Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly
Agree with Keryx very much regarding Sitepoint books. Sitepoint is one of my commonly used references. If you are looking to gain an excellent understanding of javascript and how it interprets the DOM, I would recommend Simply Javascript at http://www.sitepoint.com/books/javascript1/?SID=fd6872659b8d4823a0eb3ce170479b37 . It starts from the very beginning and rapidly takes you through the process. I believe gaining the basic javascript understanding would provide excellent benefits before jumping right into a framework. Similar to learning how to write solid HTML/CSS before attempting to use DW or some other visual tool. Wynne Hunkler Usability Evangelist Wynnefields Creative ( (817) 605-1012 Office | ( (817) 915-9427 Cell | ( (817) 605-1012 Fax *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly
Simon wrote: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting which teaches just that but it only goes so far. Everywhere else I look seems to have all the old school techniques which I want to shy away from. Does anyone have any resources? Bulletproof Ajax by Jeremy Keith. When you say it 'only goes so far', what is it that you want to know but are not fining in DOM Scripting? I recommend caution when using Javascript: You have to remember not only is it yet another thing to download, which is an issue in terms of speed (extra HTTP calls and file size - download time) but it can also hamper accessibility (although not necessarily) and slow the browser down. Note www.realestate.com.au on Safari on a mobile device (either iPod Touch or iPhone). Far too heavy on the Javascript and ruins the site really. If they took back the Javascript and made the site lighter, it would run smoothly on these mobile devices. You need to really justify each bit of Javascript. Library are all well and good, but again, are something extra to download, and sometimes at 100KB, can you really justify it? It's a trade-off on what you want to do and how useful it is, but put the user first - is it in their interest? Kat (Who recommends caution in most areas) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I think that is going to depend a lot on what you are trying to do with your JS knowledge: are we talking about animation, AJAX or something entirely different? Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Sent: 18 September 2008 16:02 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting which teaches just that but it only goes so far. Everywhere else I look seems to have all the old school techniques which I want to shy away from. Does anyone have any resources? Thanks so much Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Well I could suggest AdvancED DOM Scripting but I'm a little biased since I wrote it :) -- Jeffrey Sambells PHP5 Zend Certified Engineer On 18-Sep-08, at 11:01 AM, Simon wrote: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting which teaches just that but it only goes so far. Everywhere else I look seems to have all the old school techniques which I want to shy away from. Does anyone have any resources? Thanks so much Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Simon, Get into jQuery man. Plain old javascript just doesn't cut it. Best library I have used. Bit of a learning curve but well worth getting your head around. Have fun: http://jquery.com/ Regards Aubrey Simon wrote: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting which teaches just that but it only goes so far. Everywhere else I look seems to have all the old school techniques which I want to shy away from. Does anyone have any resources? Thanks so much Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Aubrey Morrell n:Morrell;Aubrey org:ambiguousmoose adr:Beverley;;28 Mace View;;East Yorkshire;HU17 8YP;England email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;home:01482 880021 tel;cell:07952 314 823 url:www.ambiguousmoose.co.uk version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly
I've been trying to convince people here at work to use JQuery for UI, but most are reluctant, because it's a framework. Any good arguments of Why it is still OK to use JQuery? Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] (513) 595 -2391 Aubrey Morrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/18/2008 12:04 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Simon, Get into jQuery man. Plain old javascript just doesn't cut it. Best library I have used. Bit of a learning curve but well worth getting your head around. Have fun: http://jquery.com/ Regards Aubrey Simon wrote: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting which teaches just that but it only goes so far. Everywhere else I look seems to have all the old school techniques which I want to shy away from. Does anyone have any resources? Thanks so much Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***[attachment aubrey.vcf deleted by Anya Gerasimchuk/UnionCentral] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Anya, It just makes good business sense, If you can write what would normally take 40 lines of code to do and can condense it to a half dozen. That's reason enough for me. Today's customers are demanding a lot more for less so if you can do something in half the time - why not. Regards Aubrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying to convince people here at work to use JQuery for UI, but most are reluctant, because it's a framework. Any good arguments of Why it is still OK to use JQuery? Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] (513) 595 -2391 *Aubrey Morrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/18/2008 12:04 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Simon, Get into jQuery man. Plain old javascript just doesn't cut it. Best library I have used. Bit of a learning curve but well worth getting your head around. Have fun: http://jquery.com/ Regards Aubrey Simon wrote: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting which teaches just that but it only goes so far. Everywhere else I look seems to have all the old school techniques which I want to shy away from. Does anyone have any resources? Thanks so much Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***[attachment aubrey.vcf deleted by Anya Gerasimchuk/UnionCentral] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***begin:vcard fn:Aubrey Morrell n:Morrell;Aubrey org:ambiguousmoose adr:Beverley;;28 Mace View;;East Yorkshire;HU17 8YP;England email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;home:01482 880021 tel;cell:07952 314 823 url:www.ambiguousmoose.co.uk version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying to convince people here at work to use JQuery for UI, but most are reluctant, because it's a framework. They are reluctant because it has prewritten code to handle a bunch of common tasks that lots of people want to do (and, as a result, is robuster then most homebrew things because it has more eyes spotting problems and fixing bugs)? Any good arguments of Why it is still OK to use JQuery? It's a framework should be a good one. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I agree. Also I think their argument is that frameworks change, and if that happens, we are going to be stuck with what we had before... Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] (513) 595 -2391 Aubrey Morrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/18/2008 12:31 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Anya, It just makes good business sense, If you can write what would normally take 40 lines of code to do and can condense it to a half dozen. That's reason enough for me. Today's customers are demanding a lot more for less so if you can do something in half the time - why not. Regards Aubrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying to convince people here at work to use JQuery for UI, but most are reluctant, because it's a framework. Any good arguments of Why it is still OK to use JQuery? Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] (513) 595 -2391 *Aubrey Morrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/18/2008 12:04 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Simon, Get into jQuery man. Plain old javascript just doesn't cut it. Best library I have used. Bit of a learning curve but well worth getting your head around. Have fun: http://jquery.com/ Regards Aubrey Simon wrote: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting which teaches just that but it only goes so far. Everywhere else I look seems to have all the old school techniques which I want to shy away from. Does anyone have any resources? Thanks so much Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***[attachment aubrey.vcf deleted by Anya Gerasimchuk/UnionCentral] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***[attachment aubrey.vcf deleted by Anya Gerasimchuk/UnionCentral] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly
What I learn from JQuery community is that it is quite stable, BC and consistent. It saves me a lot of headaches when dealing with weird behaviors of different browsers including bad ones: IE6 or IE7. If anyone want to write JavaScript from the scratch, he will encounter a lot of problem, especially working with IE. JavaScript is not a technology like PHP or Java when their compilers and runtime engines are responsible for making applications portable across different platforms. With JavaScript you need to be familiar yourself with browsers, which are actual platforms. If there is something that makes your JavaScript code portable, it is such a JavaScript library like JQuery. pcdinh On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. Also I think their argument is that frameworks change, and if that happens, we are going to be stuck with what we had before... Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] (513) 595 -2391 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly
Does anyone have any resources? I highly recommend Douglas Crockford's lectures on JavaScript: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/theater/ * The JavaScript Programming Language * An Inconvenient API: The Theory of the DOM * Advanced JavaScript Douglas also wrote a very good book JavaScript: The Good Parts. I also liked Pro JavaScript Techniques by John Resig (jQuery author) and Pro JavaScript Design Patterns by Ross Harmes and Dustin Diaz. -- Stepan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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jQuery is really good because, unlike some other frameworks, it doesn't lock you into its little world. You're still coding in javascript, and jQuery is just a really handy set of functions to help you out with just the really frustrating parts. It's really important to use a framework nowadays because of the vast gulf there is in the behavior between the different browsers. Frameworks eliminate hours of debugging by presenting just a single simple interface to do many common tasks, that someone else has already debugged to work cross browser. In my opinion, it should be difficult to argue AGAINST using a framework, simply because frameworks save so much time - and time is money! What are the arguments against using a framework? If there's something about frameworks' that just rubs your colleagues the wrong way, perhaps look into base2.js, IE7.js and IE8.js by Dean Edwards. They're basically implementations of the standard w3c dom interfaces, such that if a browser doesn't support the standard correctly, his framework fills in the gap. With that, there's no visible signs of a framework, just a consistant cross browser dom api. That's the basic principle anyway. I haven't tried it, myself, so I can't tell you how well it really works. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been trying to convince people here at work to use JQuery for UI, but most are reluctant, because it's a framework. Any good arguments of Why it is still OK to use JQuery? Anya V. Gerasimchuk Web Designer, IT - Web Shared Services UNIFI Information Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] (513) 595 -2391 Aubrey Morrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/18/2008 12:04 PM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Simon, Get into jQuery man. Plain old javascript just doesn't cut it. Best library I have used. Bit of a learning curve but well worth getting your head around. Have fun: http://jquery.com/ Regards Aubrey Simon wrote: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting which teaches just that but it only goes so far. Everywhere else I look seems to have all the old school techniques which I want to shy away from. Does anyone have any resources? Thanks so much Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***[attachment aubrey.vcf deleted by Anya Gerasimchuk/UnionCentral] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Thanks for all your replies, I'm getting stuck into jQuery and it seems pretty good! Cheers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Breton Slivka Sent: 18 September 2008 22:53 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly jQuery is really good because, unlike some other frameworks, it doesn't lock you into its little world. You're still coding in javascript, and jQuery is just a really handy set of functions to help you out with just the really frustrating parts. It's really important to use a framework nowadays because of the vast gulf there is in the behavior between the different browsers. Frameworks eliminate hours of debugging by presenting just a single simple interface to do many common tasks, that someone else has already debugged to work cross browser. In my opinion, it should be difficult to argue AGAINST using a framework, simply because frameworks save so much time - and time is money! What are the arguments against using a framework? If there's something about frameworks' that just rubs your colleagues the wrong way, perhaps look into base2.js, IE7.js and IE8.js by Dean Edwards. They're basically implementations of the standard w3c dom interfaces, such that if a browser doesn't support the standard correctly, his framework fills in the gap. With that, there's no visible signs of a framework, just a consistant cross browser dom api. That's the basic principle anyway. I haven't tried it, myself, so I can't tell you how well it really works. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I can personally vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint. Very good book for the beginner level. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: Friday, 19 September 2008 8:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Simon skrev: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, Learn the basics first - then libraries: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200701/learn_javascript_before_tasting _the_library_koolaid/ Mozilla Developer Central is a nice resource. All Sitepoint books are great as well. PPK's books i also very good. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3451 (20080918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 17/09/2008 5:07 PM __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3451 (20080918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I can vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint as well. I used it in combination with some of their other javascript books. William Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can personally vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint. Very good book for the beginner level. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: Friday, 19 September 2008 8:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Simon skrev: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, Learn the basics first - then libraries: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200701/learn_javascript_before_tast ing _the_library_koolaid/ Mozilla Developer Central is a nice resource. All Sitepoint books are great as well. PPK's books i also very good. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3451 (20080918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 17/09/2008 5:07 PM __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3451 (20080918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I've been using 'Javascript: A Beginner's Guide' (2nd Edition) by John Pollock and have found that pretty useful. - susie On 19/09/08 11:34 AM, William Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint as well. I used it in combination with some of their other javascript books. William Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can personally vouch for Simply JavaScript by Sitepoint. Very good book for the beginner level. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keryx Web Sent: Friday, 19 September 2008 8:52 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly Simon skrev: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, Learn the basics first - then libraries: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200701/learn_javascript_before_tast ing _the_library_koolaid/ Mozilla Developer Central is a nice resource. All Sitepoint books are great as well. PPK's books i also very good. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3451 (20080918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 17/09/2008 5:07 PM __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3451 (20080918) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I've been trying to convince people here at work to use JQuery for UI, but most are reluctant, because it's a framework. Any good arguments of Why it is still OK to use JQuery? jQuery is not really a framework. jQuery is a library of javascript functions. The fact that they have a synonym to the main jquery function called '$' makes some people think that you are no longer coding in javascript. The reality is that you can code javascript and jQuery function calls together. It's just a library. A framework means you have some configuration file that the application constructs itself around. This is called inversion of control. I have never seen this done in any javascript application. An example of inversion of control would be Struts or Spring in Java. Your co-workers have nothing to fear. Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 http://www.neighborwebmaster.com www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Gelotte;Kepler;;Mr. FN:Kepler Gelotte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ORG:Neighbor Webmaster TITLE:Web Designer TEL;WORK;VOICE:(732) 302-0904 TEL;WORK;FAX:(732) 302-0904 ADR;WORK:;;156 Normandy Dr;Piscataway;NJ;08854;United States of America LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:156 Normandy Dr=0D=0APiscataway, NJ 08854=0D=0AUnited States of America URL;WORK:http://www.neighborwebmaster.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20070415T052107Z END:VCARD
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