Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
Yes. It's not as evil as some things, but it is certainly bad practice. You'd be much better off using HTML 4.01 (which is, last time I checked a valid spec). Julián Landerreche wrote: As long as I know, you shouldnt serve XHTML 1.1 as text/html. You should serve it as text/xml, or application/xhtml+xml I read it may be... dangerous! But, of course, I dont really understand what I'm talking about I'm just repeating what I have read on several sites. Julián Christian Montoya wrote: ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
Hm, I've been thinking about this. As far as I know, serving XHTML 1.1 as xml or xhtml+xml IS dangerous. It's not supported in most browsers. While text/html is not the right way to serve 1.1, it's the only way that works. It's the way I serve my 1.1 sites, and I haven't seen any problems. Any thoughts on this? On 10/2/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes. It's not as evil as some things, but it is certainly bad practice. You'd be much better off using HTML 4.01 (which is, last time I checkeda valid spec).Julián Landerreche wrote: As long as I know, you shouldnt serve XHTML 1.1 as text/html. You should serve it as text/xml, or application/xhtml+xml I read it may be... dangerous! But, of course, I dont really understand what I'm talking about I'm just repeating what I have read on several sites. Julián Christian Montoya wrote: **The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- - C Montoyardpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com
Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
As long as I know, you shouldnt serve XHTML 1.1 as text/html. You should serve it as text/xml, or application/xhtml+xml I read it may be... dangerous! But, of course, I dont really understand what I'm talking about I'm just repeating what I have read on several sites. Julián Christian Montoya wrote: LOL, I can't help but laugh on this one. There's two tiny little links with absolute positioning placing them thousands of pixels to the RIGHT... and somehow they aren't lost on the page. They ought to be placed thousands of pixels to the TOP, so that they won't make a scrollbar appear. On 9/28/05, *Kenny Graham* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: semi-related: your main site (fastwrite.com http://fastwrite.com) scrolls horizontally forever in firefox ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
-nice grids andvery quick download time. I had one questioin about the use of thetables. Could you explain how this helps? We use a table to render the main content. However, the real content will be displayed first because it spans over 2 lines 2 rows of the table). -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pat BoensSent: 28 September 2005 18:04To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail) Dears, In an attempt to bring a little contribution to the world of web standards we have developed a dozen templates that we would like to submit for your review. These templates are all shared under the terms of the "Attribution" license of "Creative Commons". We would like to obtain your comments in the following areas: 1) XHTML 1.1: quality of code (+ possible improvements) 2) CSS: quality of code (+ possible improvements) 3) WCAG: we tend to create Triple-A templates, how good are we doing? are our templates/pages really accessible? 4) Elegance of design: how good are we doing? Here are the templates: http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Liquid/Samples/tennis.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/corporate/corporate2.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/motoconcho/motoconcho.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Liquid/Liquid2.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Quietude/Quietude.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/senator/senator.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/spagyrum/spagyrum.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Typografia/Typografia.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Veritas/Veritas.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/NewYork/NewYork.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Furio/Furio.html Thank you for your input. Pat Boens
RE: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
Terrence, Many thanks for the comments. 1) We shall change the order the links to put the Skip to content link consistent across the templates. Should Home and Skip to content be the two first links? 2) We are going to modify the 2 column layout to use div only. Thanks for mentioning it. 3) We shall be more cautious about the claim of WCAG indeed. You're totally right on this. Thanks for spotting it. Do you mind if we use a somewhat close statement as Project Seven's? Pat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terrence Wood Sent: mercredi 28 septembre 2005 22:27 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail) Pat Boens said: 3) WCAG: we tend to create Triple-A templates, how good are we doing? are our templates/pages really accessible? Hi Pat, a couple of points: 1) In one of your templates your skip nav link is the second to last link in your navigation, which kind of defeats the purpose of including it. 2) In another you don't have skip links at all. Most browser don't have a built in way to skip blocks of content so we must build it ourselves. 3) In another you have used tables for a simple two column layout, which seems odd in this day and age (and in this forum). Please no table v. div wars, read the archives instead ;-) 4) Please be wary of claiming your templates are triple A compliant. This type of claim may be misleading because WCAG/S508 compliance is dependant on content, over which you have no control. See PVII (hi Al ;-)) for a great way to describe compliance with accessibility standards for template/component systems: http://www.projectseven.com/products/menusystems/pmm/index.htm kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
