Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kevin Futter wrote: Yes, I've argued strongly in the past that a list is not completely semantically-appropriate for breadcrumbs markup. Unlike breadcrumbs, a flat list does not represent a hierarchy, unless you nest them ... Of course I have to qualify this by saying that I treat breadcrumbs

Re: [WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups

2006-02-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Lachlan Hunt wrote: No, that just demonstrates how ignorant judges can be with regard to technical implementations. The article states: Off topic, but it made me smile thinking about my not so clued up higher management going on about adding a GIF to pages to mean image. If only they knew

Re: [WSG] A legitimate case for pop-ups

2006-02-21 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Lachlan Hunt wrote: No, that just demonstrates how ignorant judges can be with regard to technical implementations. The article states: Off topic, but it made me smile thinking about my not so clued up higher management going on about adding a GIF to pages to mean

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-21 Thread Designer
David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone, I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/ I have already checked it on several different machines and everything seems to be working fine. Today I received a call from someone saying that

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-21 Thread Designer
David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone, I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/ I have already checked it on several different machines and everything seems to be working fine. Today I received a call from someone saying that

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-21 Thread Martin Heiden
David, on Monday, February 20, 2006 at 21:47 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: On the subject of trying to please everyone I know that it is impossible to please everyone, but I'd like to find a method which makes the world better for at least one person without doing any harm to others ;-)

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-21 Thread David Nicol
Hi again, Thanks for all the recent advice. I'll modfy the CSS so that the site can better handle font re-sizing. I'm not sure how much success I'll have, though, as the current page layout does not really accommodate large font sizes. My take on this is that layouts should be tested against

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-21 Thread Jon Gunderson
David, It looks like they may have disabled the rendering of images (advanced tab of Internet Options), enabled the feature to ignore font color, font size and font family options (Accessibility button in Internet Options). Jon Original message Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:02:07

[WSG] [admin] list mail turnaround

2006-02-21 Thread Felix Miata
For quite some time I've had a problem with missed and late posts on this list. I've talked to my ISP, as I'm sure the SPAM volume they have to deal with contributes to the problem, but lately following threads here has been rather difficult. As example, early yesterday's Font Sizes - Best

Re: [WSG] [admin] list mail turnaround

2006-02-21 Thread Darren West
I too rarely get the start of most threads (although I got this one) Daz On 21/02/06, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For quite some time I've had a problem with missed and late posts on this list. I've talked to my ISP, as I'm sure the SPAM volume they have to deal with contributes to

[WSG] Internet Explorer problems

2006-02-21 Thread Roberto Santana
Hi guys! I'm creating a new website, I've uploaded the problematic page to http://2much4u.net/test/ Sometimes when I do scroll the text dissapears in Internet Explorer, by the way it works fine in Firefox, Opera, Netscape... The second problem is that the second "Las Salinas" is displayed

Re: [WSG] Internet Explorer problems

2006-02-21 Thread Roberto Santana
Forget it. I've solved the problem. Roberto Santana escribi: Hi guys! I'm creating a new website, I've uploaded the problematic page to http://2much4u.net/test/ Sometimes when I do scroll the text dissapears in Internet Explorer, by the way it works fine in Firefox, Opera,

[WSG] FireFox eating Div

2006-02-21 Thread Ryan Moore
Hello all, Wondering why firefox likes to exclude my #nav element out of the box model here. The sites CSS can be viewed in the source for readability. http://www.rockitdevelopment.com/test/ It works fine in IE but who cares about that browser. What is the method around this that

Re: [WSG] FireFox eating Div

2006-02-21 Thread Elaine Jordan
I'm assuming you want the border to go under the #nav also? If you remove float:left from the #nav element the border goes all the way under. Elaine Jordan WolfPack Web Design http://www.wpwd.net/ 720-690-1249 Ryan Moore wrote: Hello all, Wondering why firefox likes to exclude my #nav

Re: [WSG] FireFox eating Div

2006-02-21 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Ryan, You can fix that issueand shortenyour CSS a bit with this. I didn't test it in IE but it should be fine. * {border: 0;margin: 0;padding: 0;text-decoration: none; } body {text-align: center; } #wrapper {border: 1px solid rgb(204, 153, 102);margin: auto;width: 800px; } ul#nav {

