Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-24 Thread Angus MacKinnon
I have been following this thread with interest. Some fonts are thicker than others. You have character spaceing. For example, Arial Narrow takes up less room than Arial and Arial black. I have come across some low vision individuals that only rquire thicker fonts and a little more spacing

RE: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-24 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
Angus MacKinnon related: Internet Explorer defaults to a 12 point font and Firefox defaults to a 16 point font. Of course, fonts are adjustable in the browser (with some exceptions for hard coded fonts) so a user's preferences may be an override in many cases. -- I made magic once. Now,

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-23 Thread Paul Novitski
At 6/22/2009 08:49 PM, Felix Miata wrote: To put what you wrote another way, with a font family list such as your example, the visitor is at the designer's mercy to see only the designer's choice of fonts, instead of the visitor's, even if the visitor has spent big money on high quality but

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-23 Thread Paul Novitski
At 6/22/2009 08:49 PM, Felix Miata wrote: To put what you wrote another way, with a font family list such as your example, the visitor is at the designer's mercy to see only the designer's choice of fonts, instead of the visitor's, even if the visitor has spent big money on high quality but

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-23 Thread David Dorward
Paul Novitski wrote: I submit that installing a font on one's computer establishes a concrete desire to view text styled in that font to be displayed in that font. More usually, it establishes that the system administrator for that computer installed a piece of software that came with the

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-23 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
Oh, it doesn't stop with fonts! Some website producers are arrogant enough to force text and images on the visitor instead of allowing them to enjoy the default text and images they have written for their own browser. It's shocking; simply shocking. If people actually wanted to read the text,

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-23 Thread James Ellis
To put what you wrote another way, with a font family list such as your example, the visitor is at the designer's mercy to see only the designer's choice of fonts, Yes, that's the point of typography and meeting the requirements of a client specification. Provided it's readable I don't see

RE: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-23 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
Paul Novitski declared: plain text HTML cannot force fonts on us that we do not choose to see. Hmm... wonder if that explains why WEFT and BITS never quite caught on... ;~) -- The generation that took acid to escape reality is now taking antacid to deal with reality

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-22 Thread Mark Harris
matt andrews wrote: 2009/6/22 Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz The biggest cost I have seen in web design since 1996, when I started, is the perceived need to make the web like the printed page. That, and the desire to make it pixel-identical in multiple browsers. Let the control go to the user,

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-22 Thread Paul Novitski
At 6/22/2009 12:24 AM, matt andrews wrote: 2009/6/22 Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz The biggest cost I have seen in web design since 1996, when I started, is the perceived need to make the web like the printed page. That, and the desire to make it pixel-identical in multiple browsers. Let

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-22 Thread James Ellis
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 04:00:27 pm Mark Harris wrote: Henry Mencia wrote: So you just have serif or sans serif in the font-family? Pretty much, unless a client specifies otherwise (and I'll try to talk them around). The biggest cost I have seen in web design since 1996, when I started, is

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-22 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/06/22 12:58 (GMT+1000) James Ellis composed: Fonts : Nothing to stop anyone from specifying a font list and the generic family at the end of the list. That way you can aim for the font you like best, then the font which most people have (they may be the same) and then less common

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-22 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Felix Miata wrote: On 2009/06/22 12:58 (GMT+1000) James Ellis composed: To put what you wrote another way, with a font family list such as your example, the visitor is at the designer's mercy to see only the designer's choice of fonts, instead of the visitor's, even if the visitor has spent

[WSG] website fonts

2009-06-21 Thread Marvin Hunkin
hi. just looked at my fonts. need the following fonts: arial, helvitica, sans-serif and verdana. do not have these fonts for windows vista. think that was the problem, why not saying the name. can you help? where do i get these free fonts from? cheers Marvin. E-Mail: startrekc...@gmail.com Msn:

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-21 Thread Tim Snadden
On 22/06/2009, at 3:58 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. just looked at my fonts. need the following fonts: arial, helvitica, sans-serif and verdana. do not have these fonts for windows vista. think that was the problem, why not saying the name. can you help? Hi Marvin - I'm going to assume that

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-21 Thread Joshua Street
Adding to what Tim said, It's possible that you're experiencing problems with Helvetica just because of a typo (you had written Helvitica). Also, it does not come with Windows Vista or Microsoft Office. Hope this helps! On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Tim Snadden li...@snadden.com wrote: On

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-21 Thread Mark Harris
Joshua Street wrote: Adding to what Tim said, It's possible that you're experiencing problems with Helvetica just because of a typo (you had written Helvitica). Also, it does not come with Windows Vista or Microsoft Office. However, If your user has it installed and doesn't have Arial

Re: [WSG] website fonts

2009-06-21 Thread Henry Mencia
Mark, So you just have serif or sans serif in the font-family? On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Mark Harris w...@tracs.co.nz wrote: Joshua Street wrote: Adding to what Tim said, It's possible that you're experiencing problems with Helvetica just because of a typo (you had written