Re: [WSG] to many links, was narrowing the gap

2005-12-19 Thread Samuel Richardson

What are you serving that site off? a 14.4k modem?

The site looks like it should be broken into sections anyway, you've 
dedicated half the front page to navigation which is far too much, and 
far too intimidating. I would break the site into those top level 
headings (childcare, personal help  support), with the current sub 
links under those. If they want a further level under that then add them 
to the new top level heading homepages above.


Then to appease the client, offer to build a sitemap page (which is good 
for SEO anyway) that contains all the links to all the sections of the 
site at once, dedicate the entire page layout to this (like a tree 
layout). Make the link to that sitemap quite prominent.


After writing all this out the site is still loading(!)

Samuel



kvnmcwebn wrote:


The change below worked for me.


.mainleft ul {
margin-top: 0px;



thanks paul that simplifies it,

also
i always get stuck with these crazy navition schemes.
The client signed of on this layout with different content then came back
with loads more
subcategory links then he had originally. Its almost overwhelming, i think
that another level of navigation might be called for, that is- categories to
sub categories with a location filter as well. I dont want to use drop
downs.

Anyone have anythoughts on this?



example html

http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final6.htm


css
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index3.css

http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/nav.css


-best
kvncwebn


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RE: [WSG] to many links, was narrowing the gap

2005-12-19 Thread Paul Noone
The client will *always* come back with items they've not considered until
later and they will *always* see them as having enough importance to warrant
being part of the main menu structure.

Navigation is a beach and its elements can become as numerous as the grains
of sand that accumulate in the delicate areas of your SpeedosTM.

You need to insist upon a brief list of primary menu items for the sake of
appearance and ease of navigation. If properly defined these should be
intuitive enough not to warrant displaying all the child categories for that
section in the first instance.

From what I can see there are already more than enough navigation links on
the site. If the parent  toddler link has other items under it then I
would simply use a bullet menu on its own page for sub-navigation.

Better yet, I would be reducing the homepage down to just the H3s and using
them as section pages which contain secondary navigation.

If they're inflexible on this point then you can style your H3s to have the
submenus hidden initially and then display on click. This doesn't require
javascript or flyouts. Most, if not all, of it can be done with pure CSS and
a smidgen of server-side scripting.

Take a look at http://d81314.i50.quadrahosting.com.au for an example of the
dynamic menus I'm referring to. In this case I've actually got a third level
nested as well but you don't need to see any of them until you click
through.


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The change below worked for me.


.mainleft ul {
margin-top: 0px;



thanks paul that simplifies it,

also
i always get stuck with these crazy navition schemes.
The client signed of on this layout with different content then came back
with loads more subcategory links then he had originally. Its almost
overwhelming, i think that another level of navigation might be called for,
that is- categories to sub categories with a location filter as well. I dont
want to use drop downs.

Anyone have anythoughts on this?



example html

http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/final6.htm


css
http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/index3.css

http://www.mcmonagle.biz/mockup/nav.css


-best
kvncwebn


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RE: [WSG] to many links, was narrowing the gap

2005-12-19 Thread kvnmcwebn

paul and samuel, 
thanks for the sound advice, i will put it to good use.
I just realized that basically the home page is a site map right now!
-best
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