Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Kornel Lesinski
It is expected, but does it belong to HTML? means "header" and is expected to look like a header, even if it is small. What makes h1 look like a header if not for a significantly larger size than everything else? Alignment? Font style? Color? Background? Decoration? Letter spacing? People used to

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Kornel Lesinski
I thought the whole point behind (x)HTML strict was separation of content and presentation. Keeping "align" attributes does not seem to fit in. I think I've found the reason why these properties are kept. There is a fundamental incompatibility of HTML columns model and CSS inheritance: http://l

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Felix Miata
Kornel Lesinski wrote: > > Positioning (presentation) is expected in tables, much like H1 is > > expected to be quite large (presentation). > It is expected, but does it belong to HTML? > means "header" and is expected to look like a header, even if it is > small. What makes h1 look like a he

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Felix Miata
Bert Doorn wrote: > Let me rewrite... "The expected result is readily achievable > with no *align attributes* at all" ... > I thought the whole point behind (x)HTML strict was separation of > content and presentation. Keeping "align" attributes does not > seem to fit in. The question was

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Felix Miata wrote: That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no CSS at all. The few cell alignments that would deviate from the norm in any given table would require no significant difference in file size from those that require CSS classes for the same purpose, and

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Kornel Lesinski
That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no CSS at all. The few cell alignments that would deviate from the norm in any given table would require no significant difference in file size from those that require CSS classes for the same purpose, and the stylesheet itself w

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Felix Miata
Kornel Lesinski wrote: > > Because people expect data cells to be centered under column headings > > and row headings to be left aligned more often than not? > This can be done with CSS. That wasn't my point. The expected result is readily achievable with no CSS at all. The few cell alignments

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread designer
Thanks Bert, Kornel, I read the DTD by downloading the file, loading into FF and viewing the source (IE wouldn't load it :-) Very interesting. As usual, one thing leads to another and I learnt lots of stuff in there. Bert, your reference to www.zvon.org was invaluable! What a source of informa

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Because people expect data cells to be centered under column headings and row headings to be left aligned more often than not? This can be done with CSS. If the alignment is different, will it change the meaning of data? I think not. It's presentational. -- regards, Kornel LesiƄski *

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Felix Miata
Kornel Lesinski wrote: > > http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html indicates that the > > "align" attribute it is *NOT* deprecated for COL, COLGROUP, TBODY, TD, > > TFOOT, TH, THEAD and TR. Neither is valign. > Oh, you're right. I'm surprised. > I thought that simply ALL presenta

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Kornel - you might like to double-check your statement that "It is not valid in XHTML/1.1 or any Strict [X]HTML version." http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html indicates that the "align" attribute it is *NOT* deprecated for COL, COLGROUP, TBODY, TD, TFOOT, TH, THEAD and TR.

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I'm looking for a list of valid attributes which can be used with tables in XHTML strict. Best source would be the actual DTD at the World Wide Web Consortium. However, as that can be a bit hard to read, I recommend you have a look at www.zvon.org - you can use their XHTML reference onlin

Re: [WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread Kornel Lesinski
and got a lot of very unreliable information and not found what I'm looking for. Try the source: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/ XHTML is based on HTML4, so this also applies (note the Deprecated columns!): http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/elements.html http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/

[WSG] valid table tags for xhtml strict

2005-01-20 Thread designer
Hello everyone, Could someone please point me to the information I'm after - I've searched and got a lot of very unreliable information and not found what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a list of valid attributes which can be used with tables in XHTML strict. Dreamweaver is disappointing in thi