Re: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Bradley Wright
Miles,

Generally when serving PDF type document at my place of work, we serve 
them using a custom HTTP header:

header( content-disposition: inline );

(that's the PHP way to do it).

This works for us because we serve most of our documents as BLOBs from 
the database. If you're not doing that, I'm not sure my help will be 
any... help.

Be careful with this one, it seems to work pretty well in IE, but other 
browsers ignore it. Then again, other browsers generally behave better 
with attachments/mime-types in general.

Miles Tillinger wrote:

Just a question about how other developers handle opening documents e.g. PDF, DOC, in a new window.

At the moment I am using _blank targets.

Scenario 1: User is using IE with Word configured to open inside the IE window.  When the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a new IE window opens and the doc is loaded in that window.

Scenario 2: User is using IE or another browser, but is configured to open Word doc's in Word, not in the Browser window.  When the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a new Browser window open and the user either prompted to Save or Open the doc, or may even open the doc in Word automatically if the user has previously selected that option.  The problem here is that the user is left with a blank Browser window.

So Scenario 1 is how I'd like it to behave in every case, but is this possible?  Since I have no way of knowing how the user has their system configured I don't know whether to offer the link with a _blank target or not?  Is there an accessible standard way of doing it?

Regards,

Miles

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RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Miles Tillinger

I don't suppose we're actually 'serving' the PDF or DOC as such, in that we only link 
to the file.  As we have no control over the header of the file, the user's OS will 
handle it however it is configured to.  Herein lies the problem...

-Original Message-
From: Bradley Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window



Miles,

Generally when serving PDF type document at my place of work, we serve 
them using a custom HTTP header:

header( content-disposition: inline );

(that's the PHP way to do it).

This works for us because we serve most of our documents as BLOBs from 
the database. If you're not doing that, I'm not sure my help will be 
any... help.

Be careful with this one, it seems to work pretty well in IE, but other 
browsers ignore it. Then again, other browsers generally behave better 
with attachments/mime-types in general.

Miles Tillinger wrote:

Just a question about how other developers handle opening documents e.g. PDF, DOC, in 
a new window.

At the moment I am using _blank targets.

Scenario 1: User is using IE with Word configured to open inside the IE window.  When 
the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a new IE window opens and the doc is loaded 
in that window.

Scenario 2: User is using IE or another browser, but is configured to open Word doc's 
in Word, not in the Browser window.  When the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a 
new Browser window open and the user either prompted to Save or Open the doc, or may 
even open the doc in Word automatically if the user has previously selected that 
option.  The problem here is that the user is left with a blank Browser window.

So Scenario 1 is how I'd like it to behave in every case, but is this possible?  
Since I have no way of knowing how the user has their system configured I don't know 
whether to offer the link with a _blank target or not?  Is there an accessible 
standard way of doing it?

Regards,

Miles

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RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur

I hope it's not stupid, but how about the ol' Right-click and Save as?

I haven't followed this whole post, but I know it annoys the hell out of me when I 
click a link and it opens up a new window and starts adobe acrobat (in the browser), 
starts loading the file, and consumes all my system resources... (ooh and the X 
doesn't work)

I believe users really need to gently be guided when it comes to downloading 
documents, i.e.

To download any of the following documents, please click the document to open it in a 
new browser, or Right Click the link and select Save As to save the document to 
your machine.

my 2 pesetas!

-Original Message-
From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 10:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window



I don't suppose we're actually 'serving' the PDF or DOC as such, in that we only link 
to the file.  As we have no control over the header of the file, the user's OS will 
handle it however it is configured to.  Herein lies the problem...

-Original Message-
From: Bradley Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window



Miles,

Generally when serving PDF type document at my place of work, we serve 
them using a custom HTTP header:

header( content-disposition: inline );

(that's the PHP way to do it).

This works for us because we serve most of our documents as BLOBs from 
the database. If you're not doing that, I'm not sure my help will be 
any... help.

