Re: [WSG] tabular data
Bob Schwartz wrote: I'm reworking a site to get it up to web standards. Tables should be used only to contain tabular data The simplest expansion of this is: - do *not* use tables to lay out a page. - use tables _within_ a page when dealing with tabular data. Would this be acceptable for using a table: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/org/org_jdg_sdt_lst.html The table in the center is definitely containing tabular data. That is: 'nbsp;' doesn't mean anything in a non-graphical browser, so there's no informational value whatsoever in it. The calendar is containing tabular data, so that's fine. I think th should be used in the top row of those tables. The page as such is *not* containing tabular data - even if it contains tables that contains tabular data, so table should *not* have been used to lay out that page. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] tabular data
Bob Schwartz wrote: Is there a definition of what is considered tabular data (or is it in the eyes of the beholder)? Would this be acceptable for using a table: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/org/org_jdg_sdt_lst.html This looks like a candidate for a table but my concern would be that the table is not well constructed. There is no thead, tbody, summary, scope... and where the judges are highlighted with an image there is no data. Rather, a class is used to style the cell. Have you checked this against the spec for html tables on the W3C site? Kind Regards -- Chris Price Choctaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.choctaw.co.uk Tel. 01524 825 245 Mob. 0777 451 4488 Beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder while Excellence is in the Hand of the Professional ~~~ -+- Sent on behalf of Choctaw Media Ltd -+- ~~~ Choctaw Media Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 04627649 Registered Office: Lonsdale Partners, Priory Close, St Mary's Gate, Lancaster LA1 1XB United Kingdom *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] tabular data
Bob Using tabular form should be the first choice; where you have what is naturally a table. What you have is clearly a table. I would suggest that if reworking this and really taking the needs of users into account; maybe breaking the data into a series of smaller tables (possibly based around nation) would be a good idea. It would then be more usable, making it easier to scan irrespective of whatever type of agent / browser they may be using. Regards - Rob Raising web standards : http://ele.vation.co.uk On 06/03/07, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm reworking a site to get it up to web standards. Tables should be used only to contain tabular data Would current accepted practices be: If it can be done without a table that should be first choice. or Is there a definition of what is considered tabular data (or is it in the eyes of the beholder)? Would this be acceptable for using a table: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/org/org_jdg_sdt_lst.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] tabular data
Chris, Georg, Thanks for the information. Regarding the table used to construct the page and the cent table not being well constructed, etc.: those are reasons why I am redoing the site. My only concern here was to have an example of what you guys consider a candidate for tabular data to use for making decisions in the future as to what can be put in a table. Bob Bob Schwartz wrote: Is there a definition of what is considered tabular data (or is it in the eyes of the beholder)? Would this be acceptable for using a table: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/org/org_jdg_sdt_lst.html This looks like a candidate for a table but my concern would be that the table is not well constructed. There is no thead, tbody, summary, scope... and where the judges are highlighted with an image there is no data. Rather, a class is used to style the cell. Have you checked this against the spec for html tables on the W3C site? Kind Regards -- Chris Price *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] tabular data
Is there a definition of what is considered tabular data (or is it in the eyes of the beholder)? If you would put it in a spreadsheet, it belongs in a table. Your example is tabular data. -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com standards: kay.zombiecoder.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: goatlady.wordpress.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] tabular data
Perhaps a logical definition of tabular data is data whose meaning is defined by its position in a set of rows and columns? [only makes sense in monospaced font] | BEST ACTOR | BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR | --- | | 2007 | Forest Whitaker| Alan Arkin| --- | | 2006 | Philip Seymour Hoffman | George Clooney| - In order to answer the question who got Best Supporting Actor in 2006? you have to use the table's rows and columns to locate the answer by its coordinates, so to speak. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Schwartz Sent: Tuesday, 6 March 2007 9:37 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] tabular data Chris, Georg, Thanks for the information. Regarding the table used to construct the page and the cent table not being well constructed, etc.: those are reasons why I am redoing the site. My only concern here was to have an example of what you guys consider a candidate for tabular data to use for making decisions in the future as to what can be put in a table. Bob Bob Schwartz wrote: Is there a definition of what is considered tabular data (or is it in the eyes of the beholder)? Would this be acceptable for using a table: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/org/org_jdg_sdt_lst.html This looks like a candidate for a table but my concern would be that the table is not well constructed. There is no thead, tbody, summary, scope... and where the judges are highlighted with an image there is no data. Rather, a class is used to style the cell. Have you checked this against the spec for html tables on the W3C site? Kind Regards -- Chris Price *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