Re: [WSG] [admin] list mail turnaround

2006-02-21 Thread Rob Unsworth
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006, Felix Miata wrote: For quite some time I've had a problem with missed and late posts on this list. I've talked to my ISP, as I'm sure the SPAM volume they have to deal with contributes to the problem, but lately following threads Perhaps I can shed some light here. I have

RE: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-21 Thread Jason Turnbull
Terrence Wood wrote: Jakob Nielsen responded to my request for clarification Jacob has used this request for his latest article http://www.useit.com/alertbox/within_page_links.html Regards Jason ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-21 Thread Kevin Futter
On 21/2/06 7:00 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin Futter wrote: Yes, I've argued strongly in the past that a list is not completely semantically-appropriate for breadcrumbs markup. Unlike breadcrumbs, a flat list does not represent a hierarchy, unless you nest them ...

[WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread Paul Hempsall
Title: Message I came across a strange issue last night while converting some XML data via an XSL template into XHTML. Issue 1: In the Head sectionof my XHTML I had an empty script element (see below). IE refused to load the page. FF had no problem with this. script

Re: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread Juergen Auer
Hello Paul, On 22 Feb 2006 at 9:16, Paul Hempsall wrote: I came across a strange issue last night while converting some XML data via an XSL template into XHTML. yes, there are some problems. I had the same problems creating output pages inside my main project 'server-daten'. Users can create

Re: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 22 Feb 2006, at 9:16 AM, Paul Hempsall wrote:   Issue 1: In the Head section of my XHTML I had an empty script element (see below). IE refused to load the page. FF had no problem with this.   script type=text/javascript src=nav.js/   To get IE past this line in the markup I had to change

[WSG] Plain text v HTML on this list

2006-02-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
A frequent request, which occasionally needs to be remade: could list members please use plain text for posting? It makes the posts much smaller in file size, which is kinder to those who only have dialup connections (yes, there are still some), but more importantly, makes the posts more

Re: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Paul Hempsall wrote: I came across a strange issue last night while converting some XML data via an XSL template into XHTML. Issue 1: In the Head section of my XHTML I had an empty script element (see below). IE refused to load the page. IE does not support XHTML at all. All of your

[WSG] Confusing the users...

2006-02-21 Thread Geoff Pack
Jason Turnbull wrote: Terrence Wood wrote: Jakob Nielsen responded to my request for clarification Jacob has used this request for his latest article http://www.useit.com/alertbox/within_page_links.html Regards Jason Ignoring the discussion of in-page links and jumping straight

[WSG] making table cells share equally

2006-02-21 Thread Ted Drake
Hi all you former table hackers out there. Ive got a simple question. If I have two or three columns in a table and I want the cells to share the space equally, what would you suggest? I dont have a width on these cells right now and if one cell has lots of content, its pushing the other

Re: [WSG] making table cells share equally

2006-02-21 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Feb 22, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Ted Drake wrote: If I have two or three columns in a table and I want the cells to share the space equally, what would you suggest? I don't have a width on these cells right now and if one cell has lots of content, it's pushing the other column to the curb.

Re: [WSG] making table cells share equally

2006-02-21 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Ted Drake wrote: Hi all you former table hackers out there. I've got a simple question. If I have two or three columns in a table and I want the cells to share the space equally, what would you suggest? I don't have a width on these cells right now and if one cell has lots of content, it's

Re: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 22 Feb 2006, at 10:00 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Nick Gleitzman wrote: Easy. In both cases, 'self-closing' elements is incorrect. Both script and div need full closing: /script and /div, whether they're empty or not. To expand on that answer: unless you're sending XHTML with an XML or

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-21 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kevin Futter wrote: While I can concede that an ordered list offers more chance of an implied hierarchy than an unordered one, I'm not keen on the amount of code required to produce the result, nor the concept of a series of nested lists, each with one element. I'm not keen on the nesting of

Re: [WSG] Confusing the users...

