RE: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-23 Thread Jaime Wong
Wish I could just fly to Sydney right away but I can't :( We don't get these
type of presentation here!!! *envy envy*
 
Having videos for the meetings would be great for foreign countries' members
:) I understand the time needed to edit and convert the videos and server
space etc.
 
I would be more than happy to help in any ways if WSG is thinking of having
this video service as long as I do not get to miss out all the goodies from
down under from up here!
 
 
 
With Regards
Jaime Wong
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter
 
Hmmm yes, we have access to three (mini) DV cameras that I know of.
 
Processing all that video will be a bit of a pain though. We'll probably do
an hour with David so it may not be very practical, and I don't really want
to serve that much video from my server. Maybe someone in Sydney can
volunteer to take the tape, edit it down to some key demo points (5-10 mins)
and convert it to QuickTime and Windows Media. I really won't have the time
to do this.
 
Thanks for the suggestion. We'll let you know.
 
P
 
 Anybody got a DV-Cam? Maybe for meetings we could video guest
 speakers
 (with their permission of course), type up transcripts and
 post both to
 the website along with their comments.

 I think this is just too important to let go for those who aren't in
 Sydney (which, luckily, I am!) and for the visually-abled
 David's Top 50
 list would have much more an impact with the accompanying video.

 Just an idea...

 -- tim
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-19 Thread Ian Lloyd
On 19 Mar 2004, at 00:43, russ weakley wrote:

The next Sydney meeting has been moved back from the 8th to the 15th 
April
to avoid the Easter long weekend.
If I'm still in Sidders, I'll come along, but I think I'll be somewhere 
near Melbourne or NZ by then

:-(  I mean, for missing the meeting otherwise I'm more :-)

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Re: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread Mark Lynch
Wow - really looking forward to this - it's something that many of us
try to support without ever having used screen reader or even knowing a
blind person.  I expect there will be a lot of learningand changes
in the aftermath.


On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 01:11, Tim Lucas wrote:
 Thanks Russ, Peter and David.
 
 That's great news -- can't wait!
 
 -- tim
 
 russ weakley spoke the following wise words on 19/03/2004 12:43 AM EST:
  We have a special presenter for the night - David Woodbridge.
  
  David works at the Royal Blind Society. His jobs is to evaluate client
  websites from a blind perspective (yes, he is blind). He has detailed
  technical knowledge of websites and how they should be set up for optimum
  accessibility.
  
  David will be bringing his own equipment including screen reader and
  possibly his Braille reader. He will be demonstrating how they work, and
  where websites can go wrong.
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RE: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread Leslie Riggs

For non-Sydney members, he has promised to write up a list of his top 50
accessibility issues. We will post this to the group.

Very exciting!
Russ


I'm very, VERY interested in reading what David has to say about
accessibility with regard to the needs of blind users, so I'll be
looking forward to the list.  I'm always looking for something to
improve upon in my work.

As a deaf user, I have had issues dealing with streaming audio/video
that does not include captioning to let me know what those people are
saying.  I'd really love to be able to see the news films and other
video on the Internet, and know exactly what those people are saying.
If captions are technically impossible at this point (granted, in those
small Quicktime screens, they'd be mighty small), then at LEAST, a
transcript should be provided via a link, or something.  I take this
into consideration when I work on sites that contain streaming
audio/video.  

If only I could get to Sydney...but it is not to be.

Thanks for the information, Russ.

Leslie Riggs


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Re: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread Tim Lucas
Leslie Riggs spoke the following wise words on 19/03/2004 2:13 AM EST:
If only I could get to Sydney...but it is not to be.
Anybody got a DV-Cam? Maybe for meetings we could video guest speakers 
(with their permission of course), type up transcripts and post both to 
the website along with their comments.

I think this is just too important to let go for those who aren't in 
Sydney (which, luckily, I am!) and for the visually-abled David's Top 50 
list would have much more an impact with the accompanying video.

Just an idea...

-- tim

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RE: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread Peter Firminger
Hmmm yes, we have access to three (mini) DV cameras that I know of.

