Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyer's CSS SCULPTOR put me out o f job?
On Aug 27, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Al Sparber wrote: Both products produce standards-based CSS layouts that work in modern browsers (ours also addresses IE5.0x, too). I can only speak for our product (CSS Layout Magic). It is a rapid deployment (one click) tool that produces a minimally styled, structurally sound layout set up with easy-to-edit faux column images. The idea is that you get a rock-solid structure on which to build and enhance. While Jakob Neilsen might consider it a finished design, we don't :-). You have to have a basic understanding of CSS and markup to use these tools to their full potential, other wise the pages you produce will always look like a rental house with white walls (in this case, a lot of yellow). The faux images approach allows quick customization to easily turn this: http://www.projectseven.com/products/templates/pagepacks/cssmagic/ cssmagic08.htm Thanks all for your feedback. I guess I asked the question incorrectly and the subject line was to draw eyeballs I am afraid. Al, I am not afraid you CSS Layout Magic will put me out of job because I saw some of your customers managed to mess up your layout and I actually helped a few to clean up their messes :) Not saying your extension is not good or not as good as the CSS Sculptor, besides, I am in no position to compare because I never use either of them. What prompted me to ask this question is because, I guess, the impression I got is the way it's being advertised- The ultimate Web standards compliant CSS layout I see so many web designers using CSS without a bit of understanding of semantical and structural markup, and the way I see it, the way they do with the div classes is nothing different than the table layout, so I always thought extension like yours provides a good ground however, exactly like you're saying You have to have a basic understanding of CSS and markup to use these tools to their full potential. Guess it probably just a marketing gimmick to market an extension as The ultimate Web standards compliant CSS layout, but I respect Eric Meyer so much (no he doesn't know my existence) that I want to believe The ultimate Web standards compliant CSS layout is exactly as it advertised, that it really can help many web designers to use the CSS and markup correctly, semantically and structurally. If so, I may even consider to purchase it myself to help enchance my production :) tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyer's CSS SCULPTOR put me out o f job?
From: Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] Al, I am not afraid you CSS Layout Magic will put me out of job because I saw some of your customers managed to mess up your layout and I actually helped a few to clean up their messes :) Why didn't you just say what you meant, then :-) Not saying your extension is not good or not as good as the CSS Sculptor, besides, I am in no position to compare because I never use either of them. What prompted me to ask this question is because, I guess, the impression I got is the way it's being advertised- The ultimate Web standards compliant CSS layout I own both and prefer mine. I believe they prefer theirs. We try not to use words like best and certainly never use ultimate, though definitive is cool so long as someone else is describing your work as such. I see so many web designers using CSS without a bit of understanding of semantical and structural markup, and the way I see it, the way they do with the div classes is nothing different than the table layout, so I always thought extension like yours provides a good ground however, exactly like you're saying You have to have a basic understanding of CSS and markup to use these tools to their full potential. Yeah. Whether you get that info from our free support channels, or from lists like this one, or from people like you, it's the same thing. We make our living selling tools for Dreamweaver users and sometimes we get hammered for it in subtle and not-so-subtle ways... but we are no different from any good web developer, even the ones who assert that everything should be open source and free except for the bills they send their clients. Guess it probably just a marketing gimmick to market an extension as The ultimate Web standards compliant CSS layout, but I respect Eric Meyer so much (no he doesn't know my existence) that I want to believe The ultimate Web standards compliant CSS layout is exactly as it advertised, that it really can help many web designers to use the CSS and markup correctly, semantically and structurally. If so, I may even consider to purchase it myself to help enchance my production :) It is a gimmick, and I do respect Eric too, but sometimes when talent meets marketing hyperbole reigns. I'm old enough to remember when one of my favorite acronyms was still fresh: K.I.S.S. Keep it simple, stupid. Web developers can sometimes over-code and web tool developers sometimes over-program. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] will Eric Meyer's CSS SCULPTOR put me out o f job?
From: Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am just curious, what you do guys think of the dreamweaver extension like this one and the PVll CSS layout Magic, and the Google Blueprint ? Can they take over the carefully crafted CSS and structural markup you deliver to your clients? There first one even take care of IE browsers. Both products produce standards-based CSS layouts that work in modern browsers (ours also addresses IE5.0x, too). I can only speak for our product (CSS Layout Magic). It is a rapid deployment (one click) tool that produces a minimally styled, structurally sound layout set up with easy-to-edit faux column images. The idea is that you get a rock-solid structure on which to build and enhance. While Jakob Neilsen might consider it a finished design, we don't :-). You have to have a basic understanding of CSS and markup to use these tools to their full potential, other wise the pages you produce will always look like a rental house with white walls (in this case, a lot of yellow). The faux images approach allows quick customization to easily turn this: http://www.projectseven.com/products/templates/pagepacks/cssmagic/cssmagic08.htm into this: http://www.projectseven.com/products/templates/pagepacks/cssmagic/tweaks/rounded/fixed/ A little texture, some shadow, and voila, in less than an hour one can have a decent home page comp to show a client. I notice fewer people ask me to do CSS and XHTML templates lately :) If what you mean above is that you are having web designers hire you to do a page structure, then I can see where products like this might have a small impact, but neither of the products is targeted at end users. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***