Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Sorry, I've been away for a while and lost track of this, thanks to everyone for your comments. I think what you have said is right in that perhaps the intro text doesn't really have any semantic value, so there doesn't need to be any tag to match it. Thanks again for all your replies. On 26/05/07, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 5/26/2007 10:04 AM, Designer wrote: Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? My own preference would be for the latter. Of course, if you are referring to a GROUP of paragraphs constituting the introduction, then Paul's class would have to be used. Yes, either an introduction consisting of multiple paragraphs or multiple introductions on the same page. Since we don't really know the present and future architecture of the site in question, either of those possibilities seems so likely to occur, particularly the former, that painting oneself into a corner with id seems to beg for the busywork of modifying markup stylesheet down the road. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
OK, thanks for your help, I just thought there may be some kind of HTML tag that adds seperate semantic value to the introductory paragraph, to differentiate it from the strong text in the body, like the big tag for example. I will probably use the strong tag then. Cheers Paul On 25/05/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If the choice of the colour orange is to add emphasis to this text, the answer to this part is really a no brainer - code it with emphasis (the actual colour/styling is down to the CSS). I would use strong markup for this. On Fri, May 25, 2007 7:56 pm, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 25 May 2007, at 18:03:06, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just marking up a page, the layout seems to require various tags, as far as I can gather, I need seperate tags for: - The intro heading (a H2) - The orange intro text (not sure what tag to add here) - a smaller, bold heading, same size as body text (probably a h3) - a quote (probably a blockquote tag) My question is, what would be the best semantic tags to use here, that will be picked up by assistive technology and validate for XHTML 1.0 Transitional. In particular, I want to know about the Orange intro text and the quote. Any suggestions would be great, I have posted a JPEG here: http://www.method.com.au/storage/sampleText.gif Assuming the page on which this will appear already has an h1: h2.../h2 p class=introduction.../p h3...h3 p.../p blockquotep.../p/blockquote p.../p and then apply things like the different font sizes weights, colours and spacing with CSS. If there will only ever be one introductory paragraph per page, then you could use p id=introduction instead. HTH, Nick, -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. On 5/26/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, thanks for your help, I just thought there may be some kind of HTML tag that adds seperate semantic value to the introductory paragraph, to differentiate it from the strong text in the body, like the big tag for example. I will probably use the strong tag then. Cheers Paul On 25/05/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If the choice of the colour orange is to add emphasis to this text, the answer to this part is really a no brainer - code it with emphasis (the actual colour/styling is down to the CSS). I would use strong markup for this. On Fri, May 25, 2007 7:56 pm, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 25 May 2007, at 18:03:06, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just marking up a page, the layout seems to require various tags, as far as I can gather, I need seperate tags for: - The intro heading (a H2) - The orange intro text (not sure what tag to add here) - a smaller, bold heading, same size as body text (probably a h3) - a quote (probably a blockquote tag) My question is, what would be the best semantic tags to use here, that will be picked up by assistive technology and validate for XHTML 1.0 Transitional. In particular, I want to know about the Orange intro text and the quote. Any suggestions would be great, I have posted a JPEG here: http://www.method.com.au/storage/sampleText.gif Assuming the page on which this will appear already has an h1: h2.../h2 p class=introduction.../p h3...h3 p.../p blockquotep.../p/blockquote p.../p and then apply things like the different font sizes weights, colours and spacing with CSS. If there will only ever be one introductory paragraph per page, then you could use p id=introduction instead. HTH, Nick, -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
TYPO ALERT! Presentation should be in CSS and Content in HTML. God knows what made me type HTML twice. On 5/26/07, Jamie Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. On 5/26/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, thanks for your help, I just thought there may be some kind of HTML tag that adds seperate semantic value to the introductory paragraph, to differentiate it from the strong text in the body, like the big tag for example. I will probably use the strong tag then. Cheers Paul On 25/05/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If the choice of the colour orange is to add emphasis to this text, the answer to this part is really a no brainer - code it with emphasis (the actual colour/styling is down to the CSS). I would use strong markup for this. On Fri, May 25, 2007 7:56 pm, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 25 May 2007, at 18:03:06, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just marking up a page, the layout seems to require various tags, as far as I can gather, I need seperate tags for: - The intro heading (a H2) - The orange intro text (not sure what tag to add here) - a smaller, bold heading, same