2006-02-21 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Geoff Pack wrote: If the users don't understand a particular feature of the web, one that's been around since its very beginning, then they (damn well) should feel insecure in their mastery. They are not masters (yet). If we don't confuse the users occaissionly, how will they ever learn that

RE: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread Paul Hempsall
Thanks for everyone's responses - a wealth of information, as usual. Nick: I'm using plain text now for my emails, I apologise for the inconvenience. PaulH This information is intended for the addressee only. The use, copying or distribution of this message or any information it contains, by

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-21 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
I thought it would be interesting to see what Yahoo says (and does) about breadcrumbs in their pattern library: http:// developer.yahoo.net/ypatterns/pattern_breadcrumbs.php They don't discuss the HTML, but looking at the source, I see they use an unordered list in some sort of template, as

RE: [WSG] Confusing the users... In Page Links

2006-02-21 Thread Herrod, Lisa
This is really interesting article in that it contradicts findings of a recent study we completed just 2 weeks ago. We recently conducted user testing on a site with 22 participants, which is a significant sample (often we test with 8 to 12). The demographic was 18 skilled workers and 4

RE: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread Paul Hempsall
Just a followup - in case anyone else was following this thread. I found a really informative page that expands on the answers provided on this list: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html I've also discovered (after trying to figure out why the W3C Validator kept saying my MIME

Re: [WSG] Plain text v HTML on this list

2006-02-21 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Nick Gleitzman wrote: A frequent request, which occasionally needs to be remade: could list members please use plain text for posting? Yes, absolutely! The following articles discuss the various issues further. Although they generally relate to USENET, most of the advice applies equally to

Re: [WSG] Confusing the users... In Page Links

2006-02-21 Thread Mike Brown
Herrod, Lisa wrote: This is really interesting article in that it contradicts findings of a recent study we completed just 2 weeks ago. We recently conducted user testing on a site with 22 participants, which is a significant sample (often we test with 8 to 12). The demographic was 18 skilled

RE: [WSG] Confusing the users... In Page Links

2006-02-21 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Actually, the interesting thing is that we met one of their usability consultants O/S recently, and were told that they don't actually do much of their testing with users. That it's mostly 'Expert Reviews'. But I'm sure he tests with users if he says he does. Not casting aspersions! A friend of

RE: [WSG] Confusing the users... In Page Links

2006-02-21 Thread Paul Bennett
Actually Mike, according to a recent Jakob Neilsen study, Jakob Neilsen is right 100% of the time. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brown Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:28 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG]

Re: [WSG] Font Sizes - Best practice

2006-02-21 Thread David Hucklesby
Martin Heiden wrote: I know that it is impossible to please everyone, but I'd like to find a method which makes the world better for at least one person without doing any harm to others ;-) Touché! (Have you read A theory of justice by John Rawls ;-)) Actually, no. But I just googled and

Re: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread XStandard
Paul wrote: I came across a strange issue last night while converting some XML data via an XSL template into XHTML. You can write your XSLT to output XHTML that follows compatibility guidelines. You can use the technique in this XSLT: http://misc.xstandard.com/wsg/preview.zip If you need a

Re: [WSG] Confusing the users...

2006-02-21 Thread heretic
Or do we just dumb everything down until we have some small subset that everyone understands? I've often found the Nielsen goes too far - beyond make it more usable, through to make it more stupid or even cater to such a low common denominator that average users actually start to get

Re: [WSG] Strange empty XHTML element issues in IE FF

2006-02-21 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: You can write your XSLT to output XHTML that follows compatibility guidelines. You can use the technique in this XSLT: http://misc.xstandard.com/wsg/preview.zip If you need a hand with your XSLT, contact me off the list and I'll be happy to help. If you're

Re: [WSG] Confusing the users...

2006-02-21 Thread Terrence Wood
Jason Turnbull: Terrence Wood wrote: Jakob Nielsen responded to my request for clarification Jacob has used this request for his latest article http://www.useit.com/alertbox/within_page_links.html Wow! there's my 15 seconds of fame. If he'd mentioned me by name I'd be immortal! The other

Re: [WSG] Plain text v HTML on this list

2006-02-21 Thread Terrence Wood
On 22 Feb 2006, at 2:50 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Outlook users should ...switch to a better mail client that isn't broken. Outllok can be configured to send plain text can't it? I usually don't bother to read the 1mm tall text it sends out (screenshots on request), unless I'm really

Re: [WSG] Plain text v HTML on this list

2006-02-21 Thread Joshua Street
On 2/22/06, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Feb 2006, at 2:50 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Outlook users should ...switch to a better mail client that isn't broken. Outllok can be configured to send plain text can't it? I think Lachlan meant that + bottom-quoting?

Re: [WSG] Plain text v HTML on this list

2006-02-21 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 2/21/06 11:10 PM Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: On 22 Feb 2006, at 2:50 PM, Lachlan Hunt wrote: Outlook users should ...switch to a better mail client that isn't broken. Outllok can be configured to send plain text can't it? I think Lachlan meant that + bottom-quoting?