Re: [WSG] Form editor that doesn't use tables for layout

[Eric Smith]

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 23:43:22 -0500, heretic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Hi,

I've recently put online a free visual form editor that allows the  
creation

of html forms without using tables for layout and I'd appreciate any
suggestions for the editor and the html/css code it generates.


Once I had added a couple of items it wasn't clear to click to the
next tab to view it. I would add a standing item on the left somewhere
"See how it looks"; and on the presentation tab "Edit this form". Just
to make it clear how to move between them.

I'd change "show table" to "show list of form items" or something. I
was wondering why we're suddenly making a  :)

I'd consider doing a show/hide of the advanced features like taborder
that the average user shouldn't worry about (better to have a natural
flow than a half-set order..). Just default to the minimum required to
generate an accessible form, with a "show full options" or something
like that.

Also; by default I'd suggest using widths in % rather than px.

Finally... how do you get the code? I was looking for something like
"get the HTML", or "export markup" or something. So I haven't really
reviewed markup/css it generates.

Hope that helps :)

h



- Good suggestion about the navigation needing to be more clear and the  
'minimum required' options.
- To the far left of the presentation tab (under the preview area),  
there's a link to 'View Form' but, now that I look at it, it's difficult  
to tell it's a link...


Using widths in % is a problem.  I tried adding & and em into the mix but  
I couldn't find a way to float that many elements in such close proximity  
(especially when the layout had several columns/rows) without defining  
absolute units for their sizes.


I appreciate you taking the time to give me such detailed feedback!

Eric


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Re: [WSG] Form editor that doesn't use tables for layout

[heretic]

Hi,

> I've recently put online a free visual form editor that allows the creation
> of html forms without using tables for layout and I'd appreciate any
> suggestions for the editor and the html/css code it generates.

Once I had added a couple of items it wasn't clear to click to the
next tab to view it. I would add a standing item on the left somewhere
"See how it looks"; and on the presentation tab "Edit this form". Just
to make it clear how to move between them.

I'd change "show table" to "show list of form items" or something. I
was wondering why we're suddenly making a  :)

I'd consider doing a show/hide of the advanced features like taborder
that the average user shouldn't worry about (better to have a natural
flow than a half-set order..). Just default to the minimum required to
generate an accessible form, with a "show full options" or something
like that.

Also; by default I'd suggest using widths in % rather than px.

Finally... how do you get the code? I was looking for something like
"get the HTML", or "export markup" or something. So I haven't really
reviewed markup/css it generates.

Hope that helps :)

h

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Re: [WSG] Form editor that doesn't use tables for layout

[Eric Smith]

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 22:51:25 -0500, Paul Bennett  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On this page:
http://www.formarchitect.com/content/index.php
It took me about 5 minutes to figure out I had to click 'Create Form'  
after I'd just clicked 'Start New Form' - that part is not clear or  
user-friendly
Also the google ads under your main tabs are misleading - it looks like  
they are sub-pages of the correct tab and people like me are likely to  
hit them by accident thinking they're going to a page *on your site*

Paul




Both good points and both fixed.
Thanks Paul

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RE: [WSG] Form editor that doesn't use tables for layout

[Paul Bennett]

On this page:
http://www.formarchitect.com/content/index.php
 
It took me about 5 minutes to figure out I had to click 
'Create Form' after I'd just clicked 'Start New Form' - that part is not clear 
or user-friendly
 
Also the google ads under your main tabs are misleading - 
it looks like they are sub-pages of the correct tab and people like me are 
likely to hit them by accident thinking they're going to a page *on your 
site*
 
Paul


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tables for layout
Hello all,I've recently put online a free visual form editor 
that allows the creation of html forms without using tables for layout and I'd 
appreciate any suggestions for the editor and the html/css code it 
generates.  My aim is to show that css layout is more than capable 
of replicating any table based form layout, and my hope is that the editor 
(always free and publicly available) makes creating and editing the layout quick 
and easy. The site is http://www.formarchitect.comThanks,Eric