Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[David Hucklesby]

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:23:25 -, James Leslie wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way of disabling a font at the browser level, 
> maybe a
> firefox plug-in, to be able to do quick checks on legibility, sizing issues, 
> layout,
> etc.
>

Sorry I am a bit late -- but Opera's web developer toolbar has an 
option under the "Display" menu to change applied fonts to any one of
a dozen or so common fonts.

 

Cordially,
David
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Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[Tony Crockford]

On 29 Nov 2007, at 10:46, James Leslie wrote:


Thanks everyone for your responses to this.

I might give the stylish extension a try or just stick to removing  
them

by hand in the web developer extension.


Sorry, bit late to the party, but FontExplorer X allows you to  
activate and de-activate fonts, might be worth a try, I seem to recall  
having to close and re-open the browser...



http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX?


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RE: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[James Leslie]

Thanks everyone for your responses to this.

I might give the stylish extension a try or just stick to removing them
by hand in the web developer extension.

The font declarations I was looking at have all been sized as
percentages and ems rather than pixels, I was just interested in how
different things might look with the different fonts. Most resizing I
know would be fine with these sites, my concern was largely centred
around some fixed pixel width sidebars with fairly long headings, but I
suspect they'll be ok.

Felix - thanks a lot for the advice and the link to the font page
Interesting how different the font sizes are.

James



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Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[Andrew Cunningham]

We tend to use the Stylish extension internally to provide page or 
domain specific css overrides.


Allows us to use a sites default fonts on Windows Vista and override the 
fonts of the same web service on Windows XP.


For langauge support there are fundamental differences in the 3.0.x and 
5.0.x of the core windows fonts in terms of Unicode ranges supported, 
OpenType features available, etc.


Felix Miata wrote:

On 2007/11/28 18:23 (GMT) James Leslie apparently typed:


I've been looking over some inherited sites and noticed a very common
font-family declaration of "arial, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif". I


Funny you should mention those three:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-comps-verdariahelv


know that arial and verdana are very different in size so thought it
would be good to make sure there are not any problems with one font not
being available, but aside from changing the stylesheet or removing the
font, I don't seem to be able to do this.


I don't think anyone can without changing the stylesheet, but a fairly easy
way to make a temporary change is a toolbox option like Web Developer's "edit
CSS".

Removing and replacing fonts at the system or user level is generally really
clumsy.


Does anyone know if there is a way of disabling a font at the browser
level, maybe a firefox plug-in, to be able to do quick checks on
legibility, sizing issues, layout, etc.


One way is to strip all all font-families from your CSS except for the
generics, serif, sans-serif & monospace. Then you need only change the family
specified as your browser default to see what that particular font works
like. Not specifying families leaves visitors an opportunity to see what they
prefer instead of what you specify, something few web sites do any more.

To make it possibly easier, leave font-families out of your default sheet(s),
and create an alternate stylesheet with nothing but each family you wish to
test with, selectable from every good browser's menu system. They very well
can all be left that way when the site goes public.


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Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[Nick Cowie]

James

I don't think anyone can without changing the stylesheet, but a fairly easy
> way to make a temporary change is a toolbox option like Web Developer's
> "edit
> CSS".


Felix is right the quickest and easiest way to test how different fonts look
on a certain page in your browser is to use Web Developer plugin for FF and
edit the CSS in your browser.  Fast and painless.


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Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/11/28 18:23 (GMT) James Leslie apparently typed:

> I've been looking over some inherited sites and noticed a very common
> font-family declaration of "arial, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif". I

Funny you should mention those three:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-comps-verdariahelv

> know that arial and verdana are very different in size so thought it
> would be good to make sure there are not any problems with one font not
> being available, but aside from changing the stylesheet or removing the
> font, I don't seem to be able to do this.

I don't think anyone can without changing the stylesheet, but a fairly easy
way to make a temporary change is a toolbox option like Web Developer's "edit
CSS".

Removing and replacing fonts at the system or user level is generally really
clumsy.

> Does anyone know if there is a way of disabling a font at the browser
> level, maybe a firefox plug-in, to be able to do quick checks on
> legibility, sizing issues, layout, etc.

One way is to strip all all font-families from your CSS except for the
generics, serif, sans-serif & monospace. Then you need only change the family
specified as your browser default to see what that particular font works
like. Not specifying families leaves visitors an opportunity to see what they
prefer instead of what you specify, something few web sites do any more.

To make it possibly easier, leave font-families out of your default sheet(s),
and create an alternate stylesheet with nothing but each family you wish to
test with, selectable from every good browser's menu system. They very well
can all be left that way when the site goes public.
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Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/11/28 16:55 (GMT-0500) Christian Montoya apparently typed:

> If you use pixels for font-sizing, the text will be the same size
> regardless of which font is used.

Technically that's both true and false. According to the CSS applied to cause
the result, a px is a px is a px, which means 10px Verdana is "the same size
as" 10px Times New Roman. However, the physical size is not always well
represented by the CSS size. Everybody here should know already that 10px
Verdana looks bigger than 10px Times New Roman, but in case anyone's short of
clues on this issue, take a look at the bottom half of
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/auth/Font/fonts-comps-verd-v-times .
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Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/11/29 07:19 (GMT+1000) Adam Martin apparently typed:

> What I do 
> is set a base font size (declared on the body)  of 10px. All other fonts 
> are then set using em - 2em is equal to 20px, 1.3em is 13px etc etc.

For Gecko browser users, that creates an undesirable impact, which is
demonstrated at http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/Clagnut/eonsSS and explained in
more detail at http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_03_04.html
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Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[Christian Montoya]

On Nov 28, 2007 1:23 PM, James Leslie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been looking over some inherited sites and noticed a very common
> font-family declaration of "arial, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif". I know
> that arial and verdana are very different in size so thought it would be
> good to make sure there are not any problems with one font not being
> available, but aside from changing the stylesheet or removing the font, I
> don't seem to be able to do this.

If you use pixels for font-sizing, the text will be the same size
regardless of which font is used.

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Re: [WSG] Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

[Adam Martin]

Hi James,
I am not sure if it is possible to do what you want. However, I am not 
sure if it would achieve much either... as at the end of the day the 
user can control the size of the fonts themselves. You should try and 
ensure that your site "scales" nicely regardless of font size. What I do 
is set a base font size (declared on the body)  of 10px. All other fonts 
are then set using em - 2em is equal to 20px, 1.3em is 13px etc etc.

Cheers
Adam

James Leslie wrote:

Hi,
 
I've been looking over some inherited sites and noticed a very common 
font-family declaration of "arial, verdana, helvetica, sans-serif". I 
know that arial and verdana are very different in size so thought it 
would be good to make sure there are not any problems with one font 
not being available, but aside from changing the stylesheet or 
removing the font, I don't seem to be able to do this.
 
Does anyone know if there is a way of disabling a font at the browser 
level, maybe a firefox plug-in, to be able to do quick checks on 
legibility, sizing issues, layout, etc.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
James


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