Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Clayton Lengel-Zigich
There is this format for presenting quotes As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said, Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q More info here : http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/text.html#edef-CITE On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:57:09 -0500, Daniel Bowling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I consider myself fairly

Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Daniel Bowling wrote: shouldn't it be in a way that any reader can see the attribution? Of course. Unfortunately, this is a user agent issue, and no mainstream browser (as far as I'm aware of) exposes this attribute to the user. It *can* be visually displayed via CSS (:before / :after and the

Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Clayton Lengel-Zigich wrote: There is this format for presenting quotes As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said, Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q The problem with that (and yes, I know it's an official W3C example) is that it does not unequivocally link the CITE with the Q (not in the same way that,

RE: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Daniel Bowling
H. Lauke Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the? Clayton Lengel-Zigich wrote: There is this format for presenting quotes As CITEHarry S. Truman/CITE said, Q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./Q The problem with that (and yes, I

Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Clayton Lengel-Zigich
The problem with that (and yes, I know it's an official W3C example) is that it does not unequivocally link the CITE with the Q (not in the same way that, for instance, LABEL is linked to an INPUT or other form control via the FOR attribute). So the relationship between those two elements is

Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Clayton Lengel-Zigich wrote: That is a good point, however is there an instance where the two would not appear to be linked when viewing the page? (e.g. a screen reader or something) Ok, aside from any automated harvesting tools or whatever, consider the scenario of a screenreader user who skips

Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Paul Connolley
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: [snip] consider the scenario of a screenreader user who skips from paragraph to paragraph, and ends up on the second paragraph of this pciteHarry S. Truman/cite said, q lang=en-usThe buck stops here./q/p ... pHe then also said qsomething else entirely/q./p Now, assuming

Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Paul Connolley
On 22 Oct 2004, at 02:23, Paul Connolley wrote: [snip] consider the scenario of a screenreader user who skips from paragraph to paragraph, and ends up on the second paragraph of this [snip a whole load more] I'll reiterate that I see that I reiterated nothing. I've missed a bit out that I

Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Paul Connolley wrote: This is a perfectly natural English language grammar. Sorry, wasn't advocating changing the writing style, but having a mechanism in place to unequivocally tie a CITE course to Q or BLOCKQUOTE and have those pesky browsers actually expose that information to the user

Re: [WSG] blockquote cite=what the?

2004-10-21 Thread Paul Connolley
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Paul Connolley wrote: This is a perfectly natural English language grammar. Sorry, wasn't advocating changing the writing style, but having a mechanism in place to unequivocally tie a CITE course to Q or BLOCKQUOTE My apologies also if I came across wrong. I agree with