Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Firminger wrote: I totally disagree. IE (with it's problems) is the dominant browser and it's absolutely your problem (the web developer) to make sure the site you build for a client works on the most likely user-agent. Didn't nay not to make the site work in IE. What I'm suggesting is

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El vie, 04-06-2004 a las 12:59, Mordechai Peller escribió: As far as non-IE extras, they should be exactly that--extra. A site need to have a 100% lever of functionality and a 100% look in IE, but in a compliant browser, maybe the look could be 110%? Users would only know they were missing

RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE I agree word for word with Mark on this Jamie Mason: Design -Original Message- From: Mark Harwood WebMail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 June 2004 12:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE Im sorry but you

RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mark Harwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE I agree word for word with Mark on this Jamie Mason: Design -Original Message- From: Mark Harwood WebMail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 June 2004 12:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Make em' pay

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Manuel González Noriega wrote: FYI, that concept is called MOSE and described here http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/06/25/mose/ Thanks. So someone with more clout than me said it about a year ago. What I'm adding is that we should let the client know we're doing it, but not charging

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood WebMail wrote: Im sorry but you never ever suggest to a client that the site will not work in IE, 9 time out of 10 a client will only know about IE. If your suggesting standards you should know what and what not to do to make a standard site work accross all browsers. I said the

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mark Harwood
In other words, you'll lie to your client because you think they're too stupid to understand that dealing with the problems in IE is one of the costs of doing business and no less real than paying taxes and the electric company. Im sorry but i can safely say that i have no need to lie to my

RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-03 Thread Mike Pepper
Nothing like a bit of commercial suicide to thin the web development ranks :o) Mike Pepper (Nearly exhausted) Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mordechai Peller Sent: 04 June 2004 00:24 To: