] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
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From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Yes. Thank you Felix! best
Totally agree with you! Letting users know about the security flaws of IE6+7 is
much more effective than the usual passive messages (especially on e-shops)!!
Providing the content styled or not is a tough question, but i believe it all
comes to the site's audience and purpose..for instance for
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:10:03 -0800, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
One of my clients did an implementation on his site, year ago the
usage of IE6 was over 15%; he had me put up an IE6 no more banner, 6
months later, the usage only dropped some 3%. Then I read news about
Google got hacked and
On 12/20/10 6:14 PM, Chad Kelly wrote:
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kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov
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Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed
Paul,
thank you very much! Very neat!
Had a deja vu moment when I saw the title, I might had stumbled on that article
before.
If I were to find the article in 2009 it probably wasn't worth the
consideration due to IE6 usage at that time, but it's prime time to start using
this technique
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On Behalf Of tee
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 6:20 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts
http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/universal_internet_explorer_6_css/
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:20 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage
has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to
no
IE6 would not load the stylesheet if set up the line of HTML like this:
!--[if (gt IE 6)|!(IE)]!-- main stylesheet goes here !--![endif]--
Joseph R. B. Taylor
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Sorry Georg,
I should have read your article before (re)using that joke!
I still not sure I'd spend extra effort to effectively penalise IE6 users.
IE6 is not Netscape 4, its CSS support is not that bad.
...
I just realised I'm sticking up for IE6!
Must be the payback for all the nasty things
On 2010/12/20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Erickson, Kevin (DOE) composed:
I like the let it fail gracefully method. And, using something like
!--[if IE 6]link rel=stylesheet href=/styles
/ie6_detection_message.css media=screen type=text/css
/![endif]--, display a message for IE 6 only, You are using IE 6.
...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Felix Miata
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:26 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
On 2010/12/20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Erickson, Kevin (DOE) composed:
I like the let it fail
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:26 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2010/12/20 13:13 (GMT-0500) Erickson, Kevin (DOE) composed:
I like the let it fail gracefully method. And, using something like
!--[if IE 6]link rel=stylesheet href=/styles
/ie6_detection_message.css media=screen type=text/css
On 20.12.2010 21:00, David McKinnon wrote:
Sorry Georg,
I should have read your article before (re)using that joke!
I still not sure I'd spend extra effort to effectively penalise IE6 users.
IE6 is not Netscape 4, its CSS support is not that bad.
...
I just realised I'm sticking up for IE6!
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From: Erickson, Kevin (DOE) kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better. And then throw
AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet
Yes. Thank you Felix! best viewed works much better. And then throw in
the fact that IE 6 was first release around 2001 and ask them if they
even care if they can see a site in a best viewed fashion. I am
thinking they are not. ;-) j
Thanks. I need to look into it and run a few tests.
I think it may not be a safest approach as I vaguely remember I experienced a
few issue using @import with CSS compression and CSS file merging script.
Script that brings CSS3 selectors for IE such as selectivizr also cannot handle
@import
Sounds like you're going to a lot of effort to make the IE6 experince worse
than it needs to be.
Is this *dis*graceful degradation? ;)
David
On 20/12/2010, at 1:18 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks. I need to look into it and run a few tests.
I think it may not be a safest approach
On 19.12.2010 22:13, David McKinnon wrote:
Sounds like you're going to a lot of effort to make the IE6 experince worse
than it needs to be.
Is this *dis*graceful degradation? ;)
David
As it says in my article: I've restricted disgraceful degradation to
IE6 and older. And, the effort is
tee,
you want this:
http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/universal_internet_explorer_6_css/
it greatly simplifies the layout for IE6.. to just be the straight-up
content.. no layout tricks.
plus decent typography. :)
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 3:59 PM, G.Sørtun gunla...@c2i.net wrote:
On
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has
fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no
special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an
un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off.
Can this
Why go that far? Why not let this browser see the CSS and fail gracefully - or
semi-gracefully as needed (as long as the content and navigation are accessible
so that the site can be navigated and read).
On 18/12/2010, at 10:20 PM, tee wrote:
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6
On 12/18/10 6:20 AM, tee wrote:
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has
fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no
special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an
un-styled page as if the style
Don't have any base, I just think psychologically an un-styled page is better
received than a broken page, and it makes the page loads faster too without
nice transparent background images.
I wouldn't called these two pages failed gracefully. They are semi-broken and
PNG transparent images
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage
has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to
no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has
fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no
special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an
un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off.
Can this
Hi. I think, this example will help you:
!--[if gte IE 6]!--
link rel=stylesheet href=style.css
!--![endif]--
Best,
Anton
2010/12/18 tee weblis...@gmail.com:
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage
has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a
Sorry :)
!--[if gt IE 6]!--
...
of course.
Best,
Anton.
2010/12/18 Anthony Gr. ant.grak...@gmail.com:
Hi. I think, this example will help you:
!--[if gte IE 6]!--
link rel=stylesheet href=style.css
!--![endif]--
Best,
Anton
2010/12/18 tee weblis...@gmail.com:
I am finally to begin
Big companies such as Google and Youtube have had to deal with the IE6
problem on a large scale. Their pages display a warning message to
advise IE6 users that the page may not display correctly, and suggest
upgrading to a more recent browser.
Personally I think it is reasonable to take this
Personally I think it is reasonable to take this approach, given the
age
of IE6 and its declining market share. However I would be interested in
the attitude of other developers.
Imho, we should take care of any layout issue, but not try to get fancy
effects via extra markup, images, filters,
Imho, we should take care of any layout issue, but not try to get fancy
effects via extra markup, images, filters, and other hacks. In short, IE6
should get layout fixes and miss on properties like border-radius,
opacity, etc.
So no need for a specific styles sheet imo.
The reason for
Is there a js file somewhere that would allow me to just insert the following
into my pages:
!--[if lte IE 6]!--
script type=text/javascript src=http://cdn.domain.com/ie6.js;/script
!--![endif]--
It would then pop up a warning to the user (but only once per session) that
their browser was out
The reason for this is twofold though: firstly, you want to coax people off
of IE6.
I don't think that's our job...
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Good points James. When I think about cross-browser compatibility, I try to
keep the following points in mind:
1 - Websites don't have to look the same in each browser. This doesn't mean
that you can ignore how pages render in browsers you don't care about; it means
that if Chrome displays
Also, I forgot to mention - If you are looking to get people to move to a newer
browser, simple implement a small banner, maybe static header or footer, that
recommends some newer browsers.
This can be added into your override CSS file for the outdated browser(s).
Eric Taylor
Elements Aside /
On 2010/12/18 20:33 (GMT-0800) Thierry Koblentz composed:
The reason for this is twofold though: firstly, you want to coax people off of
IE6.
I don't think that's our job...
Who better? Wouldn't you rather IE6/7 disappear sooner than later? You enjoy
the extra effort the too many years
Agreed. Our job is to provide the best web experience the user can have. To do
this, the user will optimally have the most up-to-date browser, as to
experience the latest web technology available.
Eric Taylor
Elements Aside /
http://www.elementsaside.com
On Dec 18, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Felix
On 18 December 2010 22:20, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage
has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to
no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see
an
The reason for this is twofold though: firstly, you want to coax
people off of IE6.
I don't think that's our job...
Who better? Wouldn't you rather IE6/7 disappear sooner than later? You
enjoy
the extra effort the too many years of its massive non-conformity
causes?
Most people who
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