RE: [WSG] Where are we with Frames?
They are both 'frames' but they are not the same. It's rare that you need to use a frameset, but there's no reason why you shouldn't. Well-designed framesets have performed well in all the user testing we have done, and I would probably go as far as to say they have worked better than JavaScript-based designs. I'm talking about disabled users with assistive technology here, not 'regular' users. iFrames have a fundamental problem that they have fixed dimensions, so increasing the text size results in truncation of the contents. A lot of third-party content providers address this by using fixed font sizes, which just introduces a different problem. Steve Green Managing Director Test Partners Ltd -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 26 October 2010 03:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Where are we with Frames? Are Frameset and iFrame the same thing that often get called as 'frames'? When I think of frameset, I think of this. http://cssremix.com/visit/when-it-drops/ When I think of iFrame, i think of a chunk of javascript that client asks to embed to his/her site, e.g., Google Map, Google Calendar or Payment badge. I don't have issue using iFrame at all, and just checked, HTML5 doesn't make it obsolete. tee On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Stuart Shearing wrote: I agree, traditional frameset layouts should be buried somewhere alongside blink, however I have no issue with iframes and I suspect we're going to see a lot more of them based on articles like this one - http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/07/new-way-to-embed-youtube-videos.html Stuart *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Where are we with Frames?
I'm sure this group would agree they are pretty much a no-no. Sent via iPhone: Joseph R. B. Taylor Designer/Developer --- Sites by Joe, LLC Clean, Simple Elegant Web Design http://sitesbyjoe.com Phone: (609) 335-3076 On Oct 25, 2010, at 8:25 PM, cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org wrote: How do people here feel about frames? cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Where are we with Frames?
How do people here feel about frames? Sometimes (not often) you might need an iframe, hidden or otherwise, to get around certain technical limitations, but there's no good reason to use framesets for layout, in my opinion. - James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Where are we with Frames?
I agree, traditional frameset layouts should be buried somewhere alongside blink, however I have no issue with iframes and I suspect we're going to see a lot more of them based on articles like this one - http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/07/new-way-to-embed-youtube-videos.html Stuart -Original Message- From: Joseph Taylor Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:51 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Where are we with Frames? I'm sure this group would agree they are pretty much a no-no. Sent via iPhone: Joseph R. B. Taylor Designer/Developer --- Sites by Joe, LLC Clean, Simple Elegant Web Design http://sitesbyjoe.com Phone: (609) 335-3076 On Oct 25, 2010, at 8:25 PM, cat soul cats...@thinkplan.org wrote: How do people here feel about frames? cs *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Where are we with Frames?
Are Frameset and iFrame the same thing that often get called as 'frames'? When I think of frameset, I think of this. http://cssremix.com/visit/when-it-drops/ When I think of iFrame, i think of a chunk of javascript that client asks to embed to his/her site, e.g., Google Map, Google Calendar or Payment badge. I don't have issue using iFrame at all, and just checked, HTML5 doesn't make it obsolete. tee On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Stuart Shearing wrote: I agree, traditional frameset layouts should be buried somewhere alongside blink, however I have no issue with iframes and I suspect we're going to see a lot more of them based on articles like this one - http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/07/new-way-to-embed-youtube-videos.html Stuart *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
