[WSG] Re: px em pt ???

2003-12-11 Thread Ben Boyle
Why doesn't anyone push the barrow saying Font sizes should be LARGE by default, and designers should MAKE THE FONT SMALLER if/when they don't like it. Why do we aim to please designers and expect users to make the adjustments? I don't get it. But then, I skipped all the subjects on typography at

[WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Ben Boyle
I wouldn't classify this as off topic, it's all part of the web environment and standards (or lack thereof) of real practical cases are all part of the discussion! imho. I have heard it is possible to configure a webserver in a way that when someone accesses a PDF/DOC (whatever file types have

Re: [WSG] form input

2003-12-11 Thread James Ellis
I've had some issues with validating XHTML with divs in a form. The not allowed here message. Anyone else get that? Cheers Jame Ben Boyle wrote: label.submitbuttons input ... wonder if just .submitbuttons input would work? Yep. This allows the submitbuttons class to be specified

Re: [WSG] PHP Question...

2003-12-11 Thread Bradley Wright
I'm probably a little late on the ball with this one, but couldn't you escape the ? characters? Like so: print "\?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"iso-8859-1\"\?\n"; Don't see why that wouldn't work. Of course it's almost the same thing... never mind. :) Beau Lebens wrote: that's

Re: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Bradley Wright
Miles, Generally when serving PDF type document at my place of work, we serve them using a custom HTTP header: header( content-disposition: inline ); (that's the PHP way to do it). This works for us because we serve most of our documents as BLOBs from the database. If you're not doing that,

Re: [WSG] Re: px em pt ???

2003-12-11 Thread Bradley Wright
While we're on the topic of text sizes, what does everyone here think of DOM driven style-switchers? (ala http://www.mezzoblue.com/ and http://www.zeldman.com/)? I'm thinking that it's possible people will miss these resizing buttons. What's the general opinion on these? Good idea? Maybe

[WSG] [OT everso slightly] Gramophone web site

2003-12-11 Thread Jonathan Baldwin
I just visited the web site of Gramophone magazine, looking for a CD review. I'm using Safari - the buttons on the site don't work, they're all just # links. I've looked in the source code and am wondering why they don't work before I email them and let them know. Any guesses it might be a case

RE: [WSG] [OT everso slightly] Gramophone web site

2003-12-11 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi Jonathon, It has dynamic menus that you're not getting in Safari. A good illustration of not testing (or caring about) cross platform compatibility. This is also a good time to point out that if you use these types of dynamic menus, you must point the initial link to a meaningful address (a

Re: [WSG] [OT everso slightly] Gramophone web site

2003-12-11 Thread James Ellis
Looks like they are using Javascript to launch links. Doesn't work in Firebird. Venkman gives it a big thumbs down. Error: document.newsnav has no properties Source File: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/inc/navnn.js.asp Line: 68 The JS file has an ASP extension. Gotta love those spacer gifs.

Re: [WSG] [OT everso slightly] Gramophone web site

2003-12-11 Thread Ben Bishop
It's broken. The menu uses Javascript to dynamically create fly-out menus. It doesn't work in my Mac/Safari 1.1 nor Win/Firebird 0.7. It does work in Win/IE 6 Without delving, I would hazard a guess that IE specific JS statements are disabling the menu. Cheers, Ben Jonathan Baldwin wrote: I

Re: [WSG] [OT everso slightly] Gramophone web site

2003-12-11 Thread David McDonald
On the topic of drop down menus, i've found Ben Boyle's menus to be extremely useful: http://inspire.server101.com/js/mb/mb.html I think Ben's a member of this list, too. The menus are built with plaint text, list items, CSS and a little javascript and seem to work very well cross browser,

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
Can I just say something??? yes. It has nothing to do with the article itself. I really can't stand urls like http://www.notestips.com/80256B3A007F2692/1/TAIO-5TT34F The only way you can access them are via a search engine or book mark, no one will actually remember a url like this, it is not

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Glenn Slaven
Taco Fleur wrote: Can I just say something??? yes. It has nothing to do with the article itself. I really can't stand urls like http://www.notestips.com/80256B3A007F2692/1/TAIO-5TT34F The only way you can access them are via a search engine or book mark, no one will actually remember a url like

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Tonico Strasser
russ weakley wrote: It is a debate raging around the web at present. There are other options that solve this problem: FWIW, a few weeks ago I created a layout with EMs as base unit. I've set min- and max-widths for better readability. http://www.webproducer.at/flexible-layout Tonico -- Tonico

RE: [WSG] The 5th pillar - was Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Taco Is this something for Standards or out of scope? Russ has this idea that there are 4 pillars of web standards: - validity - semantics - separation of presentation content - accessibility To my mind that last one generally refers to people with disabilities people using dodgy

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
Now for the classic: What if you're in a internet cafe and you don't remember the url? Personally I *try* and keep the url clean and easy to remember [domain] / [object/function] / [key/id] -Original Message- From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003

RE: [WSG] The 5th pillar - was Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
Hey Mark, I'm glad to see you could put to words what I could not. I totally agree with you, I like how you brought the status codes in the picture, it has been something I started working on at some stage, but like most personal projects I'd let it get dusty. --- Yes! I really think

RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Miles Tillinger
I don't suppose we're actually 'serving' the PDF or DOC as such, in that we only link to the file. As we have no control over the header of the file, the user's OS will handle it however it is configured to. Herein lies the problem... -Original Message- From: Bradley Wright

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Gary Menzel
Now for the classic: What if you're in a internet cafe and you don't remember the url? My response to that is that the Internet does not support portability of your personal configuration information properly. This is what I think needs to be addressed - not what a URL actually is or isn't.

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Miles Tillinger
If I had a dollar for everytime that I had given some a www-less URL verbally and they've just entered www. blah out of habit, I'd be a millionaire! Ubergeek: Ok, enter the URL 'news.google.com' N00b: [enters www.news.google.com] Ubergeek: No, no no, no WWW! N00b: news.google.com, without

RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
I hope it's not stupid, but how about the ol' Right-click and Save as? I haven't followed this whole post, but I know it annoys the hell out of me when I click a link and it opens up a new window and starts adobe acrobat (in the browser), starts loading the file, and consumes all my system

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Mark Stanton
Just some examples: 2 I actually type in from memory pretty often: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/ http://www.macromedia.com/coldfusion/ (which actually redirects to /software/coldfusion/ - very nice) and an interesting concept - each item/object has a unique keyword - tack .html on the end and

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
Hi Gary, you always have wise words, so I'd like to know what it is and why you are expecting? -- Over time, I am expecting we will find that the URL itself doesn't matter as much as it is made to at the moment. * The discussion

RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
Any more info on this? Doesn't it work the same as sending proper headers? -Original Message-From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, 12 December 2003 11:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank windowIf you are using

RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Peter Firminger
If you force a user to save the file locally instead of opening it in the manner in which their browser is set up to handle it you're taking away their control of default behaviours. I really recommend against this. Let the browser handle it. If they have only the Acrobat Reader,a PDF

Re: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread James Ellis
You could always tell them to enter http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] In Internet Explorer, that'd really freak them out. http://www.secunia.com/internet_explorer_address_bar_spoofing_test/ Now tell me that IE is a secure browser... CHeers James Miles Tillinger wrote: If I had a dollar for everytime

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Gary Menzel
Over time, I am expecting we will find that the URL itself doesn't matter as much as it is made to at the moment. I was trying to say that URL's/URI's are not really for humans. The URN (Uniform Resrouce Name) is what we are actually talking about. This is a specific form of a URI that is

RE: [WSG] OT: Opening documents in _blank window

2003-12-11 Thread Taco Fleur
If you force a user to save the file locally instead of opening it in the manner in which their browser is set up to handle it you're taking away their control of default behaviours. I really recommend against this. Let the browser handle it. If they have only the Acrobat Reader,a PDF

RE: [WSG] Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Peter Firminger
We must remember the origin of the Home Page. This was the page that your old Unix shell account browser saved their bookmarks to (the two I used to use were lynx and I believe the other was simply www). This page was (by default) the index document in your account directory

RE: [WSG] The 5th pillar - was Fixed Width Design

2003-12-11 Thread Ben Boyle
Anyway what I am talking about includes all the little things that give a site real polish, things like: - guessable/memorable URLs, - site structure (logical connection of content), - use of hyperlinks in the text, - googlability or search engine friendliness - tabbing between elements - font

RE: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?

2003-12-11 Thread Mark Stanton
Yes my firebird links toolbar looks like: - AClientName - a few links to tools relating to a client's stuff - Surf - links to various surf weather reports - Boards - various discussion boards - To Read