I would of suggested wrapping a div with float: left around #sidebar_a and #content so when worse came to worse you forced #sidebar_b below the main content.However, that would require a major change in your source code. And seeing your are already using conditional comments to serve a .htc
Ok, one last try. My thoughts have little to do with semantics.
Semantics are based on standards and languages, and therefore if HTML
were dropped, something would HAVE to be introduced to replace it.
However, like the hCard format, trying to break the HTML structure to
add semantics to
I just read about this on another list. I thought others might be
interested. Target is a large, stylish but also discount, retailer in
the US. This should be a big case for web accessibility.
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Blind Cal student sues Target. Suit charges retailer's Web site
cannot be used by the
This has the potential for making some positive improvements in the
commercial web sphere. Target is not blind to good design. Their new
prescription bottles have been hailed as one of the best designs of the last
decade (I think they were designed by a graduate student before Target
purchased
From: Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This has the potential for making some positive improvements in the
commercial web sphere. Target is not blind to good design. Their
new
prescription bottles have been hailed as one of the best designs of
the last
decade (I think they were designed by a
From: Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The only thing I don't understand is how on earth does a blind
person pick out items that rely on a photograph (clothes etc)...
If you go to Target's home page, you will find, in the left column
what appear to be headlines describing sale and
The only thing I don't understand is how on earth does a blind person
pick out items that rely on a photograph (clothes etc)...
If you go to Target's home page, you will find, in the left column
what appear to be headlines describing sale and special items. They
are images - and there is
Dennis, thanks for that link, an interesting opinion, and one that flies in
the face of several court cases throughout the US (in particular Florida a
few years ago)
The New York State Attorney General offered a legal opinion
that all web site originating within that state are subject
to
So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person even see to read?Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Joseph R. B. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The only thing I don't understand is how on earth does a blind person pick out items that rely on a photograph (clothes
Alt text is read aloud be a screen
reader for those who have sight disabilities I believe.
Minh D. Tran wrote:
So
I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person
even see to read?
Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From:
"Joseph R. B. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Minh D. Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site
So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind
person even see to read?
-
It's read
Thierry Koblentz said:
Are you saying that you disagree with my interpretation of these articles
or that I am plain wrong?
Both. You have misinterpreted the articles, and have formed an opinion
based on that misintrepretation.
Further, you are defending your opinion by simply being contrary and
Blind Cal student sues Target. Suit charges retailer's Web site cannot
be used by the sightless.
... What I hope is that Target and other online merchants will realize
how important it is to reach 1.3 million people in this nation and the
growing baby-boomer population who will also be
From: Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It seems that for the author the bottom line is *consistency*
Consistency *is* the bottom line for usability. I have never
disputed
that. Nielsen also says use platform conventions. Creating a list of
links
to resources within a page is a convention for
Al Sparber:
Very distracting
Are you talking about when there is just the list of links is first and
you must scroll to get the first screen of content?
- even more so when there are mixed links some scroll to another point,
others load new documents.
Agreed. This is really about consistency
So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person even
see to read?
Minh,
Apart from screen readers that others have mentioned, there are also devices
such as refreshable braille devices, which transfer text into braille:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/russweakley/58957885/
At 12:22 PM 2/9/2006, Al Sparber wrote:
Getting away from the FAQ thing to links within documents, I find
that sort of navigation almost as annoying as popup windows. It
might very well be a convention, but I do consider it a negative for
usability. Very distracting - even more so when there
From: Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Al Sparber:
Very distracting
Are you talking about when there is just the list of links is first
and
you must scroll to get the first screen of content?
For me, it's any link that scrolls the page. I'm old enough to get
disoriented, I guess. The
Terrence Wood wrote:
Thierry Koblentz said:
Are you saying that you disagree with my interpretation of these
articles or that I am plain wrong?
Both. You have misinterpreted the articles, and have formed an opinion
based on that misintrepretation.
I disagree.
