Re: [WSG] Table v Container Development

2005-01-23 Thread David R 
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
Depending on the amount of hits they get, the
bandwidth limits they have, etc.
Whilst its always nice to include such information in our propaganda we 
hand out to clients, we do have to maintain a realist stance 
sometimes... most of our clients are small businesses and otherwise 
non-enterprise grade companies, their websites are not going to be 1000 
hits a minute e-business solutions, most hosting companies have 
bandwidth limits of around 25-50GB a month, and its very hard to reach 
that limit through XHTML alone, you'll be lucky to serve even 4GB of 
XHTML, CSS, and images a month, imho.

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RE: [WSG] Table v Container Development

2005-01-23 Thread Mike Pepper 
I deal with smaller clients, too, David and while I agree with your
comments, I run reseller hosting and when on a limited budget in a
cut-throat hosting business, those extra few Gigs often trip the switch to a
higher bandwidth package, especially if clients are using eBay or similar
commercial portal where mass interest can make a heck of a difference on a
specific product. Believe me, it does make a substantial difference.
Companies or sole traders on limited budget already have an acute eye on
spending and it's as well to do whatever you can to retain them by keeping
costs as low as possible.

Hosting is extremely competitive and by reducing code size by a potential 60
or 70% you can make a considerable relative saving.

Cheers,

Mike Pepper
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Whilst its always nice to include such information in our propaganda we
hand out to clients, we do have to maintain a realist stance
sometimes... most of our clients are small businesses and otherwise
non-enterprise grade companies, their websites are not going to be 1000
hits a minute e-business solutions, most hosting companies have
bandwidth limits of around 25-50GB a month, and its very hard to reach
that limit through XHTML alone, you'll be lucky to serve even 4GB of
XHTML, CSS, and images a month, imho.

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RE: [WSG] Table v Container Development

2005-01-22 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mike Pepper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, 23 January 2005 4:37 AM
 To: WSG
 Subject: [WSG] Table v Container Development
 
 Last night I redeveloped the index page for a commercial site in as an
 exercise to illustrate the benefits of standards-compliant 
 tableless design.
 
 Some interesting figures:
 
   Before  After
 HTML weight:  22Kb12Kb
 CSS weight:9Kb 3Kb*
 

Pretty nice. It's always good to be able to show such results to your
client. Sometimes it's also worth making a calculation on how much money
they can save through that. Depending on the amount of hits they get, the
bandwidth limits they have, etc.


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