Re: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread JW
Hi all I have copied a page from my website and make the DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict just to see the diff btwn transitional and strict. You can see it here http://www.sodesires.com/about/strict.html Well thexhtml validation shows error but even after reading the explanation of errors, I still

Re: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread Andy Budd
On 25 Feb 2004, at 09:12, JW wrote: Hi all   I have copied a page from my website and make the DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict just to see the diff btwn transitional and strict. You can see it here http://www.sodesires.com/about/strict.html   Well the xhtml validation shows error but even after reading

Re: [WSG] double quoting

2004-02-25 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El mié, 25-02-2004 a las 04:24, Justin French escribió: Personally, I've been using single quotes for a few years, because it makes echo's in PHP a lot easier: echo div id='foo'{$bah}/div; is a lot easier to read than echo div id=\foo\{$bah}/div; I tend to single-quote the

Re: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread Martin Chapman
Hi Jaime On 25 Feb 2004, at 09:12, JW wrote: Hi all   I have copied a page from my website and make the DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict just to see the diff btwn transitional and strict. You can see it here http://www.sodesires.com/about/strict.html   Well the xhtml validation shows error but even after

Re: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread JW
Ooo I see! Thanks Andy/ Martin! Hmm any ideas in tweaking Dreamweaver to work with standards? As for open target in new window, if I want a new window, how can I achieve it with strict? I guessis preferences really although I do notice lots of website do not open up in new window but

Re: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El mié, 25-02-2004 a las 11:40, JW escribió: Ooo I see! Thanks Andy / Martin! Hmm any ideas in tweaking Dreamweaver to work with standards? As for open target in new window, if I want a new window, how can I achieve it with strict? When switching DOCTYPEs isn't an option, try

Re: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread JW
UsingMX 04. Actually really want to tweak it the way it generates the html codes. Like if I am working with strict thenI cantweakit to generate the html the way I want forxhtml strict. Hmm maybe dreamweaver can't becustomised that way. Sounds rather far-fetch. With Regards, Jaime Wong

[WSG] IE6 and 3 pixel out

2004-02-25 Thread Paul Ross
Hello folks, I have a fully valid XHTML transitional page that performs perfectly in the standards compliant browsers but refuses to behave in IE. The page is here: http://www.skyrocket.com.au/Concepts/Artform/index.html In IE 6 for example there is a 3 pixel gap formed between the

RE: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread Michael Kear
Yes, I use dreamweaver for all flavours of XHTML. You can customise it by editing the template files if what you want isnt in the preferences. In a default installation on windows theyre in c:\program files\macromedia\Dreamweaver MX 2004\configuration you can use any text editor to change

Re: [WSG] double quoting

2004-02-25 Thread Kristof Neirynck
Justin French wrote: div onmouseover=myFunc('foo','bah').../div will break terribly when converted to div onmouseover='myFunc('foo','bah')' This might actualy not be such a big problem if you HTMLEncodes your inline javascript. This seems to work in IE 6, FF 0.8, OP 6 and NN 4.7 (win) a

Re: [WSG] IE6 and 3 pixel out

2004-02-25 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El mié, 25-02-2004 a las 13:21, Paul Ross escribió: Hello folks, I have a fully valid XHTML transitional page that performs perfectly in the standards compliant browsers but refuses to behave in IE. The page is here: http://www.skyrocket.com.au/Concepts/Artform/index.html In IE 6 for

[WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology

2004-02-25 Thread Tim Lucas
Just received an email[1] from my SMH subscription stating they've launched a new website, SMH.com.au technology: http://www.smh.com.au/technology I have to admit. I was a little cynical and was preparing myself for an onslaught of presentational markup and zilch semantic markup. Off I went

RE: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El mié, 25-02-2004 a las 15:02, JW escribió: Line 89, column 11: there is no attribute name (explain...). form name=service id=service method=post action= form_service/dodosmail.p Yes, in Strict there's no name attribute for the form element, use id instead. Note that name *IS NOT*

RE: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread JW
Thank you very much Manuel.Now everything validates and converted all pages on my site except for thefavourite linksas I have the links to open up in new pages. Now I am confident to convert client's site to XHTML 1.0 Strict. Couldn't do this with everyone's kind assistance! Once again

RE: [WSG] DTDS and which to use?

2004-02-25 Thread Michael Kear
Well done Jaime, I remember only a couple of weeks ago when I converted my first one. I nearly wore out my delete key getting rid of all the extraneous crap on my pages. The size of the site is a fraction of what it was now, even though the content is the same. And I bet your site is now

RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology Hi Tim, thanks for yr kind words :) I was going to send a note around to the list when we fixed a few things up with it but just havent had time... ok, so few points: * yep, the new tech section is our first live site

Re: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Pete, Funny, I was going to mention this to the list but I hesitated. However, after your reply below I'm glad Tim didn't hesitate. I don't know about anyone else, but your reasons why, coming from such a high profile site, are a great advertisement/example to Australian clients of

RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology I'd certainly like to use them if you have no objections. of course not, its an important message. gotta get it out there :) we're going to try to put together a whats new about the design page on the site with some more

[WSG] W3C 1st draft of the CSS media type reader

2004-02-25 Thread Chris Blown
The first draft of the 'reader' media type. Published to get some early feedback, especially on whether 'reader' is necessary and implementable. http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-css3-reader-20040224/ * The discussion list for

[WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Universal Head
Dumb question but ... Do you repeat your META tags on every page of your site, or only the index page? Thanks Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] IE6 and 3 pixel out --- WARNING

2004-02-25 Thread Robert Moser
Peter Firminger blurted out: Windows users with low security setting should be aware that the page below has links to load some stuff you really don't want to know about. Be aware... Hopefully this was out of Paul's hands and can be fixed immediately. Paul? The first page isn't too bad,

RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Firminger
Good question Peter! Absolutely. The metadata is about the page not the site and should be unique (at least the title and description) for every page. Depends on how much metadata you use. This leads to a really deep discussion about metadata that we may have at some point, but in the mean time

Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Peter, Put them on every page of your site and ideally they should be specific to that page...as in This page is about... type stuff. Nick Dumb question but ... Do you repeat your META tags on every page of your site, or only the index page? Thanks Peter

Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Chris Blown
meta tags should generally be added to each page, listing keywords that are accurately relevant to the content on the page. Keep the list short and precise. Cheers Chris Blown PS. Not all search engines read nor care about meta keywords On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:16, Universal Head wrote:

Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Universal Head
Thanks for the replies. I didn't realise they should be specific to each page - I would set them up once and then repeat on every page. BTW, is there a site somewhere that describes them all? I have a few I use that I only half understand - 'Robots', for example, and 'MSSmartTagsPreventParsing'

RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Firminger
PS. Not all search engines read nor care about meta keywords In fact, we believe that only one (not too significant) SE looks at them at all and they would be far down the decision list there anyway as they are perfect spambait for spamming the engines with incorrect metadata. There is some

Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Chris Blown
http://literarymoose.info/=/synopsis/metadatum.xhtml http://literarymoose.info/=/destroy/metadatum.xhtml As with most of the Moose's work, this CSS technique only works in the most compliant of browsers. By adding an alternate style sheet you can actually view meta data on screen using this

RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Lindsay Evans
Universal Head wrote: Thanks for the replies. I didn't realise they should be specific to each page - I would set them up once and then repeat on every page. BTW, is there a site somewhere that describes them all? I have a few I use that I only half understand - 'Robots', for example, and

Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread James Ellis
Peter You can add your own meta data if you want. (take a look at the macromedia.com website - http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/fail_load_fp7.htm as an e.g). This makes it really easy for internal tracking of pages, internal searches etc - as Peter F said, the external

Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread Universal Head
Interesting - so why do we all religiously add meta descriptions and keywords, not to mention all the other stuff? Curious. Peter On 26/02/2004, at 4:14 PM, Peter Firminger wrote: In fact, we believe that only one (not too significant) SE looks at them at all and they would be far down the

[WSG] XHTML Basic 1.0

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Firminger
In looking for some other stuff on W3, I stumbled across this pagehttp://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/ The DTD is "-//W3C//DTD XHTML Basic 1.0//EN" Anyone had anything to do with this? I hadn't heard of it at all (maybe I'm ignorant and should spend more time trawling the W3 site). P

RE: [WSG] silly question about meta tags

2004-02-25 Thread FLYNN, Joanne
Title: Message The following sites describe each of the metadata elements which Australian Government departments and agencies can use to improve the visibility and accessibility of their services and information over the Internet. The National Archives of Australia is the maintenance

RE: [WSG] XHTML Basic 1.0

2004-02-25 Thread Mark Stanton
Yer... XHTML Basic - the only time I've seen it used is in DENG (http://claus.packts.net/deng/, http://mozquito.markuplanguage.net/). Basically this is a light weight browser written in Flash. It supports CSS1 2, SVG, XForms, XFrames and XHTML Basic. So why basic not strict or transitional - I

Re: [WSG] XHTML Basic 1.0

2004-02-25 Thread John Allsopp
Peter, In looking for some other stuff on W3, I stumbled across this page http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/   The DTD is  -//W3C//DTD XHTML Basic 1.0//EN   Anyone had anything to do with this? I hadn't heard of it at all (maybe I'm ignorant and should spend more time trawling the W3 site). We