div id=header
a href=home.htmimg src=logo.jpg alt=Company name //a
h1Company name/h1
/div
The problem here seems to be if the logo img also includes the company
name... So your company name is showed twice (in the image and in the h1).
How about this approach, no need for the company name to
Paul Sturgess wrote:
How about this approach, no need for the company name to show twice:
h1a href=/img src=logo.gif alt=Company name //a/h1
Personally I like the logo to show with styles off and if the user has
images off then the alt tag provides the text. I would be interested to
know
Townson, Chris
(I think Patrick might have been making a point
earlier that logos might come under the category of 'illustration')
The cons:
- I think that something that is text (i.e. the company name)
gets marked up
as an image
I would argue (without sounding too much like a marketeer
Patrick Lauke wrote:
I would argue ... that a logo ... is more than just a visual
representation of text, in the same way that a head and shoulders passport
photo of a person is not just a visual representation of the person's name
Yes - I agree absolutely ... although my full length response
I would argue (without sounding too much like a marketeer or graphic
designer) that a logo (particularly if it's not just just text in
a specific typeface, but also includes swooshes, ticks, whatver)
is more than just a visual representation of text,
in the same way that a head and shoulders
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
Some illustration: http://decaffeinated.org/archives/2005/09/27/logo
screenreader
level twolink Silhouette Take a look at the eight logos below; I'm
betting you're familiar with every one of them. Even if, at first glance,
you're a little unsure about a couple,
... however - I argue that the issue isn't so clear cut if we take into
account (and are concerned about) user environments like screenreaders /
text-only browsers: the logos then just become text and, perhaps, should be
marked-up as such ...
...
So shall we get rid of IMG element
So shall we get rid of IMG element altogether?
now, there's an idea ;)
get rid of object too whilst we're about it! :D
[... starts e-mail to w3c ...]
seriously: your page (http://decaffeinated.org/archives/2005/09/27/logo)
does provide an example of use of img / which can't really be argued
Townson, Chris wrote:
I think my point here is this: HTML is really a text-based medium. Images
have very little meaning, for example, to a screenreader.
Ah, and people call _me_ a purist! ;-) While its foundation or tool
set is text, it has included imagery for longer than it did not.
Townson, Chris wrote:
In that case, what should the alt text for an img / which is your photo
be?
Would it have to be 1000 words ... ? :D (that's what longdesc is there
for, obviously)
Drunk and tired (heck, that could be an ALT in itself), but a quick reply:
- just because it may be
On 12/10/05 12:10 AM, Townson, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think my point here is this: HTML is really a text-based medium. Images
have very little meaning, for example, to a screenreader.
Then why is there an img element? And what about those who can't read but
enjoy using the internet
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Umm actually you do..
Check out www.courtappearances.com.au to see what I'm talking about.
Here's the CSS for that:
http://www.courtappearances.com.au/styles/style.css
As soon as I read ...you do I knew what hook you were using ;)
It's *very* nice ;)
Thierry |
: *SPAM* Re: [WSG] Placement of company logo
I prefer the following IR:
div id=masthead
h1a href=index.html title=The Company Name Web SiteCompany
Name/a/h1 /div
in the stylesheet:
#masthead h1 {
margin: 0px; padding: 0px;
}
a {
width: Xpx; height: Ypx; overflow: hidden
Townson, Chris
b) You always have a sensible H1 for which all H2s are
genuine subheadings.
and what, h1img src=logo.jpg alt=Company name //h1
is not genuine?
Patrick
__
Patrick H. Lauke
Webmaster / University of Salford
Chris Townson wrote:
b) You always have a sensible H1 for which all H2s are genuine
subheadings.
Patrick H. Lauke wrote
and what, h1img src=logo.jpg alt=Company name //h1 is not
genuine?
Semantically, I would say: No, its not
This would be due to the point about indexicality I mentioned.
Townson, Chris
This would be due to the point about indexicality I mentioned.
This would be the point where I'd say the whole discussion on semantics
risks disappearing up it own behind...no offense.
You want to do web design, eh? Well, get onto the semiotics and linguistics
course for the
This would be due to the point about indexicality I mentioned.
This would be the point where I'd say the whole discussion on semantics
risks disappearing up it own behind...no offense.
none taken :D
You want to do web design, eh? Well, get onto the semiotics and
linguistics course for the
...