Processing all that video will be a bit of a pain though. We'll probably do
an hour with David so it may not be very practical, and I don't really want
to serve that much video from my server. Maybe someone in Sydney can
volunteer to take the tape, edit it down to some key demo points (5-10 mins)
and convert it to QuickTime and Windows Media. I really won't have the time
to do this.

Thanks for the suggestion. We'll let you know.

P

 Anybody got a DV-Cam? Maybe for meetings we could video guest
 speakers
 (with their permission of course), type up transcripts and
 post both to
 the website along with their comments.

 I think this is just too important to let go for those who aren't in
 Sydney (which, luckily, I am!) and for the visually-abled
 David's Top 50
 list would have much more an impact with the accompanying video.

 Just an idea...

 -- tim


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Re: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread James Ellis
Leslie

You (and others) may be interested in CMML via the CSIRO - 
http://www.annodex.net/index.html.
The Annodex technology extends the World Wide Web's hyperlinking, 
searching, and compositing infrastructure to time-continuous data, 
enabling e.g. /video surfing/, searching for clips of audio and video 
files using ordinary Web search engines, or on-the-fly composition of a 
video on a Web server from previously annodexed clips.

It's XML based so captioning could easily be in there (I haven't been 
able to scan the whole site). If there is enough interest in it maybe a 
new thread could be started.

Cheers
James
Leslie Riggs wrote:

For non-Sydney members, he has promised to write up a list of his top 50
accessibility issues. We will post this to the group.
Very exciting!
Russ
I'm very, VERY interested in reading what David has to say about
accessibility with regard to the needs of blind users, so I'll be
looking forward to the list.  I'm always looking for something to
improve upon in my work.
As a deaf user, I have had issues dealing with streaming audio/video
that does not include captioning to let me know what those people are
saying.  I'd really love to be able to see the news films and other
video on the Internet, and know exactly what those people are saying.
If captions are technically impossible at this point (granted, in those
small Quicktime screens, they'd be mighty small), then at LEAST, a
transcript should be provided via a link, or something.  I take this
into consideration when I work on sites that contain streaming
audio/video.  

If only I could get to Sydney...but it is not to be.

Thanks for the information, Russ.

Leslie Riggs

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Re: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread Nick Lo
On that note have you considered just releasing it straight on to video 
or dvd and selling it? It'd be a laborious job to have to edit and web 
format all that footage and equally laborious to have to watch it via 
the web. I think this kind of thing (especially a run through of how 
blind users use the internet) would be great to have to show clients, 
etc. exactly how web standards become relevant. It really wouldn't need 
editing or fiddling with as in the end we'll all just view/show the 
bits relevant to us anyway. Certainly for those of us without easy 
access to Sydney meetings it's really the only way we can keep up 
anyway.

Nick

Hmmm yes, we have access to three (mini) DV cameras that I know of.

Processing all that video will be a bit of a pain though. We'll 
probably do
an hour with David so it may not be very practical, and I don't really 
want
to serve that much video from my server. Maybe someone in Sydney can
volunteer to take the tape, edit it down to some key demo points (5-10 
mins)
and convert it to QuickTime and Windows Media. I really won't have the 
time
to do this.

Thanks for the suggestion. We'll let you know.

P

Anybody got a DV-Cam? Maybe for meetings we could video guest
speakers
(with their permission of course), type up transcripts and
post both to
the website along with their comments.
I think this is just too important to let go for those who aren't in
Sydney (which, luckily, I am!) and for the visually-abled
David's Top 50
list would have much more an impact with the accompanying video.
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RE: [WSG] Next Sydney meeting - a fantastic guest presenter

2004-03-18 Thread Nick Cowie
I have been fortunate to watch/listen to Ryan from the WA office of the the Royal 
Blind Society demonstrating his screen reader on a couple of occassions and answer 
dumb questions from a sighted audience.  It changed the way I construct websites.  My 
advice if you are in Sydney, go listen to David Woodbridge and learn, you will 
probably change the way you build websites for the better (or at least more 
accessible).

Nick Cowie
Online Services
Department of Consumer and Employment Protection
Government of Western Australia


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