Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
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Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Well, one of my minors at Uni SA has a subject/course of Accesible Interactive Multimedia, so your dream is my reality :) Thanks for that! ;p Kat ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Lloyd, are you an instructor? If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and they are happy to send you others. Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for students. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Lloyd wrote: Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ This would be my recommendation too. Unlike most technical authors Joe writes authoritatively and clearly, he doesn't take the WAI as sacrosanct, and your students will laugh their asses off at the book's cover. The good students, anyway. ps. The entire book isn't available online, just the meat of it. .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Ted, I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML 3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline styles in the second assignment). Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Lloyd On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lloyd, are you an instructor? If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and they are happy to send you others. Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for students. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Lloyd, can you tell us the university, the course/faculty and the year you did that course? Just to put it in context. By no means as a way of shaming them into the present... -Original Message- From: Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Ted, I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML 3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline styles in the second assignment). Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Lloyd On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lloyd, are you an instructor? If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and they are happy to send you others. Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for students. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Lloyd So sorry to hear that... I am fortunate enough to go to a school where that dream is a reality, so at least it's possible. Only wish more professors taught like mine. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
The course/major is Internet Computer, a BSc. The unit was run in first semester of this year (2005). I would prefer not to mention the name of the Uni to the list but feel free to add me to MSN ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or ICQ (18618174) and I will discuss it with you or anyone else who is interested. I must say that, to the absolute credit of the lecturer, they have adopted a new xHTML text book for next year, I believe largely due to my feedback. The lecturer, who I met with out of class several times, was largely unaware of the powers of CSS but a visit to pages like CSS Zen Garden really opened her eyes. They were aware of W3C and there was limited discussions about things such as colour blind users and a slide or two about things like screen readers. About a month ago I got an email, out of the blue, to visit her office. She thanked me for our conversations during the year and told me that the unit had adopted an xHTML text book for next year! Then she gave me a brand new copy of the new text book which must be worth over $100! At the end of the day if I had done that unit without my prior knowledge and experience I would never of known of the problems. I would not of said anything and things may not of changed. Lloyd On 11/23/05, Herrod, Lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lloyd, can you tell us the university, the course/faculty and the year you did that course? Just to put it in context. By no means as a way of shaming them into the present... -Original Message- From: Lloyd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 3:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Ted, I am not an instructor - I am a University student. For the one web class I have done so far at University (Doing an Internet Computing degree at the end of my first year) I was lucky enough to learn HTML 3. Unclosed and capitalised tags are what this stuff is all about I was told with authority. And using CSS in the first assignment? No that is beyond the scope of the assignment (But we were allowed inline styles in the second assignment). Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Lloyd On 11/23/05, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lloyd, are you an instructor? If so, check with the book publishers for instructor test books. I was able to get one of Molly H's books to see if it was appropriate for a class and they are happy to send you others. Zeldman's book isn't accessibility oriented but is a great foundation for students. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 4:42 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources? Hi, Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ :-) Lloyd On 11/23/05, ivanovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks I've been asked if there are useful university-focused textbooks or other resources suitable for teaching accessible web design. So far 'Effective website development' (Darlington) and 'Principles of web site design' (Skalr) have been proposed as possible options. Thoughts? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
On 11/22/05 4:42 PM Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ Does that comprise the entire book, then? Thanks Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?
On 11/22/05 10:45 PM Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Have you considered Building Accessible Websites by Joe Clark? You can read it for free online. http://www.joeclark.org/book/ Does that comprise the entire book, then? Never mind. There's a good explanation at the bottom of this page: http://www.joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/ Sorry for the list clutter. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
