RE: [WSG] px em pt ???
> Which menu are you referring to? I've tried Viev > Text Size > Largest, > but nothing happened. If you need to account for the users base font > size, you must use something other than px. Tools> Internet Options> Accessibility> Ignore font sizes Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] px em pt ???
Mark Stanton wrote: Hey Taco The general idea that we stick to in here is that % or ems are best. This is to work around a "bug" in IE/WIN that prevents px based fonts being resized easily. It is still possible to resize px fonts in IE but you have to dig around in the menu rather than using ctrl+scrolly mouse. Which menu are you referring to? I've tried Viev > Text Size > Largest, but nothing happened. If you need to account for the users base font size, you must use something other than px. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] px em pt ???
Hey Taco In some browsers, yes. For example on a hand held the font size will probably be quite a bit smaller than on a normal desktop. But in terms of the common desktop browsers its ok, there are problems with how %'s cascade in some cases but you can usually fix this up with a bit of tweaking. In general we manage to get a pretty good level of accuracy across the browsers we test in. However it does take more time than using pixel's to get it right. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] px em pt ???
Correct me if I am wrong, but if your working with % percentage, does that mean that in some browsers the font size can be bigger or smaller than intended? Thats what I understoud from the article that Russ send me the link of. -Original Message- From: Mark Stanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2003 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] px em pt ??? Hey Taco The general idea that we stick to in here is that % or ems are best. This is to work around a "bug" in IE/WIN that prevents px based fonts being resized easily. It is still possible to resize px fonts in IE but you have to dig around in the menu rather than using ctrl+scrolly mouse. Perfect case of theoretical accessibility vs. real life accessibility. Using pt for fonts on the web is a mistake. Points are a unit for measuring fonts on paper and do not adapt well to the complexities of screen resolution, etc.. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] px em pt ???
Hey Taco The general idea that we stick to in here is that % or ems are best. This is to work around a "bug" in IE/WIN that prevents px based fonts being resized easily. It is still possible to resize px fonts in IE but you have to dig around in the menu rather than using ctrl+scrolly mouse. Perfect case of theoretical accessibility vs. real life accessibility. Using pt for fonts on the web is a mistake. Points are a unit for measuring fonts on paper and do not adapt well to the complexities of screen resolution, etc.. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] px em pt ???
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/relative/ > (aayyy, my third post today?) > > I'd like to see what all of yours opinion is on what to use for sizes, I have > always been a believer to stick to pixels, because that is the only size that > to me sounds as something that is not platform/OS bound. > > Anyway, I also found the following article to back this up, who wants to break > it down? > > Using CSS (cascading style sheets) makes it easy to specify font sizes, but > before you set a font size you should be aware that it could change the layout > of your site considerably. Different browsers interpret font sizes > differently, so a font that appears readable in Microsoft Internet Explorer > may be smaller when viewed in Netscape. In addition, font sizes on Windows > systems are not always the same as they are on other platforms. Your site may > look great to Windows users, but it may be illegible to those using a Mac. > > There is much controversy in relationship to font-size specifications. Our > advice is the same as the majority of long-time designers. When you specify a > font size, specify it in pixels (px) not points (pt) or em. Using a pt or em > font-size property instead of px allows for your site text to be resized > according to the viewer's system settings. If their system is set to view very > large text, your web site's layout will become distorted and your web site may > be illegible to them. > > Also, be very careful not to set your font-size pixels too small. Some folks > may not be able to read tiny text and adjusting their system text size will > have no effect on your site because your font-size is specified as px. There > truly is a happy medium in any situation and the font-size (ie. 12px) will > vary depending on the font-family (ie. Arial, Times New Roman, etc.) you use. > > Taco Fleur > 07 3535 5072 > Tell me and I will forget > Show me and I will remember > Teach me and I will learn > Thanks Russ --- Russ Weakley Max Design Phone: (02) 9410 2521 Mobile: 0403 433 980 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maxdesign.com.au --- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] px em pt ???
Title: px em pt ??? (aayyy, my third post today?) I'd like to see what all of yours opinion is on what to use for sizes, I have always been a believer to stick to pixels, because that is the only size that to me sounds as something that is not platform/OS bound. Anyway, I also found the following article to back this up, who wants to break it down? Using CSS (cascading style sheets) makes it easy to specify font sizes, but before you set a font size you should be aware that it could change the layout of your site considerably. Different browsers interpret font sizes differently, so a font that appears readable in Microsoft Internet Explorer may be smaller when viewed in Netscape. In addition, font sizes on Windows systems are not always the same as they are on other platforms. Your site may look great to Windows users, but it may be illegible to those using a Mac. There is much controversy in relationship to font-size specifications. Our advice is the same as the majority of long-time designers. When you specify a font size, specify it in pixels (px) not points (pt) or em. Using a pt or em font-size property instead of px allows for your site text to be resized according to the viewer's system settings. If their system is set to view very large text, your web site's layout will become distorted and your web site may be illegible to them. Also, be very careful not to set your font-size pixels too small. Some folks may not be able to read tiny text and adjusting their system text size will have no effect on your site because your font-size is specified as px. There truly is a happy medium in any situation and the font-size (ie. 12px) will vary depending on the font-family (ie. Arial, Times New Roman, etc.) you use. Taco Fleur 07 3535 5072 Tell me and I will forget Show me and I will remember Teach me and I will learn
