Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-16 Thread Jeremy Keith
Ted Drake wrote: Jeremy Keith recently spoke about using the class in the link to target a javascript to add the behavior, leaving a nice, clean link. In the case of PDFs opening in a new window, you might not even need to add a class. You could write a function that looks for the file

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-16 Thread Anders Ringqvist
Jeremy Keith wrote: Ted Drake wrote: Jeremy Keith recently spoke about using the class in the link to target a javascript to add the behavior, leaving a nice, clean link. In the case of PDFs opening in a new window, you might not even need to add a class. You could write a function that

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-16 Thread Thierry Koblentz
In the case of PDFs opening in a new window, you might not even need to add a class. You could write a function that looks for the file extension .pdf in the href attribute and open that link in a new window. Andrew Krespanis posted this link a few weeks ago

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Damian Sweeney
Hi Ted, I would say let the user decide. Wherever possible I try to provide enough information in the link itself so that the user knows what to expect and can proceed as they wish. Many people will set up their browser to deal with different file types according to their preference (open the

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Bruce
Prochnau BKDesign Solutions - Original Message - From: Damian Sweeney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy Hi Ted, I would say let the user decide. Wherever possible I try

RE: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Drake, Ted C.
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damian Sweeney Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy Hi Ted, I would say let the user decide. Wherever possible I

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Gary Menzel
There is a flip-side to the no new window recommendation.. Many of our users are very computer illiterate and giving them too many options confuses them. We do open our PDF documents in a new window and never have any complaints about it. We DO get complaints, though, when things are too

RE: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Drake, Ted C.
bypassing the issue of screenreaders and portable devices getting confused with multiple windows. Ted From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Menzel Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:18 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility - o

RE: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Paul Bennett
I'm not familiar with it being a 'web standard' not to open a new window for a link. Can someone enlighten me? Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints

RE: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
We have tested sites with both different behaviours on users and in most cases if the PDF would open in the same window the inexperienced users would accidentally close the window and as a result lose the website they were working with. It seems to be already in the users' minds that a different

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread standards
I completely concur with Gary as I have these types of files open in a new window for the very reasons he stated. Additionally, I've had users report that they close the window thinking that they're exiting the document, but they're actually closing the browser. Respectfully, Mario There is a

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Thierry Koblentz
I fall in line with Gary. I do to, it just makes sense I use this: onclick=window.open(this.href); return false; instead of target=_blank. This short script doesn't name the window, so it should spawn multiple popups. I'd use: onclick=window.open(this.href,'myPopup'); return false; As a side

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Gez Lemon
Hi Thierry, This short script doesn't name the window, so it should spawn multiple popups. I'd use: onclick=window.open(this.href,'myPopup'); return false; As a side note, some blockers kill these popups. The window.open function returns true if successful, otherwise false. You could use the

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Andy Kirkwood | Motive
Title: Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy Hi there, Could be that this discussion has drifted toward usability rather than accessibility. Accessibility considerations would be ensuring that users are advised of what will happened when they activate the link, either than

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Gez Lemon wrote: Hi Thierry, This short script doesn't name the window, so it should spawn multiple popups. I'd use: onclick=window.open(this.href,'myPopup'); return false; As a side note, some blockers kill these popups. The window.open function returns true if successful, otherwise

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Jan Brasna
I use this: onclick=window.open(this.href); return false; instead of target=_blank. +1 for onclick=return !window.open(this.href) - successfully tested with some blockers etc. - better than returnig false everytime (nothing happens then if JS is enabled but the window can't be opened). Or

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Ben Ward
On the whole, I'm very much in the 'user decide' camp. However, there is some argument for opening PDFs and other 'not-normally-browser-native' media types in new windows (citing the confusing ways in which plug ins behave). Personally, I like everything to download and be opened by a native

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread heretic
Hi, We've had a discussion at work about pdf documents and hijacking the user's browser / making it more user-friendly. What is the general feeling towards having pdf and other non-html documents open in a new window? I view PDF, .MS Office documents etc as *non web content*. That is, they

Re: [WSG] accessibility - opening new windows philosophy

2005-08-15 Thread Jan Brasna
If I'm sure the PDF is intended for downloading, not for direct viewing in browser I force its download with headers (like Content-Type: application/x-download etc.) -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The