Re: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @font-face supported by Firefox 3.1+ (currently beta), Safari 3+, Opera 10+ (currently alpha) and internet explorer 5+ only problem Firefox 3+, Safari 3+, Opera 10+ support raw font formats (OTF, TTF) only IE supports EOT format only Let me just chime in and say that if you ever try to make font embedding actually work, you'll quickly find that it's a pain in the neck and very far from ready for primetime. I recently played with it on a redesign and I quickly found that: - Safari supported it. - Firefox Opera don't support it yet. - Regardless of support, there's still issues with how well the fonts are actually rendered, as well as there's always a lag time between when the document is displayed and when the font is actually rendered, during which you are just looking at blank spaces. - Firefox is still the only browser that supports font-size-adjust, which actually allows you to make all the fonts in your font-family display with the same x-height. - Making EOT files for IE is next to impossible, as the only tool for generating them is not compatible with Windows Vista, or any non-Windows operating systems. - Making an EOT involves scanning a page of content and generating a minimal set of characters glyphs based on that content, meaning that if you add more content later, and suddenly you are using a glyph you were not using before, you have to regenerate the EOT file. Overall, at no point was I convinced that I would be able to use font embedding any time soon, as the current options have too many challenges and drawbacks to make the time investment worthwhile. As far as I'm concerned, it's still a pipe dream, and I doubt it will get any better any time soon, considering how much all the browser makers disagree about the Right Way (tm) to do it. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
Safari and firefox3 support the @font-face attribute. I don't know the status of Opera and IE8. This allows you to put a font file on your server and reference it in the CSS. Ted _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Ducker Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:13 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Downloading Fonts As a general rule you cannot use non-system fonts on the web, as the end user needs to have them installed as well (I think this is what you're asking?). One workaround is to use sIFR ( http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr/ ). Also, here is a list of fonts that are generally considered to be web safe: http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html - James On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Marvin Hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. rebuilding my site. and i have the following fonts in my style sheet. georgia, century school book, courrier, new courrier, comic ms, and others. but i notice, that on my local hard disk, or when i did have it on the web, but closed it for copyright issues. it was only displaying arial. did try searching on google. but found a couple of sites, but did not work. so where can i download fonts for my site? cheers Marvin. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- James Ducker Web Developer (C#, VB, JS, HTML/CSS) http://www.studioj.net.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
Ted Drake Safari and firefox3 support the @font-face attribute. I don't know the status of Opera and IE8. I think current Opera doesn't, but the next version (Opera 10, currently available as alpha) will http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Marvin Hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. rebuilding my site. and i have the following fonts in my style sheet. georgia, century school book, courrier, new courrier, comic ms, and others. but i notice, that on my local hard disk, or when i did have it on the web, but closed it for copyright issues. it was only displaying arial. did try searching on google. but found a couple of sites, but did not work. so where can i download fonts for my site? On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:12:36 +1100, James Ducker replied: As a general rule you cannot use non-system fonts on the web, as the end user needs to have them installed as well (I think this is what you're asking?). One workaround is to use sIFR ( http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr/ ). Also, here is a list of fonts that are generally considered to be web safe: http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html Umm. Most of the fonts Marvin lists are available on most computers. I think he is saying that he does not have them on *his* computer, so wants to download them so he can see how each affects his design. I am on Mac, and would like to install some Windows-only fonts for myself. Anyone? Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Marvin Hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. rebuilding my site. and i have the following fonts in my style sheet. georgia, century school book, courrier, new courrier, comic ms, and others. but i notice, that on my local hard disk, or when i did have it on the web, but closed it for copyright issues. it was only displaying arial. did try searching on google. but found a couple of sites, but did not work. so where can i download fonts for my site? On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:12:36 +1100, James Ducker replied: As a general rule you cannot use non-system fonts on the web, as the end user needs to have them installed as well (I think this is what you're asking?). One workaround is to use sIFR ( http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr/ ). Also, here is a list of fonts that are generally considered to be web safe: http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html Umm. Most of the fonts Marvin lists are available on most computers. I think he is saying that he does not have them on *his* computer, so wants to download them so he can see how each affects his design. I am on Mac, and would like to install some Windows-only fonts for myself. Anyone? Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
macs can run windows fonts as well. There may be conflicts though if you run the same font from both os's simultaneously though. but loading fonts can be a resource burden as they all load into RAM at startup. I recommend the excellent and free Linotype http://www.linotype.com/fontexplorerX Font ExplorerX to open and close fonts as required. Like iTunes for fonts. Also available for windows users. On 09/12/2008, at 07:33 , David Hucklesby wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Marvin Hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. rebuilding my site. and i have the following fonts in my style sheet. georgia, century school book, courrier, new courrier, comic ms, and others. but i notice, that on my local hard disk, or when i did have it on the web, but closed it for copyright issues. it was only displaying arial. did try searching on google. but found a couple of sites, but did not work. so where can i download fonts for my site? On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:12:36 +1100, James Ducker replied: As a general rule you cannot use non-system fonts on the web, as the end user needs to have them installed as well (I think this is what you're asking?). One workaround is to use sIFR ( http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr/ ). Also, here is a list of fonts that are generally considered to be web safe: http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html Umm. Most of the fonts Marvin lists are available on most computers. I think he is saying that he does not have them on *his* computer, so wants to download them so he can see how each affects his design. I am on Mac, and would like to install some Windows-only fonts for myself. Anyone? Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)434 047 804 http://www.typingthevoid.com http://twitter.com/wheelyweb http://www.linkedin.com/in/jortenzi Skype:wheelyweb *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:33 -0800, David Hucklesby wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Marvin Hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. rebuilding my site. and i have the following fonts in my style sheet. georgia, century school book, courrier, new courrier, comic ms, and others. but i notice, that on my local hard disk, or when i did have it on the web, but closed it for copyright issues. it was only displaying arial. did try searching on google. but found a couple of sites, but did not work. so where can i download fonts for my site? On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:12:36 +1100, James Ducker replied: As a general rule you cannot use non-system fonts on the web, as the end user needs to have them installed as well (I think this is what you're asking?). One workaround is to use sIFR ( http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr/ ). Also, here is a list of fonts that are generally considered to be web safe: http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html Umm. Most of the fonts Marvin lists are available on most computers. I think he is saying that he does not have them on *his* computer, so wants to download them so he can see how each affects his design. I am on Mac, and would like to install some Windows-only fonts for myself. Anyone? I originally replied to Marvin offlist, but I will post a modified version of my response here as others seem interested in it. To get the standard Windows fonts, you need to grab them from sourceforge using the following instructions. Just append the filename to the end of the URL listed below, here is the list of files. andale32.exe arialb32.exe arial32.exe comic32.exe courie32.exe georgi32.exe georgi32.exe impact32.exe times32.exe trebuc32.exe verdan32.exe webdin32.exe URL: http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/ So for Arial you would use http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/arialb32.exe The .exe file are windows cabinets. Top extract the on a mac try http://cabextract.darwinports.com/ . Note: I don't own a mac, but if you send me one I will happily test this on it :) You might also want to install the Liberation fonts https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts/ which ship with most modern Linux distros and are released under the terms of the GPL (with an exemption which stops working using the fonts becoming subject to the GPL). Cheers Dave *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
Just remember these are older versions of the fonts and will have different character repertoires and differences in the OpenType tables. But then again Vista and XP use different versions of the core fonts as well. On Tue, December 9, 2008 8:25 am, Dave Hall wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:33 -0800, David Hucklesby wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Marvin Hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. rebuilding my site. and i have the following fonts in my style sheet. georgia, century school book, courrier, new courrier, comic ms, and others. but i notice, that on my local hard disk, or when i did have it on the web, but closed it for copyright issues. it was only displaying arial. did try searching on google. but found a couple of sites, but did not work. so where can i download fonts for my site? On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:12:36 +1100, James Ducker replied: As a general rule you cannot use non-system fonts on the web, as the end user needs to have them installed as well (I think this is what you're asking?). One workaround is to use sIFR ( http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/sifr/ ). Also, here is a list of fonts that are generally considered to be web safe: http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html Umm. Most of the fonts Marvin lists are available on most computers. I think he is saying that he does not have them on *his* computer, so wants to download them so he can see how each affects his design. I am on Mac, and would like to install some Windows-only fonts for myself. Anyone? I originally replied to Marvin offlist, but I will post a modified version of my response here as others seem interested in it. To get the standard Windows fonts, you need to grab them from sourceforge using the following instructions. Just append the filename to the end of the URL listed below, here is the list of files. andale32.exe arialb32.exe arial32.exe comic32.exe courie32.exe georgi32.exe georgi32.exe impact32.exe times32.exe trebuc32.exe verdan32.exe webdin32.exe URL: http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/ So for Arial you would use http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/arialb32.exe The .exe file are windows cabinets. Top extract the on a mac try http://cabextract.darwinports.com/ . Note: I don't own a mac, but if you send me one I will happily test this on it :) You might also want to install the Liberation fonts https://fedorahosted.org/liberation-fonts/ which ship with most modern Linux distros and are released under the terms of the GPL (with an exemption which stops working using the fonts becoming subject to the GPL). Cheers Dave *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator Vicnet State Library of Victoria Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Downloading Fonts
@font-face supported by Firefox 3.1+ (currently beta), Safari 3+, Opera 10+ (currently alpha) and internet explorer 5+ only problem Firefox 3+, Safari 3+, Opera 10+ support raw font formats (OTF, TTF) only IE supports EOT format only Suggested reading (and tutorial) http://jontangerine.com/log/2008/10/font-face-in-ie-making-web-fonts-work The history of EOT and why (by Bert Bos good read) http://www.w3.org/Fonts/Misc/eot-report-2008 Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