QED: Use image replacement for logos (over h1 heading) where possible!
...
I'd say, where necessary...
I gradually arrived at this: Logo is important visual/id/navigation
element of the page, so
I have it in the html as IMG.
It is not header of any kind (imho, no need to argue), so it is
Townson, Chris
I agree with your point here completely. However, in
pragmatic (;)) terms,
with current technology, text is just the only solution which conveys
meaning to _all_ users (not just those using graphical
browsers on a desktop
PC)
The only problem with having an image of a
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
H1, which is spared
for more appropriate usage — i.e. main header of the page - About
us, Products, etc.
So, wich tag would you use to put your company/site name if you use H1
to mark-up the section name?
OK. the site name can be in the title tag, but I think
adam reitsma wrote:
oh dear
is it just me, or does this TIP method seem like the modern-day
version of the spacer gif?
There is more to the spacer image...
About the hook:
An image element can be printed (good thing for a logo) and can even scale.
About hiding the text:
Unlike Richard's
Hope Stewart wrote:
There was a thread earlier this year that discussed how images that
are presentational and not part of the content should be placed as
background images through the css and not coded into the html with
the img. This makes a lot of sense.
With all sites I've worked on, I'd
Hope Stewart said:
With all sites I've worked on, I'd say that the company logo falls into
this presentational category. But I wasn't aware of this concept for my
first few sites, so I have some sites where the company logo is part of
the html and others where it is part of the css.
On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:51:49 +1000, Hope Stewart wrote:
What do others think? I am quite happy to be persuaded otherwise by a sound
logical argument/discussion!
I have decided to (generally) make the logo part of the html.
Its part of the content, the company's branding is an important element
What do others think?
1 vote here for always making the logo a regular img and part of the
html markup. reasoning for me is a pretty simple one. its content! :)
cheers,
pete
~~~
Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director
Daemon Pty Ltd
17 Roslyn Gardens
Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011
My thoughts entirely.
I would definitely want the company logo as an IMG element.
If your company's site was to be viewed without the use of CSS, would you still want the logo the appear? I would.
--adam--On 10/10/05, Peter Ottery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do others think?1 vote here for
On 10/10/05 11:25 AM, adam reitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would definitely want the company logo as an IMG element.
If your company's site was to be viewed without the use of CSS, would you
still want the logo the appear? I would.
Really, really good point! Thanks, I hadn't thought of
ing (maybe more on the brand personality side of things rather
than the brand visual side).
R :o)
- Original Message -
From: adam reitsma
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Placement of company logo
My thoughts entirely.I would
Now that's a good argument, Richard! And just when I had been persuaded to
use img. hm.
On the second website I ever made using web standards I do have one logo for
browsers and a cut-down version for print. But when I was making the site, I
didn't know about putting images in the background
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Doing it this way IS good branding.
It's also about controlling HOW you want your logo to appear in
certain context. Anyone that's written a Corporate Style Guide will
know what I'm talking about...
Good point.
This Image Replacement method [1] allows this type of
Subject: *SPAM* Re: [WSG] Placement of company logo
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Doing it this way IS good branding.
It's also about controlling HOW you want your logo to appear in
certain context. Anyone that's written a Corporate Style Guide will
know what I'm talking about...
Good point
Richard Czeiger wrote:
That way you don't get clear.gif going in your otherwise
semantically nice mark up :o)
... but that way you don't get a clickable logo ;)
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
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oh dear
is it just me, or does this TIP method seem like the modern-day version of the spacer gif?
On 10/10/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Richard Czeiger wrote: Doing it this way IS good branding. It's also about controlling HOW you want your logo to appear in certain context.
: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: *SPAM* Re: [WSG] Placement of company logo
Richard Czeiger wrote:
That way you don't get clear.gif going in your otherwise
semantically nice mark up :o)
... but that way you don't get a clickable logo ;)
Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com
: *SPAM* Re: [WSG] Placement of company logo
I prefer the following IR:
div id=masthead
h1a href=index.html title=The Company Name Web SiteCompany
Name/a/h1 /div
in the stylesheet:
#masthead h1 {
margin: 0px; padding: 0px;
}
a {
width: Xpx; height: Ypx; overflow: hidden
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