Further, you are defending
Terrence Wood wrote:
Thierry Koblentz said:
Are you saying that you disagree with my interpretation of these
articles or that I am plain wrong?
Both. You have misinterpreted the articles, and have formed an opinion
based on that misintrepretation.
I disagree.
Further, you are defending
I want to talk today about respect. For those of you who have not heard of
this concept, respect is sometimes defined as courteous regard for
people's feelings.
When you reply to a post on the list, you should at all times try to do so
with respect. Everyone on this list is entitled to their own
From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If a web designer further distinguished between links that jump
within a page vs. those that load a new page, would that obviate
your objection?
It would mitigate it. I find it easier to tolerate a FAQ or Q/A thing
if it's apparent that all of the
Hey Tierry and Terrance,
This is a respectful suggestion. Since Jakob Nielsen is not dead and
Useit.com is not the King James Bible, Talmud, Torah, Quaran etc., why
not email him and get his opinion on this. In fact, I asked his opinion
on this recent adlinks phenomena just today, where
thanks Russruss - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I have a question, so even if it's Alt Text, how would a blind person even see to read?Minh,Apart from screen readers that others have mentioned, there are also devicessuch as refreshable braille devices, which transfer text into
Thierry Koblentz said:
Both. You have misinterpreted the articles, and have formed an opinion
based on that misintrepretation.
I disagree.
So you keep saying, but your actions are different.
you use skip links on your site but are argueing here that every
link must load an entirely new
russ - maxdesign wrote:
Russ
Miss Manors
I respectfully would like to point out that Miss Manners may be more
to the point. However, Russ, you are perfectly capable of representing
big houses, it that's what floats your boat ;-)
Cheers
Mark Harris
Technology Research and Consultancy
Wow. Microsoft are taking very pro-active measures to assist the
developer community in fixing sites for IE7.
I received an email from someone on the 'IE7 compatibility team' with a
screenshot of our site in IE7 and a list of all our stylesheets with all
the filters and hacks identified that we
Have other site owners received any similar contact from
the IE7CPTTM yet?
no can you share yours?
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On 10 Feb 2006, at 10:49 AM, Cade Whitbourn wrote:
Wow. Microsoft are taking very pro-active measures to assist the
developer community in fixing sites for IE7.
I received an email from someone on the 'IE7 compatibility team' with a
screenshot of our site in IE7 and a list of all our
If cyberspace forums and message boards are the standard of measure, then common courtesy is anything but common anymore. The ability to put both distance and anonymity between one's self and someone else opens the way for people to say things they wouldn't dare say to someone's face. Sometimes,
Cade Whitbourn wrote:
Wow. Microsoft are taking very pro-active measures to assist the
developer community in fixing sites for IE7.
I received an email from someone on the 'IE7 compatibility
team' with a
screenshot of our site in IE7 and a list of all our
stylesheets with all
the
Why would you hack standards compliant code for Microsoft.
Ask if they would like to foot the bill or if they had considered
writing an application that was standards compliant.
Forget that as it may not have all the bugs and vulnerabilities that
we have come to know and love.
Yours
Stephen Stagg wrote:
I understand that this is already possible in most modern browsers but
it will never be used or properly implemented unless HTML is dropped as
a language. Worried about screen-readers? I don't see why, the
screen-readers would have to parse the CSS to find clues about
Russ, that was beautiful. The gentle sarcasm brought a tear of mirth to my
eye. ta. lol.
russ - maxdesign wrote:
I want to talk today about respect. For those of you who have not heard
of
this concept, respect is sometimes defined as courteous regard for
people's feelings.
When you reply to
As a blind web site designer who has his alt tag reading protion of his
screen reading software. I would say their should be both images and a text
description. I have come across many fully sighted (20/20 Vision( persons
that have difficulty with even the simplest images. I like to provide a
Terrence Wood wrote:
Thierry Koblentz said:
Both. You have misinterpreted the articles, and have formed an
opinion based on that misintrepretation.
I disagree.