The best place where you can have an explanation of the table trick works is http://www.apromotionguide.com/tabletrick.html. That's where we found this trick originally. Pat From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kvnmcwebn Sent: mercredi 28 septembre 2005 21:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail) -nice grids andvery quick download time. I had one questioin about the use of thetables. Could you explain how this helps? We use a table to render the main content. However, the real content will be displayed first because it spans over 2 lines 2 rows of the table). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Pat Boens Sent: 28 September 2005 18:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail) Dears, In an attempt to bring a little contribution to the world of web standards we have developed a dozen templates that we would like to submit for your review. These templates are all shared under the terms of the Attribution license of Creative Commons. We would like to obtain your comments in the following areas: 1) XHTML 1.1: quality of code (+ possible improvements) 2) CSS: quality of code (+ possible improvements) 3) WCAG: we tend to create Triple-A templates, how good are we doing? are our templates/pages really accessible? 4) Elegance of design: how good are we doing? Here are the templates: http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Liquid/Samples/tennis.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/corporate/corporate2.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/motoconcho/motoconcho.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Liquid/Liquid2.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Quietude/Quietude.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/senator/senator.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/spagyrum/spagyrum.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Typografia/Typografia.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Veritas/Veritas.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/NewYork/NewYork.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Furio/Furio.html Thank you for your input. Pat Boens
RE: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
Pat, The New York design shows up like this in a screen reader: Page has twelve links Kraainem dash NewYork dash Mozilla Firefox Summary colon Layout table Table with one column and one row Table end List of six items bullet This page link Home alt plus 1 bullet This page link News bullet This page link Contact alt plus 9 bullet This page link Sitemap alt plus s bullet This page link Skip nav alt plus 2 bullet This page link Help alt plus 0 List end List of six items bullet This page link New York bullet This page link Paris bullet This page link Milan bullet This page link Brussels bullet This page link London bullet This page link Hong Kong List end Theres still some unnecessary stuff that clutters the output. Just because it meets all the validators doesnt mean its correct on the accessiblity front. Also, I just dont see why you need a table here. Nice idea though and I like some of the designs. Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Boens Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2005 3:04 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail) Dears, In an attempt to bring a little contribution to the world of web standards we have developed a dozen templates that we would like to submit for your review. These templates are all shared under the terms of the Attribution license of Creative Commons. We would like to obtain your comments in the following areas: 1) XHTML 1.1: quality of code (+ possible improvements) 2) CSS: quality of code (+ possible improvements) 3) WCAG: we tend to create Triple-A templates, how good are we doing? are our templates/pages really accessible? 4) Elegance of design: how good are we doing? Here are the templates: http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Liquid/Samples/tennis.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/corporate/corporate2.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/motoconcho/motoconcho.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Liquid/Liquid2.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Quietude/Quietude.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/senator/senator.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/spagyrum/spagyrum.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Typografia/Typografia.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Veritas/Veritas.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/NewYork/NewYork.html http://www.fastwrite.com/dvlonly/web/paradeigma/Furio/Furio.html Thank you for your input. Pat Boens
RE: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
Pat Boens said: 3) We shall be more cautious about the claim of WCAG indeed. You're totally right on this. Thanks for spotting it. Do you mind if we use a somewhat close statement as Project Seven's? I don't mind at all, but then it's not my content =) kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
semi-related: your main site (fastwrite.com) scrolls horizontally forever in firefox ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
From: Pat Boens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) We shall change the order the links to put the Skip to content link consistent across the templates. Should Home and Skip to content be the two first links? 2) We are going to modify the 2 column layout to use div only. Thanks for mentioning it. 3) We shall be more cautious about the claim of WCAG indeed. You're totally right on this. Thanks for spotting it. Do you mind if we use a somewhat close statement as Project Seven's? Neither Terrence nor we mind :-) Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)
LOL, I can't help but laugh on this one. There's two tiny little links with absolute positioning placing them thousands of pixels to the RIGHT... and somehow they aren't lost on the page. They ought to be placed thousands of pixels to the TOP, so that they won't make a scrollbar appear. On 9/28/05, Kenny Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: semi-related:your main site (fastwrite.com) scrolls horizontallyforever in firefox**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
