
But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The users will still see a nice bold heading. The semantics are meanlingless to them. Actually with your example, I believe there are more users who would be

RE: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-21 Thread Lucien Stals
Good point. Thanks. L. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/05/07 11:46 AM But at the end of the day, this will only piss of the people on this mailing list, and the next developer to work on your web site. The users will still see a nice bold heading. The

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Quoting Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do at this point. CSS 3's nth-child pseudo selector http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#nth-child-pseudo would help, but

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-18 Thread Paul Collins
Thanks for all your comments, CSS3 sounds loads better, but it will probably be many years until we can get decent browser support! I decided to put it in as an image, because I can't hide the text of an ordered list (list-style:none;) without it causing problems with Screen readers anyway.

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-18 Thread Paul Novitski
Lucien Stals wrote: Why aren't you just dealing with this server side and generating the desired classes and tags there? At 5/18/2007 02:25 AM, Mordechai Peller wrote: I see two reasons. First, by generating the CSS dynamically, browsers are unable to cache it, thereby loosing one of the

[WSG] css type loop

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Collins
Hi all, I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. This meant I had to add an individual class and style to each bullet point for each image, which can add up when you've got 20 bullets. I was wondering, does anyone know more clever way of doing this in some kind of a CSS

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-17 Thread Breton Slivka
This might seem obvious, but have you considered combining them into a single image, and adding them as a single background to the OL instead? On 17/05/2007, at 7:25 PM, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. This meant I had to add an

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-17 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This might seem obvious, but have you considered combining them into a single image, and adding them as a single background to the OL instead? That would break apart as soon as the user changed text size, or the amount of content in each LI is

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-17 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Quoting Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. This meant I had to add an individual class and style to each bullet point for each image, which can add up when you've got 20 bullets. I was wondering, does anyone know more clever way of

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Novitski
At 5/17/2007 02:25 AM, Paul Collins wrote: I recently had to add numerical bullet point graphics to an OL. This meant I had to add an individual class and style to each bullet point for each image, which can add up when you've got 20 bullets. I was wondering, does anyone know more clever way of

Re: [WSG] css type loop

2007-05-17 Thread Paul Novitski
At 5/17/2007 09:19 AM, Paul Novitski wrote: Yes, but what would make sense would be to combine all the numbers into a single image and then apply them to the list items with staggered positions, rather than applying a separate image to each list item. Here's a real-world example: