Re: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover
James Leslie wrote: You could try using a plug-in such as HTML validator for Firefox that will put a little icon on the bottom right of your firefox browser to show you if a page is valid or not and it will show you errors too. It uses the HTML tidy software http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ Tidy can be run on the command line too ... nice and easy - no install hassles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover
It's a bit pedantic, but it's actually IE that has this wrong. Since
Firefox's ecmascript implementation is the basis for the ecmascript
standard- any deviation from firefox that IE exhibits is by definition
breaking the standard. Cute eh?
On Nov 22, 2007 10:12 AM, Karl Lurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Firefox is also a little naughty when it comes to Javascript parsing.
A friend of mine pointed out how he always gets caught out when
declaring objects in JSON:
var JsonObject{
objectFunction:function() {
// blah
}, // extra comma here...
}
Firefox will happily parse this object without complaint, while IE
will throw a syntax error. The syntax error may rear its head in
firefox if you minify your Javascript. All of a sudden, your
once-working Javascript will start to fail in Firefox too...
Karl
On Nov 22, 2007 5:22 AM, Kurt Lovelace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James' advice is it -- there are gobs of plug-ins for FireFox.
There are plug-ins to not only validate HTML but whole singular
toolkits for working with the entire plethora of site spewage:
cookies, CSS, images, links, Id tags, div orders, stack levels,
anchors, block sizes, frames, headers, deprecated elements, feed
validation, section 508 validation, Dom inspectors, speed reports, etc
cetera.
One FireFix plug-in does it all: Web Developer by Chris Pederick
located at
Http://www.chrispederick.com/work/web-developer
Is the über-plugin you are wanting.
I routinely use it to deconstruct sites and quickly resolve issues.
Regarding closed tags...not all need closing. Let not my comment start
a spec war discussion please.
The Best,
-=KuRt=-
Kurt Lovelace
MindRoot Media Inc
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 21, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I build websites on a Mac and have to check my websites on another
machine in order to view them in IE.
I experience the usual issues with IE applying css differently than
Firefox but my biggest frustrations, lately, have come from errors
in my html that Firefox has happily ignored but IE has faithfully
shown up.
Its traditional to knock IE6 for its non-compliance but its done a
good job of validating my html lately.
I would like to get my Firefox to toughen up and show up errors in
the html without having to submit it to a validator?
The problem usually comes from missing closing tags.
Kind Regards
--
Chris Price
Choctaw
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Tel. 01524 825 245
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Re: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover
I would begin by installing Firebug and Yslow extensions in FF. There's also a HTML validator based on Tidy that could be handy, but you get the same level of validation w/ Firebug so no need to install both (although I happen to have). Other extensions worth having: Web developer Toolbar. I think there's also a IE version. /lmss 2007/11/21, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I build websites on a Mac and have to check my websites on another machine in order to view them in IE. I experience the usual issues with IE applying css differently than Firefox but my biggest frustrations, lately, have come from errors in my html that Firefox has happily ignored but IE has faithfully shown up. Its traditional to knock IE6 for its non-compliance but its done a good job of validating my html lately. I would like to get my Firefox to toughen up and show up errors in the html without having to submit it to a validator? The problem usually comes from missing closing tags. Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB United Kingdom *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover
Hi Chris, That seems like an odd scenario to me, firefox is pretty tight compared to IE I thought, but I'll take your word for it :-) You could try using a plug-in such as HTML validator for Firefox that will put a little icon on the bottom right of your firefox browser to show you if a page is valid or not and it will show you errors too. It uses the HTML tidy software http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ Hope that helps James -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Price Sent: 21 November 2007 15:54 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover I build websites on a Mac and have to check my websites on another machine in order to view them in IE. I experience the usual issues with IE applying css differently than Firefox but my biggest frustrations, lately, have come from errors in my html that Firefox has happily ignored but IE has faithfully shown up. Its traditional to knock IE6 for its non-compliance but its done a good job of validating my html lately. I would like to get my Firefox to toughen up and show up errors in the html without having to submit it to a validator? The problem usually comes from missing closing tags. Kind Regards -- Chris Price *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover
James Leslie wrote: You could try using a plug-in such as HTML validator for Firefox that will put a little icon on the bottom right of your firefox browser to show you if a page is valid or not and it will show you errors too. It uses the HTML tidy software http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ Hope that helps Thanks James. That's really useful. Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB United Kingdom *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover
Chris Price wrote: I build websites on a Mac and have to check my websites on another machine in order to view them in IE. I experience the usual issues with IE applying css differently than Firefox but my biggest frustrations, lately, have come from errors in my html that Firefox has happily ignored but IE has faithfully shown up. Its traditional to knock IE6 for its non-compliance but its done a good job of validating my html lately. I would like to get my Firefox to toughen up and show up errors in the html without having to submit it to a validator? The problem usually comes from missing closing tags. Kind Regards Code to the latest version of Mac/Opera. Validate. Firefox will follow suit. Make /frequent/ pit-stops to our good friends IE6 7. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover
James' advice is it -- there are gobs of plug-ins for FireFox. There are plug-ins to not only validate HTML but whole singular toolkits for working with the entire plethora of site spewage: cookies, CSS, images, links, Id tags, div orders, stack levels, anchors, block sizes, frames, headers, deprecated elements, feed validation, section 508 validation, Dom inspectors, speed reports, etc cetera. One FireFix plug-in does it all: Web Developer by Chris Pederick located at Http://www.chrispederick.com/work/web-developer Is the über-plugin you are wanting. I routinely use it to deconstruct sites and quickly resolve issues. Regarding closed tags...not all need closing. Let not my comment start a spec war discussion please. The Best, -=KuRt=- Kurt Lovelace MindRoot Media Inc Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I build websites on a Mac and have to check my websites on another machine in order to view them in IE. I experience the usual issues with IE applying css differently than Firefox but my biggest frustrations, lately, have come from errors in my html that Firefox has happily ignored but IE has faithfully shown up. Its traditional to knock IE6 for its non-compliance but its done a good job of validating my html lately. I would like to get my Firefox to toughen up and show up errors in the html without having to submit it to a validator? The problem usually comes from missing closing tags. Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB United Kingdom *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox is a pushover
Firefox is also a little naughty when it comes to Javascript parsing.
A friend of mine pointed out how he always gets caught out when
declaring objects in JSON:
var JsonObject{
objectFunction:function() {
// blah
}, // extra comma here...
}
Firefox will happily parse this object without complaint, while IE
will throw a syntax error. The syntax error may rear its head in
firefox if you minify your Javascript. All of a sudden, your
once-working Javascript will start to fail in Firefox too...
Karl
On Nov 22, 2007 5:22 AM, Kurt Lovelace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
James' advice is it -- there are gobs of plug-ins for FireFox.
There are plug-ins to not only validate HTML but whole singular
toolkits for working with the entire plethora of site spewage:
cookies, CSS, images, links, Id tags, div orders, stack levels,
anchors, block sizes, frames, headers, deprecated elements, feed
validation, section 508 validation, Dom inspectors, speed reports, etc
cetera.
One FireFix plug-in does it all: Web Developer by Chris Pederick
located at
Http://www.chrispederick.com/work/web-developer
Is the über-plugin you are wanting.
I routinely use it to deconstruct sites and quickly resolve issues.
Regarding closed tags...not all need closing. Let not my comment start
a spec war discussion please.
The Best,
-=KuRt=-
Kurt Lovelace
MindRoot Media Inc
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 21, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Chris Price [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I build websites on a Mac and have to check my websites on another
machine in order to view them in IE.
I experience the usual issues with IE applying css differently than
Firefox but my biggest frustrations, lately, have come from errors
in my html that Firefox has happily ignored but IE has faithfully
shown up.
Its traditional to knock IE6 for its non-compliance but its done a
good job of validating my html lately.
I would like to get my Firefox to toughen up and show up errors in
the html without having to submit it to a validator?
The problem usually comes from missing closing tags.
Kind Regards
--
Chris Price
Choctaw
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.choctaw.co.uk
Tel. 01524 825 245
Mob. 0777 451 4488
Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder
while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional
~~~
-+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+-
~~~
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registered in England and Wales
with company number 04627649
Registered Office:
Lonsdale Partners,
Priory Close,
St Mary's Gate,
Lancaster LA1 1XB
United Kingdom
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