Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-20 Thread Tonico Strasser
Peter Firminger schrieb: Yes it's quite legal but it's semantically poor. This is what information architecture is all about. h1 global section (logo, slogan, navigation, search etc.) h1 actual content section h1 optional section one h1 optional section two That is the structure I would like to

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-20 Thread Tonico Strasser
James Ellis schrieb: Hi My thinking is that hN delineates headings of the same semantic weight (or groups content), be they styled by CSS like h4 class=failure/h4 or h4 class=success/h4 or not*: I agree. The difference being that h1 is the highest level of the headings in a document - there

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-20 Thread russ weakley
We could probably argue this back and forward, but I feel very strongly that there should be only one h1 on a page and it should be the page title. I used to think it should be the site name but am moving away from that stance now. To use your example of 2 company founders - there would always

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-20 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Tonico A website is not book. It is different, it is not something you hold in your hands, This very true and sometimes people with print experience still need to grasp it (sorry guys... you know who you are). However the reverse is also true. Programmers think in terms of modules (sections)

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-19 Thread Ian Lloyd
On 19 Mar 2004, at 01:24, Jeremy Flint wrote: I do believe that he said officially, not really speaking for himself, but for the CSS community that supported that method as a whole. It was just a turn of phrase - using the language of specs and such like (and yes he did say those exact words),

RE: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-18 Thread P.H.Lauke
From: Jeremy Flint [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I do believe that he said officially, not really speaking for himself, but for the CSS community that supported that method as a whole. rant Well...I'm part of the CSS community, and I was not consulted on this...so how presumptuous of him to

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-18 Thread russ weakley
Tantek's site is not really his own design. Every few weeks he changes the visual appearance to look like one of the top 100 blogs - to show how their sites could look the same but have sound underlying structure. Can't remember who's visual style he has used at present... Russ Russ I

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-18 Thread Nate Cook
Right now he's working on Doc Searls' Weblog -- doc.weblogs.com. Tantek doesn't have a stylesheet switcher, but the older ones are listed as alternate stylesheets, so if you're using Firefox or something that lets you choose you can look at his previous recodes... Nate On Mar 18, 2004, at

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-17 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 03:35 PM, russ weakley wrote: While using multiple h1's are valid, you should also think about the underlying page structure - and think about how other devices will interpret this structure. Russ Your point is well taken and needs to be implemented more.

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-17 Thread Gyrus
At 07:35 18/03/2004 +1100, you wrote: I've been thinking about a post from a few days ago that has been bothering me. The comments in this post highlight the difference between valid markup and structurally-sound markup: Question: ...you have the headings of these as h1s I'm not sure if you should

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-17 Thread Gyrus
At 07:35 18/03/2004 +1100, you wrote: I've been thinking about a post from a few days ago that has been bothering me. The comments in this post highlight the difference between valid markup and structurally-sound markup: Some more thoughts after a chat with a friend here: - Web pages can

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-17 Thread Ian Main
Sorry OT, but Jeremy is there anywhere I can find the keynotes to this statement. This is pretty big news, we all knew about the problems [http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fir/]but to officially deprecate! So which one [http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/12/12/accessible_i/index.php] do

Re: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-17 Thread russ weakley
There are heaps of images-for-heading options described at this page that get around the problems associated with FIR: http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ The FIR has been on the way out since Joe Clark wrote this: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fir/ The big issue is