Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Does that really matter? In Firefox and IE there is a focus border anyway. IE doesn't support :focus or outlines, so there isn't much you can help. In Firefox Cursor-Mode (F7) uses small text-cursor that isn't good for bad sighted people anyway. Opera with spatial navigation always adds

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:09:23 -, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that really matter? In Firefox and IE there is a focus border anyway. IE doesn't support :focus or outlines, so there isn't much you can help. In Firefox Cursor-Mode (F7) uses small text-cursor that

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Where can I read up on these accessibility issues you've outlined? C On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, at 06:09 AM, Kornel Lesinski wrote: Does that really matter? In Firefox and IE there is a focus border anyway. IE doesn't support :focus or outlines, so there isn't much you can help. In

RE: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Kornel Lesinski Does that really matter? In Firefox and IE there is a focus border anyway. Which is not always visible, depending on specific background colour and or background pattern/image IE doesn't support :focus or outlines, so there isn't much you can help. Well,

RE: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Derek Featherstone
On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:09 AM, Kornel Lesinski wrote: Does that really matter? Yes, focus highlighting does matter. I come across this daily -- and I'm a keyboard user by choice... In Firefox and IE there is a focus border anyway. Which isn't exactly prominent - it provides a

RE: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Derek Featherstone
Sorry about that -- it appears that pressing enter while holding down the control key sends the message ( a new keystroke I didn't know about...) Here's the complete message I was trying to send: On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:09 AM, Kornel Lesinski wrote: Does that really matter? Yes,

RE: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Derek Featherstone
On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:19 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: And you can group the above and save yourself repetition. In one of my stylesheets, for instance, I have #navbar li a:focus, #navbar li a:hover, #navbar a:active { background: #fbfbfb; } I seem to recall Tommy talking

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Would you explain the abbreviation IR and what is the name, and where can I read about this rule: a[href]:focus {-moz-outline: 2px solid -moz-mac-focusring;} On Tuesday, November 30, 2004, at 05:38 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: IR techniques. a[href]:focus {-moz-outline: 2px solid

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Terrence Wood
I'm not sure what IR refers to. Here's the the CSS rule explained: a[href]:focus { /* select any anchor with an attribute href that has focus */ -moz-outline: /* mozilla implementation of a non standard, or non ratified CSS property. see below for explantion. Outline creates a border around the

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Terrence Wood
The only problem I'm aware of is that you lose the ability to provide feedback the a link has been activated. If this is important then send IE it's own active rule: * html a:active{} cheers Terrence Wood. On 2004-12-01 4:50 AM, Derek Featherstone wrote: On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:19 AM,

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Kevin Futter
I interpreted 'IR' to stand for 'image replacement', such as FIR and sFIR et al. Cheers, Kevin Futter On 1/12/04 7:50 AM, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure what IR refers to. Here's the the CSS rule explained: snip -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Andrew Krespanis
On Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:19 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: And you can group the above and save yourself repetition. In one of my stylesheets, for instance, I have #navbar li a:focus, #navbar li a:hover, #navbar a:active { background: #fbfbfb; } I seem to recall Tommy

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Andrew Krespanis wrote: The problem with declaring all three in one is that IE 5 (possibly 5.5 also, can't remember which right now) for PC chokes on any declaration that contains :focus. Combining your :active and :focus rules will effectively cancel that entire declaration in dodgy old IE

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Terrence Wood
Same results here for IE (similar set up) on my own test page, and I don't see any bugs in Opera 7PC, 7.5MAC normal and SSR mode. Opera's SSR is pretty aggressive and not many styles (if any) stick, so the lack of :focus support in this mode is to be expected as a feature, not a bug. Terrence

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Hmm...it doesn't seem to affect IE 5 or 5.5 (admittedly using skyx' multiple IE installations on a Win2k machine natively running 6) on www.salford.ac.uk though. Maybe just depends on a variety of factors, not sure... Hmmm indeed ;) When I get home from work I'll find the exact bug and link

RE: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Hill, Tim
] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2004 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04) Andrew Krespanis wrote: The problem with declaring

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Kornel Lesinski
The problem with declaring all three in one is that IE 5 (possibly 5.5 also, can't remember which right now) for PC chokes on any declaration that contains :focus. Combining your :active and :focus rules will effectively cancel that entire declaration in dodgy old IE. oh, dodgy old IE :/ remember

Re: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 1 Dec 2004, at 4:13 am, Chris Kennon wrote: Would you explain the abbreviation IR and what is the name, and where can I read about this rule: a[href]:focus {-moz-outline: 2px solid -moz-mac-focusring;} IR stands for Image Replacement - like the FIR or sFir methods, where CSS (and/or Js) is