Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-24 Thread Jens Nedal
dwain wrote: i agree, put the poem in a div, place the poem inside a p, use br / (br for html4) at the end of each line and a double br / between stanzas (unless you are writing a very long poem, then i'd go for p at every stanza). cheers, dwain Hello Web Standards Group List

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Jens Nedal wrote: [...] If you ask me, i would say that a double br is a p already. Look at word processing programs. When you wish for a double br you will simply type Enter. If you want a line-break you will mostly do a Shift+Enter. Word processing isn't web design, and one has to look

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-23 Thread Designer
Matijs wrote: I have to agree with Elizabeth here. Semantically I'd say that this is one of the few occasions where a br/ would be appropriate. The verses would be paragraphs of course. I did this a while back on a site for an author. I decided it was the best compromise between

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-23 Thread James Jeffery
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matijs wrote: I have to agree with Elizabeth here. Semantically I'd say that this is one of the few occasions where a br/ would be appropriate. The verses would be paragraphs of course I did this a while back on a site

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-23 Thread dwain
On 6/23/08, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From all the replies I have read through and from all the articles I have read up on, this is probably the best solution I came across. I would wrap the whole poem within a

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-22 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aldona Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2008 12:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems I've been reading the marking up poems thread with interest but it seems no one has made what seems

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-22 Thread Matijs
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aldona Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2008 12:46 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems I've been reading the marking up poems thread with interest but it seems no one has made what seems to be the most obvious

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-21 Thread Aldona
I've been reading the marking up poems thread with interest but it seems no one has made what seems to be the most obvious suggestion. When I was still in class we had an exercise with a poem and used an unordered list. Would this be a viable option? You could even have a different list for each

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Michael Persson
Poetry is art and its really ugly to even try to mark it correctly. There must be something that would work though and i have actually tried with a really bad result.. http://kevinmcgeary.com/essay.html With inherit and ems mixed with p there must be a way also where beginning letter would be

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Well yes, you could mark it up as XML behind the scenes, but you shouldn't be sending XML to the browser. They might or might not be able to cope with it, but you'd be breaking validation (unless you used XHTML sent as actual XML and start namespacing things). In simple terms, I'd mark up

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Michael Cordover
I would suggest that this is pre. Poetry is generally so display-specific that you couldn't hope to mark it up, I'd say. Michael On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 19:08, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. I looked into it but found

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread James Jeffery
True. I still think there should be a stanard set of elements to mark up poems though. Not checked if WG are doing anything in HTML 5 - i think they are. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Michael Cordover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest that this is pre. Poetry is generally so

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread James Jeffery
Just another resource for those interested: http://signified.com.au/a-poem-element-for-html5/ On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 10:53 AM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True. I still think there should be a stanard set of elements to mark up poems though. Not checked if WG are doing anything

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Jon Tan
On 19 Jun 2008, at 10:08, James Jeffery wrote: A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was to use P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is perfect for this case. Whats your views on

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Ben Buchanan
A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. It depends on the form, really. For most poetry, I think paragraphs with line breaks are appropriate. If the poem requires very specific positioning, pre would be the first option as that doesn't rely on CSS. Finally if all else

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Jon Tan
On 19 Jun 2008, at 11:06, Jon Tan wrote: On 19 Jun 2008, at 10:08, James Jeffery wrote: A question was raised at work today 'How do you mark up a poem'. I looked into it but found nothing worthy. My original thought was to use P's and class names, but one article I read said XML is

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread James Jeffery
Very good! But I have to say they all sound the same. Did anyone spot any differences? I think there may have been a difference in the second one but can't be sure. On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Jon Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Jun 2008, at 11:06, Jon Tan wrote: On 19 Jun 2008, at

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread jody tate
I'd stress what Jon Tan wrote: My recommendation would be p for stanzas and br / line breaks for most verse. Stanzas are usually taught as the paragraph of poetry and verses are referred to as line breaks. Side note you're free to ignore: I'd argue most of the historical bits below are

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Andrew Harris
A poem is, essentially, a block quotation, is it not? I'd probably be throwing in a cite attribute too :-) http://reference.sitepoint.com/html/blockquote/cite -- Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
I look after a poetry ezine site ( http://www.foame.org/) and that¹s what I do. For a lot of poets, the look of their poem on the page is very important. Sometimes they want to make visual patterns with their stanzas ... always a bit hit and miss, depending on browsers/platforms etc. And then

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Andrew Harris wrote: A poem is, essentially, a block quotation, is it not? Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-,

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Bennett
Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page. Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
Not if it's your own poem you're putting on your own page. Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :) Don't you mean: blockquote cite=me Rubbish - I quote myself all the time! :) /blockquote :) *** List Guidelines:

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Paul Bennett
Must you Australian's *always* have the last say? ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Matthew Hodgson
not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 20 June 2008 12:12 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Marking Up Poems Must

Re: [WSG] Marking Up Poems

2008-06-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Must you Australian's *always* have the last say? ;) not always, but often. esp if it ends in beer and a party Is that why what you say most often makes no sense? :-) Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List