So you keep saying, but your actions are different.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
Please see the bottom of this message.
you use
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
As a blind web site designer who has his alt tag reading protion of his
screen reading software. I would say their should be both images and a
text description. I have come across many fully sighted (20/20 Vision(
persons that have difficulty with even the
To clarify just a little more:
The purpose of their email to us was to make us aware of a
'compatibility' issue that our site has with the beta preview of IE7.
The compatibility issue is caused by our use of CSS filters. They
specificially highlight our use of Star HTML Hack, Selector HTML Hack
Patrick
which uses display:none and can't be shown
without javascript, among other things)
Most people have JAVAScript turned off, so I started to learn PHP.
Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Crest Saying
Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat
English - Fortune Assists The Daring
Web page
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
Most people have JAVAScript turned off,
According to what statistics? I think you'll find most people actually
have it turned on.
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http://lachy.id.au/
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I do not know if this is off topic, so please reply to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] A web site I maintain has a PDF to download.
The host uses apache so if I use .htaccess in the root directory with the
line:
addType application/download .pdf
Would I be correct?
Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Crest
On 10/02/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
Most people have JAVAScript turned off,
According to what statistics? I think you'll find most people actually
have it turned on.
Indeed. I can report from some recent testing on the sites I work on
Cade Whitbourn wrote:
The compatibility issue is caused by our use of CSS filters. They
specificially highlight our use of Star HTML Hack, Selector HTML Hack
and the Holly Hack.
I'm not sure what you mean by the Selector HTML Hack.
The problem with the * html filter is that they removed it
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
I do not know if this is off topic,
It's on topic because it's about MIME types, and MIME types are a standard.
A web site I maintain has a PDF to download.
The host uses apache so if I use .htaccess in the root directory with the
line:
addType
Greetings,
From my experience when I run into an IE bug (double-margin / 3 pixel
jog) that could use height: 1% to fix it, I use display: inline as an
alternative and it saves a hack in your code or one less reason to use a
conditional comment. I haven't noticed any problems with other
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
I do not know if this is off topic, so please reply to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] A web site I maintain has a PDF to download.
The host uses apache so if I use .htaccess in the root directory with the
line:
addType application/download .pdf
I've never heard of
Lachlan and Matt
Thank you for the information. I should recheck. Do you have information
about International web users?
Angus MacKinnon
MacKinnon Crest Saying
Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat
English - Fortune Assists The Daring
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Choroideremia
On 10/02/06, Angus at InfoForce Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lachlan and Matt
Thank you for the information. I should recheck. Do you have information
about International web users?
For the sites I referred to as having less than 0.1% of members with
Javascript turned off, the users are
On 09/02/06, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Russ
Miss Manors
Why do I get this sudden urge to humm The Commodores (She's a) Brick House?
And, and please do something similar for posting ettiquette. Just
looking at replies to this post there's two top posts which quote
your entire
Kenneth Fraser wrote:
Greetings,
From my experience when I run into an IE bug (double-margin / 3 pixel
jog) that could use height: 1% to fix it, I use display: inline as an
alternative and it saves a hack in your code or one less reason to
use a conditional comment. I haven't noticed any
On 10/02/06, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And, and please do something similar for posting ettiquette. Just
looking at replies to this post there's two top posts which quote
your entire message without any trimming...
To stay off-topic here, that's the mail app's preference, probably.
liorean wrote:
And, and please do something similar for posting ettiquette. Just
looking at replies to this post there's two top posts which quote
your entire message without any trimming...
Yes, I agree completely, though the issue of top posting is big can of
worms that often sparks great
matt andrews wrote:
On 10/02/06, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Angus at InfoForce Services wrote:
Most people have JAVAScript turned off,
According to what statistics? I think you'll find most people actually
have it turned on.
Indeed. I can report from some recent testing on
On 2/10/06, Rob Mientjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/02/06, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And, and please do something similar for posting ettiquette. Just
looking at replies to this post there's two top posts which quote
your entire message without any trimming...
To stay
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