Re: [WSG] using IE7 script
IE7 works very well indeed. The print style sheets problem can be overcome, I believe, but another problem exists - you cannot use a stylesheet switcher because it overrides the CSS that is used to fix IE. Simon Jessey Business Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business Site: http://keystonewebsites.com/ Personal Site: http://jessey.net/ - Original Message - From: Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] using IE7 script One problem we have encountered (which should be resolved in the next version) is it causes problems with your print style sheets. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] using IE7 script
Hi guys, I was just wondering whether any of you have used the Dean Edwards Javascript for IE7 (http://dean.edwards.name/ie7) and what the general opinion on it is? To be honest I am bit hesitant to use it, as I don't want to rely on my users having javascript turned on, but I guess the worst that could happen is for the design in IE not to look 100% okay if JS is turned off. Does anybody have prior experiences with it? Andreas Boehmer User Experience Consultant Phone: (03) 9417 0468 Mobile: (0411) 097 038 http://www.addictiveMedia.com.au Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using IE7 script
I've used IE7 a few times, but mainly just for enabling the :hover psuedo-class on elements other than anchors. I don't really have much of an opinion on it, considering that its stil in Beta (0.7 last time I checked). But as soon as the script supports more exotic CSS, such as attribute selectors and display: table-cell;, I won't be using it as much. Just my $0.02 -David R Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys, I was just wondering whether any of you have used the Dean Edwards Javascript for IE7 (http://dean.edwards.name/ie7) and what the general opinion on it is? To be honest I am bit hesitant to use it, as I don't want to rely on my users having javascript turned on, but I guess the worst that could happen is for the design in IE not to look 100% okay if JS is turned off. Does anybody have prior experiences with it? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using IE7 script
On 16/12/04 10:50 AM, Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't even be relying on my users having IE7, let alone JS being on or off. Hi Natalie, Andreas is not referring to MS's official IE7 here, but an extensive JavaScript solution (confusingly called IE7) that attempts to make IE6 behave in a more standards-compliant manner. See the link that Andreas supplied for more details. -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using IE7 script
I Know - I think everyone missed my second post that states as much :) From: Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:54:13 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] using IE7 script Oh Hang on, I just read the MS forum on the issue. IE7 isn't actually IE7, its a JS. My Badtrade; To quote: Re: Firefox Users IE 7 is coming In: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general As far as I can tell, this isn't an official new browser. It's merely the name of a JavaScript API that reinterprets CSS and fixes it in Internet Explorer 5/6. Thus, you include it on a web-page as a script type=text/javascript src=ie7.js/script - nothing more, nothing less. It's a great idea though, and one that should be given support. After all, if you can fix it in JS, surely MS can fix it in source :) On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:08:32 +1100, Kevin Futter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16/12/04 10:50 AM, Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't even be relying on my users having IE7, let alone JS being on or off. Hi Natalie, Andreas is not referring to MS's official IE7 here, but an extensive JavaScript solution (confusingly called IE7) that attempts to make IE6 behave in a more standards-compliant manner. See the link that Andreas supplied for more details. -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using IE7 script
I wouldn't even be relying on my users having IE7, let alone JS being on or off. On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:41:50 -0800, Andreas Boehmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I was just wondering whether any of you have used the Dean Edwards Javascript for IE7 (http://dean.edwards.name/ie7) and what the general opinion on it is? To be honest I am bit hesitant to use it, as I don't want to rely on my users having javascript turned on, but I guess the worst that could happen is for the design in IE not to look 100% okay if JS is turned off. Does anybody have prior experiences with it? -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using IE7 script
On 16/12/04 11:16 AM, Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Know - I think everyone missed my second post that states as much :) Actually, a little bit OT, but I often receive posts out of order or out of sync, so my post actually went off long before your second post arrived. I think this is why when the list admins scream CLOSED on a thread, messages for that thread can still arrive thereafter - we're not being rebellious, just slow to catch up! -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using IE7 script
Oh Hang on, I just read the MS forum on the issue. IE7 isn't actually IE7, its a JS. My Badtrade; To quote: Re: Firefox Users IE 7 is coming In: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general As far as I can tell, this isn't an official new browser. It's merely the name of a JavaScript API that reinterprets CSS and fixes it in Internet Explorer 5/6. Thus, you include it on a web-page as a script type=text/javascript src=ie7.js/script - nothing more, nothing less. It's a great idea though, and one that should be given support. After all, if you can fix it in JS, surely MS can fix it in source :) On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:50:59 +1100, Natalie Buxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't even be relying on my users having IE7, let alone JS being on or off. On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:41:50 -0800, Andreas Boehmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I was just wondering whether any of you have used the Dean Edwards Javascript for IE7 (http://dean.edwards.name/ie7) and what the general opinion on it is? To be honest I am bit hesitant to use it, as I don't want to rely on my users having javascript turned on, but I guess the worst that could happen is for the design in IE not to look 100% okay if JS is turned off. Does anybody have prior experiences with it? -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] using IE7 script
I did install it briefly to check it out. I think I found it to be slow? I didn't really investigate it. I also think it was an all or nothing solutions? Maybe it wasn't. I would like a version that I could scale to alow do a few small things like sibling selectors and such. I was thinking of writing a slimmed down version but maybe I'll give IE7 a second chance. Ryan Nichols Graphic Design / Web Development Matrixwebs.com 1.800.711.2829 18330 Sutter Blvd. Morgan Hill, CA 95037 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Boehmer Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] using IE7 script Hi guys, I was just wondering whether any of you have used the Dean Edwards Javascript for IE7 (http://dean.edwards.name/ie7) and what the general opinion on it is? To be honest I am bit hesitant to use it, as I don't want to rely on my users having javascript turned on, but I guess the worst that could happen is for the design in IE not to look 100% okay if JS is turned off. Does anybody have prior experiences with it? Andreas Boehmer User Experience Consultant Phone: (03) 9417 0468 Mobile: (0411) 097 038 http://www.addictiveMedia.com.au Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] using IE7 script
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Does anybody have prior experiences with it? We use it for all our sites, and have found it to be excellent. We only load it for IE, so other browsers are not forced to download it, and we have configure Apache to force the browsers to cache the javascript file, so it is only downloaded once. It allows us to develop to standards, get everything looking correct in Firefox, and then be 99% ready for IE. One problem we have encountered (which should be resolved in the next version) is it causes problems with your print style sheets. The fixes are numerous, but a short list of the best are: anything:hover min/max-width/height png transparency parent child - Adrian Lynch ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