Be careful with this one, it seems to work pretty well in IE, but other 
browsers ignore it. Then again, other browsers generally behave better 
with attachments/mime-types in general.

Miles Tillinger wrote:

Just a question about how other developers handle opening documents e.g. PDF, DOC, in 
a new window.

At the moment I am using _blank targets.

Scenario 1: User is using IE with Word configured to open inside the IE window.  When 
the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a new IE window opens and the doc is loaded 
in that window.

Scenario 2: User is using IE or another browser, but is configured to open Word doc's 
in Word, not in the Browser window.  When the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a 
new Browser window open and the user either prompted to Save or Open the doc, or may 
even open the doc in Word automatically if the user has previously selected that 
option.  The problem here is that the user is left with a blank Browser window.

So Scenario 1 is how I'd like it to behave in every case, but is this possible?  
Since I have no way of knowing how the user has their system configured I don't know 
whether to offer the link with a _blank target or not?  Is there an accessible 
standard way of doing it?

Regards,

Miles

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RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur



Any 
more info on this? 
Doesn't it work the same as sending proper headers?

  -Original Message-From: James Ellis 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 
  11:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] 
  OT: Opening documents in _blank windowIf you are using 
  Apache you could force a download for these file types instead of opening the 
  file. When the user clicks on the link the download box will pop 
  up.This'd be my preference...CheersJamesMiles 
  Tillinger wrote:
  I don't suppose we're actually 'serving' the PDF or DOC as such, in that we only link to the file.  As we have no control over the header of the file, the user's OS will handle it however it is configured to.  Herein lies the problem...

-Original Message-
From: Bradley Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window



Miles,

Generally when serving PDF type document at my place of work, we serve 
them using a custom HTTP header:

header( "content-disposition: inline" );

(that's the PHP way to do it).

This works for us because we serve most of our documents as BLOBs from 
the database. If you're not doing that, I'm not sure my help will be 
any... help.

Be careful with this one, it seems to work pretty well in IE, but other 
browsers ignore it. Then again, other browsers generally behave better 
with attachments/mime-types in general.

Miles Tillinger wrote:

  
Just a question about how other developers handle opening documents e.g. PDF, DOC, in a new window.

At the moment I am using _blank targets.

Scenario 1: User is using IE with Word configured to open inside the IE window.  When the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a new IE window opens and the doc is loaded in that window.

Scenario 2: User is using IE or another browser, but is configured to open Word doc's in Word, not in the Browser window.  When the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a new Browser window open and the user either prompted to Save or Open the doc, or may even open the doc in Word automatically if the user has previously selected that option.  The problem here is that the user is left with a blank Browser window.

So Scenario 1 is how I'd like it to behave in every case, but is this possible?  Since I have no way of knowing how the user has their system configured I don't know whether to offer the link with a _blank target or not?  Is there an accessible standard way of doing it?

Regards,

Miles

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RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Peter Firminger



If you force a user to save the file locally instead of 
opening it in the manner in which their browser is set up to handle it you're 
taking away their control of default behaviours. I really recommend against 
this. Let the browser handle it. If they have only the Acrobat Reader,a 
PDF will(generally) open within the browser. If they want to set it up 
differently to open in Acrobat itself, they can change their setup. 


I have all these types of things set as I want them. I want 
to open Word and Excel files within the browser. If you force me to save it 
you're taking my preference away and I get really cranky. Then I have to 
remember where I saved it and clean it up later, rather than it being a 
temporary internet file that is purged automatically.

Whenever a client asks me to force people to save things I 
talk them out of it.

Just my thoughts.

P

  
  
  From: Taco Fleur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:12 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents 
  in _blank window
  
  Any 
  more info on this? 
  Doesn't it work the same as sending proper headers?
  
-Original Message-From: James Ellis 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 12 December 
2003 11:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
[WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank windowIf you are 
using Apache you could force a download for these file types instead of 
opening the file. When the user clicks on the link the download box will pop 
up.This'd be my preference...CheersJamesMiles 
Tillinger wrote:
I don't suppose we're actually 'serving' the PDF or DOC as such, in that we only link to the file.  As we have no control over the header of the file, the user's OS will handle it however it is configured to.  Herein lies the problem...

-Original Message-
From: Bradley Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:06 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window



Miles,

Generally when serving PDF type document at my place of work, we serve 
them using a custom HTTP header:

header( "content-disposition: inline" );

(that's the PHP way to do it).

This works for us because we serve most of our documents as BLOBs from 
the database. If you're not doing that, I'm not sure my help will be 
any... help.

Be careful with this one, it seems to work pretty well in IE, but other 
browsers ignore it. Then again, other browsers generally behave better 
with attachments/mime-types in general.

Miles Tillinger wrote:

  
  Just a question about how other developers handle opening documents e.g. PDF, DOC, in a new window.

At the moment I am using _blank targets.

Scenario 1: User is using IE with Word configured to open inside the IE window.  When the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a new IE window opens and the doc is loaded in that window.

Scenario 2: User is using IE or another browser, but is configured to open Word doc's in Word, not in the Browser window.  When the user clicks on a link to the Word doc a new Browser window open and the user either prompted to Save or Open the doc, or may even open the doc in Word automatically if the user has previously selected that option.  The problem here is that the user is left with a blank Browser window.

So Scenario 1 is how I'd like it to behave in every case, but is this possible?  Since I have no way of knowing how the user has their system configured I don't know whether to offer the link with a _blank target or not?  Is there an accessible standard way of doing it?

Regards,

Miles

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RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur



If you force a user to save the file locally instead of opening it in the 
manner in which their browser is set up to handle it you're taking away their 
control of default behaviours. I really recommend against this. Let the browser 
handle it. If they have only the Acrobat Reader,a PDF 
will(generally) open within the browser. If they want to set it up 
differently to open in Acrobat itself, they can change their setup.

---

How many users out there do you know that actually know 
they can change these settings? Let alone knowhow to change these 
settings.


---

I have all these types of 
things set as I want them. I want to open Word and Excel files within the 
browser. If you force me to save it you're taking my preference away and I get 
really cranky. Then I have to remember where I saved it and clean it up later, 
rather than it being a temporary internet file that is purged 
automatically.


---

Forcing to save ALSO gives you the option to open, OK 
it does not open it in your browser, but in the program it was intended to open 
in the first place (outside your browser)..

I think no matter what preferences the user has set in their 
browser, we should do a bit of thinking for them, who actually has no problems 
opening up a PDF or word document in their browser? 

my 2 
pesetas


Re: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-09 Thread Gino Ferraro

Hi All,

I am a new member and this is my first post.

Miles I came across your problem a while back while
upgrading my work site, trying everything I was about
to give up when Sitepoint.com published an article
from Kevin Yank that explained exactly how to open
documents in a new window. And it's standards
compliant as well!

View the article at
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/1041

Regards
Gino


 --- Miles Tillinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:  
 Just a question about how other developers handle
 opening documents e.g. PDF, DOC, in a new window.
 
 At the moment I am using _blank targets.
 
 Scenario 1: User is using IE with Word configured to
 open inside the IE window.  When the user clicks on
 a link to the Word doc a new IE window opens and the
 doc is loaded in that window.
 
 Scenario 2: User is using IE or another browser, but
 is configured to open Word doc's in Word, not in the
 Browser window.  When the user clicks on a link to
 the Word doc a new Browser window open and the user
 either prompted to Save or Open the doc, or may even
 open the doc in Word automatically if the user has
 previously selected that option.  The problem here
 is that the user is left with a blank Browser
 window.
 
 So Scenario 1 is how I'd like it to behave in every
 case, but is this possible?  Since I have no way of
 knowing how the user has their system configured I
 don't know whether to offer the link with a _blank
 target or not?  Is there an accessible standard way
 of doing it?
 
 Regards,
 
 Miles
 

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