Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity
I read a book by Christian Heilmann on beginning javascript, I would rate him as a guru Also I would give a shout out to dan webb, also the guy from quirks mode (Sorry whoever you are) Both from what I know are big pushers of unobtrusive javascript and more up to date methodology Cheers, Cameron Singe [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 6/19/07, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all! Who, in your opinion, are the 5 best JavaScript gurus? This is a question that might seem silly, but there is actually a great deal of thought behind it. I am working on a paper at university level, that intends to describe the benefits of unobtrusive DOM-scripting, compared to old school inaccessible DHTML or badly written AJAX apps. I intend use arguments such as the leading experts say... and the most esteemed writers - such as N.N. and N.N. - argue that... A guru would be someone that has consistently lead the way through developing ground-breaking patterns and/or top notch apps and who has written about it in books and/or on the web. Someone who is regarded as a master by his (or her) peers. Some geniuses may be working in obscurity - so this is not a a competition as to who is the best developer. And yes, I realize that all answers will be subjective and IMHO... I will kick off this discussion with my list: 1. Brendan Eich - he invented the language and leads it's continual development into JS 2. Hard to ignore. 2. Douglas Crockford. JSLint, JSMin, JSON; inheritance, public/private/privileged methods... and a superb lecturer. 3. David Flanagan. Only author recommended by DC! At least until recently. But the Rhino book is still the seminal work on JS - right? 4. Dean Edwards. Inventor of numerous genial projects (Base, CSSQuery, Packer...) Nice blog that is always a learning experience to read. He tends to be read by many pros. 5. PPK. He has been running quirksmode fore quite some time now. Main author of WASP's JavaScript Manifesto. Author of the best JS book from a pedagogic POV. Apologies to anyone not on my list... @listdad: If this is off-topic, please say so. @rest: If this discussion is considered OT, you may answer me in private. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity
Cameron Singe wrote: I read a book by Christian Heilmann on beginning javascript, I would rate him as a guru Definitely. FYI Lars, http://domscripting.com/ is Christian's hub site. Jeremy Keith should also be above most of these people as popular and populist (just under PPK, possibly) - http://adactio.com/articles/. And seeing as we might as well get back on topic, PPK and Christian Heilmann are brilliant standards advocates and accessibility gurus as well. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity
I'd like to add Gez Lemon to the list please. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Carroll Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2007 12:48 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity Cameron Singe wrote: I read a book by Christian Heilmann on beginning javascript, I would rate him as a guru Definitely. FYI Lars, http://domscripting.com/ is Christian's hub site. Jeremy Keith should also be above most of these people as popular and populist (just under PPK, possibly) - http://adactio.com/articles/. And seeing as we might as well get back on topic, PPK and Christian Heilmann are brilliant standards advocates and accessibility gurus as well. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity
On 19/06/07, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Definitely. FYI Lars, http://domscripting.com/ is Christian's hub site. No, Dom Scripting is the site for Jeremy Keith's book for JavaScript beginners. Christian's site is http://www.wait-til-i.com/ Jeremy Keith should also be above most of these people as popular and populist (just under PPK, possibly) - http://adactio.com/articles/. In terms of cutting edge work, I wouldn't list Jeremy, personally - Dean Edwards, definitely, Crockford, maybe PPK, John Resig (jQuery inventor), probably people like Dojo's Alex or Prototype's Stephen. Matthew. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity
Peter Paul Koch (as suggested) Dean Edwards (as suggested) Valerio Proietti: www.mootools.com James Edwards: www.brothercake.com On 19 Jun 2007, at 11:43, Keryx Web wrote: Hello all! Who, in your opinion, are the 5 best JavaScript gurus? This is a question that might seem silly, but there is actually a great deal of thought behind it. I am working on a paper at university level, that intends to describe the benefits of unobtrusive DOM-scripting, compared to old school inaccessible DHTML or badly written AJAX apps. I intend use arguments such as the leading experts say... and the most esteemed writers - such as N.N. and N.N. - argue that... A guru would be someone that has consistently lead the way through developing ground-breaking patterns and/or top notch apps and who has written about it in books and/or on the web. Someone who is regarded as a master by his (or her) peers. Some geniuses may be working in obscurity - so this is not a a competition as to who is the best developer. And yes, I realize that all answers will be subjective and IMHO... I will kick off this discussion with my list: 1. Brendan Eich - he invented the language and leads it's continual development into JS 2. Hard to ignore. 2. Douglas Crockford. JSLint, JSMin, JSON; inheritance, public/ private/privileged methods... and a superb lecturer. 3. David Flanagan. Only author recommended by DC! At least until recently. But the Rhino book is still the seminal work on JS - right? 4. Dean Edwards. Inventor of numerous genial projects (Base, CSSQuery, Packer...) Nice blog that is always a learning experience to read. He tends to be read by many pros. 5. PPK. He has been running quirksmode fore quite some time now. Main author of WASP's JavaScript Manifesto. Author of the best JS book from a pedagogic POV. Apologies to anyone not on my list... @listdad: If this is off-topic, please say so. @rest: If this discussion is considered OT, you may answer me in private. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity
Lars Your problem is going to be to get what are deemed good academic sources. As you will already know academic publications and conference papers will carry greater weight than books, especially those not peer reviewed and published as an academic work. It's who your tutor / prof is going to rate as a guru; sad as that may seem. The names mentioned are good in their field and have written books, however you may have been going more down the correct path with your original list. Find good conference papers if you can -- Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk Linking in with others: http://linkedin.com/in/robkirton On 19/06/07, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to add Gez Lemon to the list please. Kind regards, Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Carroll Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2007 12:48 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity Cameron Singe wrote: I read a book by Christian Heilmann on beginning javascript, I would rate him as a guru Definitely. FYI Lars, http://domscripting.com/ is Christian's hub site. Jeremy Keith should also be above most of these people as popular and populist (just under PPK, possibly) - http://adactio.com/articles/. And seeing as we might as well get back on topic, PPK and Christian Heilmann are brilliant standards advocates and accessibility gurus as well. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] JavaScript gurus - exercise in vanity
On 19/6/07 9:27 PM, Rob Kirton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lars Your problem is going to be to get what are deemed good academic sources. As you will already know academic publications and conference papers will carry greater weight than books, especially those not peer reviewed and published as an academic work. It's who your tutor / prof is going to rate as a guru; sad as that may seem. The names mentioned are good in their field and have written books, however you may have been going more down the correct path with your original list. Find good conference papers if you can No one¹s mentioned John Resig, developer of JQuery? -- Kevin Futter Webmaster, St. Bernard's College http://www.sbc.melb.catholic.edu.au/ # This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal # This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential. You must not disclose or use the information in this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately and delete the e-mail and all copies. The College does not guarantee that this e-mail is virus or error free. The attached files are provided and may only be used on the basis that the user assumes all responsibility for any loss, damage or consequence resulting directly or indirectly from the use of the attached files, whether caused by the negligence of the sender or not. The content and opinions in this e-mail are not necessarily those of the College. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