size as body text (probably a h3) - a quote (probably a blockquote tag) My question is, what would be the best semantic tags to use here, that will be picked up by assistive technology and validate for XHTML 1.0 Transitional. In particular, I want to know about the Orange intro text and the quote. Any suggestions would be great, I have posted a JPEG here: http://www.method.com.au/storage/sampleText.gif Assuming the page on which this will appear already has an h1: h2.../h2 p class=introduction.../p h3...h3 p.../p blockquotep.../p/blockquote p.../p and then apply things like the different font sizes weights, colours and spacing with CSS. If there will only ever be one introductory paragraph per page, then you could use p id=introduction instead. HTH, Nick, -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. I would argue to the contrary. Strong has much more meaning than a span class. The word /tag itself implies strength of content rather than a default appearance in a bowser, cf with the address tag which indicates an address, even though browser default appearance is italicised. strong and span class=important could both be made to look the same by means of the CSS presentational layer; however only one for them could ever infer meaning to a bot, if it had been programmed to look for specific tags and attempt to infer meaning. That is the strong tag. The class important means nothing other than a nine letter identifier of a class. Web semantics are a case of providing an aid to text retrieval tools to establish original authors meaning rather than provide meaning to a web developer who may need to maintain a class library. -- Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk Linking in with others: http://linkedin.com/in/robkirton On 26/05/07, Jamie Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TYPO ALERT! Presentation should be in CSS and Content in HTML. God knows what made me type HTML twice. On 5/26/07, Jamie Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. On 5/26/07, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, thanks for your help, I just thought there may be some kind of HTML tag that adds seperate semantic value to the introductory paragraph, to differentiate it from the strong text in the body, like the big tag for example. I will probably use the strong tag then. Cheers Paul On 25/05/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, If the choice of the colour orange is to add emphasis to this text, the answer to this part is really a no brainer - code it with emphasis (the actual colour/styling is down to the CSS). I would use strong markup for this. On Fri, May 25, 2007 7:56 pm, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 25 May 2007, at 18:03:06, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just marking up a page, the layout seems to require various tags, as far as I can gather, I need seperate tags for: - The intro heading (a H2) - The orange intro text (not sure what tag to add here) - a smaller, bold heading, same size as body text (probably a h3) - a quote (probably a blockquote tag) My question is, what would be the best semantic tags to use here, that will be picked up by assistive technology and validate for XHTML 1.0 Transitional. In particular, I want to know about the Orange intro text and the quote. Any suggestions would be great, I have posted a JPEG here: http://www.method.com.au/storage/sampleText.gif Assuming the page on which this will appear already has an h1: h2.../h2 p class=introduction.../p h3...h3 p.../p blockquotep.../p/blockquote p.../p and then apply things like the different font sizes weights, colours and spacing with CSS. If there will only ever be one introductory paragraph per page, then you could use p id=introduction instead. HTH, Nick, -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Jamie Collins wrote: Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Aeh...excuse me? Since when? Presentation should be in CSS and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. Sorry, but that's rubbish. If text *needs to be emphasised* you cannot recommend using a semantically neutral element (span) and relying on a class + css. The emphasis needs to be marked up in the actual content, with elements that semantically signify that emphasis. Emphasis changes the meaning of content, so cannot be divorced from content and split out into an optional presentational component like CSS. Now, we could debate whether it should be em or strong (as the difference between the two is minimal, at least in the current HTML spec), but claiming that they're presentational is wrong. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Patrick, It all depends on the person using it. I have seen alot of people use strong to bold general peices of text. There is a big difference in making text bold and empasising its meaning. If the use for stong is a valid use, then i wont disagree. I must have read the first post wrong, i thought thats what he was trying to do. On 5/26/07, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie Collins wrote: Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Aeh...excuse me? Since when? Presentation should be in CSS and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. Sorry, but that's rubbish. If text *needs to be emphasised* you cannot recommend using a semantically neutral element (span) and relying on a class + css. The emphasis needs to be marked up in the actual content, with elements that semantically signify that emphasis. Emphasis changes the meaning of content, so cannot be divorced from content and split out into an optional presentational component like CSS. Now, we could debate whether it should be em or strong (as the difference between the two is minimal, at least in the current HTML spec), but claiming that they're presentational is wrong. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Stay away from Strong. Strong is presentational, same as B, and I. Presentation should be in HTML and content in HTML. use span class=important for text that needs to be emphasised. I would argue to the contrary. Strong has much more meaning than a span class. The word /tag itself implies strength of content rather than a default appearance in a bowser, cf with the address tag which indicates an address, even though browser default appearance is italicised. I would also add that I believe assistive technologies such as screen readers interpret strong where as they would ignore a span. Therefore use of the HTML element strong has semantic meaning which should not be dismissed. -Tim -- Tim Offenstein *** College of Applied Health Sciences *** (217) 244-2700 CITES Departmental Services Web Specialist *** www.uiuc.edu/goto/offenstein *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
At 5/26/2007 05:59 AM, Paul Collins wrote: OK, thanks for your help, I just thought there may be some kind of HTML tag that adds seperate semantic value to the introductory paragraph, to differentiate it from the strong text in the body, like the big tag for example. I will probably use the strong tag then. I think the problem with using strong to demarcate your introduction isn't that strong is presentational (it's not) but rather that it does nothing to express what's different semantically about an introduction. You may wish to present the introductory paragraph in a stronger font than the body of the article, but that's of course a matter of presentation and doesn't belong in the markup. The introductory text itself isn't strongstronger/strong than the article body, is it? It's just the introduction. Since HTML doesn't contain an element that expresses the introductory nature of a text block, I second the motion to use p class=introduction. It correctly marks up the introductory paragraph(s) as paragraphs, identifies them for styling purposes, and indicates to anyone or anything peering under the hood at the HTML what's different about this part of the article. If any more explicit demarcation is felt necessary, I suggest using a subhead hnIntroduction/hn to indicate the nature of the block to follow. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Paul Novitski wrote: I think the problem with using strong to demarcate your introduction isn't that strong is presentational (it's not) but rather that it does nothing to express what's different semantically about an introduction. You may wish to present the introductory paragraph in a stronger font than the body of the article, but that's of course a matter of presentation and doesn't belong in the markup. The introductory text itself isn't strongstronger/strong than the article body, is it? It's just the introduction. Since HTML doesn't contain an element that expresses the introductory nature of a text block, I second the motion to use p class=introduction. It correctly marks up the introductory paragraph(s) as paragraphs, identifies them for styling purposes, and indicates to anyone or anything peering under the hood at the HTML what's different about this part of the article. If any more explicit demarcation is felt necessary, I suggest using a subhead hnIntroduction/hn to indicate the nature of the block to follow. Regards, Paul __ Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? My own preference would be for the latter. Of course, if you are referring to a GROUP of paragraphs constituting the introduction, then Paul's class would have to be used. -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
On 26 May 2007, at 18:04:38, Designer wrote: Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? Using the title attribute means pointing-device-users would get a tooltip saying introduction obscuring the text if they happened to have the cursor hovering over that region. Not good usability, IMHO. I occasionally come across sites that make extensive use of title, and 99 times out of 100 it's more of an impediment than a help. Even the supposed accessibility advantages are open to question: http://juicystudio.com/article/using-title-attribute.php I'd still vote for using a class, or an id if you can be certain it will only appear once a page. If the visual distinction in the required design actually does represent a semantically meaningful distinction between that paragraph and the others, rather than just being window dressing, then a pem... would probably be justifiable; I don't think that going all the way to strong is necessary. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Totally agree. Applying 'title' attributes to block level elements is a nightmare for users of screen magnifiers because they can't figure out how to get rid of the tooltip whilst keeping the content in view. You would be surprised how much of the screen is obscured by a tooltip at magnification levels as low as 4x, given that magnifier users also tend to use 800x600 resolution. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Fitzsimons Sent: 26 May 2007 18:53 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text On 26 May 2007, at 18:04:38, Designer wrote: Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? Using the title attribute means pointing-device-users would get a tooltip saying introduction obscuring the text if they happened to have the cursor hovering over that region. Not good usability, IMHO. I occasionally come across sites that make extensive use of title, and 99 times out of 100 it's more of an impediment than a help. Even the supposed accessibility advantages are open to question: http://juicystudio.com/article/using-title-attribute.php I'd still vote for using a class, or an id if you can be certain it will only appear once a page. If the visual distinction in the required design actually does represent a semantically meaningful distinction between that paragraph and the others, rather than just being window dressing, then a pem... would probably be justifiable; I don't think that going all the way to strong is necessary. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Steve Green wrote: Totally agree. Applying 'title' attributes to block level elements is a nightmare for users of screen magnifiers because they can't figure out how to get rid of the tooltip whilst keeping the content in view. You would be surprised how much of the screen is obscured by a tooltip at magnification levels as low as 4x, given that magnifier users also tend to use 800x600 resolution. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Fitzsimons Sent: 26 May 2007 18:53 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text On 26 May 2007, at 18:04:38, Designer wrote: Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? Using the title attribute means pointing-device-users would get a tooltip saying introduction obscuring the text if they happened to have the cursor hovering over that region. Not good usability, IMHO. I occasionally come across sites that make extensive use of title, and 99 times out of 100 it's more of an impediment than a help. Even the supposed accessibility advantages are open to question: http://juicystudio.com/article/using-title-attribute.php I'd still vote for using a class, or an id if you can be certain it will only appear once a page. If the visual distinction in the required design actually does represent a semantically meaningful distinction between that paragraph and the others, rather than just being window dressing, then a pem... would probably be justifiable; I don't think that going all the way to strong is necessary. Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ Thanks, Yep, fair points. Noted! :-) -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
At 5/26/2007 10:04 AM, Designer wrote: Presumably, p title=introduction and p id=introduction would do the trick also? My own preference would be for the latter. Of course, if you are referring to a GROUP of paragraphs constituting the introduction, then Paul's class would have to be used. Yes, either an introduction consisting of multiple paragraphs or multiple introductions on the same page. Since we don't really know the present and future architecture of the site in question, either of those possibilities seems so likely to occur, particularly the former, that painting oneself into a corner with id seems to beg for the busywork of modifying markup stylesheet down the road. Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Hi all, Just marking up a page, the layout seems to require various tags, as far as I can gather, I need seperate tags for: - The intro heading (a H2) - The orange intro text (not sure what tag to add here) - a smaller, bold heading, same size as body text (probably a h3) - a quote (probably a blockquote tag) My question is, what would be the best semantic tags to use here, that will be picked up by assistive technology and validate for XHTML 1.0 Transitional. In particular, I want to know about the Orange intro text and the quote. Any suggestions would be great, I have posted a JPEG here: http://www.method.com.au/storage/sampleText.gif Cheers Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
On 25 May 2007, at 18:03:06, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just marking up a page, the layout seems to require various tags, as far as I can gather, I need seperate tags for: - The intro heading (a H2) - The orange intro text (not sure what tag to add here) - a smaller, bold heading, same size as body text (probably a h3) - a quote (probably a blockquote tag) My question is, what would be the best semantic tags to use here, that will be picked up by assistive technology and validate for XHTML 1.0 Transitional. In particular, I want to know about the Orange intro text and the quote. Any suggestions would be great, I have posted a JPEG here: http://www.method.com.au/storage/sampleText.gif Assuming the page on which this will appear already has an h1: h2.../h2 p class=introduction.../p h3...h3 p.../p blockquotep.../p/blockquote p.../p and then apply things like the different font sizes weights, colours and spacing with CSS. If there will only ever be one introductory paragraph per page, then you could use p id=introduction instead. HTH, Nick, -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] semantic HTML for intro text
Hi, If the choice of the colour orange is to add emphasis to this text, the answer to this part is really a no brainer - code it with emphasis (the actual colour/styling is down to the CSS). I would use strong markup for this. On Fri, May 25, 2007 7:56 pm, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 25 May 2007, at 18:03:06, Paul Collins wrote: Hi all, Just marking up a page, the layout seems to require various tags, as far as I can gather, I need seperate tags for: - The intro heading (a H2) - The orange intro text (not sure what tag to add here) - a smaller, bold heading, same size as body text (probably a h3) - a quote (probably a blockquote tag) My question is, what would be the best semantic tags to use here, that will be picked up by assistive technology and validate for XHTML 1.0 Transitional. In particular, I want to know about the Orange intro text and the quote. Any suggestions would be great, I have posted a JPEG here: http://www.method.com.au/storage/sampleText.gif Assuming the page on which this will appear already has an h1: h2.../h2 p class=introduction.../p h3...h3 p.../p blockquotep.../p/blockquote p.../p and then apply things like the different font sizes weights, colours and spacing with CSS. If there will only ever be one introductory paragraph per page, then you could use p id=introduction instead. HTH, Nick, -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
