Re: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

2008-09-02 Thread Breton Slivka
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:55 PM, David McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, For a while now, I've been operating on the principle Code for Firefox, hack for IE. That is, writing CSS for the most standards-compliant browser, and then making adjustments for non-standard behaviour. I said

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread James Ellis
Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising Webkit as a rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which is BSD and LGPL licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing Chrome as Open Source, meaning depending on the actual license, items like V8

RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
There is an interesting and very humorous comic that describes Chrome: http://books.google.com/books?id=8UsqHohwwVYCprintsec=frontcover#PPA19,M1 I like the multi-threading. -- The generation that used acid to escape reality is now taking antacid to deal with reality.

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread James Jeffery
I am looking forward to Google's Chrome browser. I have been on many IRC channels today, and on many forums and everyones talking about Chrome. Its got more hype than FF3 had, so lets hope it loves up to the hype. *** List

Re: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

2008-09-02 Thread Michael Horowitz
Why not just user Safari for Windows rather than Opera to get an idea how Safari works? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 willdonovan wrote: I would have to agree with the others here. Coding for / with FF is easier because of the

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Gregorio Espadas
I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/ I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/ Gregorio Espadas http://espadas.com.mx On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 6:37

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread James Pickering
Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/ I made a spanish translation of IE6Blocker, download it from http://espadas.com.mx/2008/09/01/bloqueando-internet-explorer-6/ Gregorio

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Michael Horowitz
IMHO it seems to me to be a violation of web standards to tell the user what browser to use. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Gregorio Espadas wrote: I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Jens Brueckmann
2008/9/2 Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/ In my opinion this is worst practice. First priority should be for a website to make the content available to as many people as possible. Browser

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Christian Snodgrass
I agree that it's not a good idea to flat out block someone from browsing your website with a certain browser. That reminds me of way back when during the IE/Netscape wars where half the pages you would go to had a block for one or the other. I think a better idea if you want to drop IE6

RE: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
Also Spracht Jens Brueckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my opinion this is worst practice. First priority should be for a website to make the content available to as many people as possible. Browser discrimination is at least as bad as accessibility and usability violations. I remember back

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Christian Montoya
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Jens Brueckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/2 Gregorio Espadas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I like the IE6Blocker from Chris Coyier, check it out at http://css-tricks.com/ie-6-blocker-script/ ONLY if a web application absolutely relies on certain javascript methods

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Christian Snodgrass
Yet another thing that is Facebook specific that I just thought about. I may be overstating this, since I have no actual statistics to back it up, but I'd wager that a very large part of Facebook's population is from the more tech-savvy generations, so their usage statistics of IE6 may be far

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Christian Snodgrass wrote: Yet another thing that is Facebook specific that I just thought about. I may be overstating this, since I have no actual statistics to back it up, but I'd wager that a very large part of Facebook's population is from the more tech-savvy generations, so their usage

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread russ - maxdesign
Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore. An interesting discussion. Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an absolutely huge and complex one. From what I can see, Facebook is doing the right thing... offering full support for latest

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread tee
On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:24 AM, James Ellis wrote: Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising Webkit as a rendering engine (also behind Safari and Konquerer 4), which is BSD and LGPL licensed. In turn Google say they are licensing Chrome as Open Source, meaning depending on

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread shaun
Google chrome is available for windows download ! http://www.google.com/chrome On Tue 2/09/08 10:18 PM , tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:24 AM, James Ellis wrote: Interesting to read the many comments on this. It's utilising Webkit as a rendering engine (also

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread Anthony
This may be acceptable for facebook if thier statistics indicate a low amount of IE6 users, however I think this is hardly acceptable for a majority of my audience, which includes many proffesionals who still run IE6 so they can use company intranets, etc. I would love nothing more than to

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread tee
On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google chrome is available for windows download ! http://www.google.com/chrome It has no Mac version! :( tee *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Anthony
Can't wait to get into the office!!! Regards, Anthony. Sent from my iPhone! On 03/09/2008, at 7:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google chrome is available for windows download ! http://www.google.com/chrome On Tue 2/09/08 10:18 PM , tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2008, at

Re: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-02 Thread dstorey
Quoting russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Most schools around here don't even allow win2k on their network anymore. An interesting discussion. Agree that Facebook is an application and not a website - and an absolutely huge and complex one. From what I can see, Facebook is doing the

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Bill Brown
tee wrote: Google chrome is available for windows download ! http://www.google.com/chrome It has no Mac version! :( Nor Unix. -- ~~~ TheHolierGrail.com | MacNimble.com | Cyber-Sandbox.com | Anytowne.com Bill Brown,

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Anthony
That was heavily talked about accross most topics already. Regards, Anthony. Sent from my iPhone! On 03/09/2008, at 7:41 AM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google chrome is available for windows download ! http://www.google.com/chrome

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google chrome is available for windows download ! http://www.google.com/chrome It has no Mac version! :( Nor Linux! (But they're coming... eventually.) -- Scott

RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Paul Bennett
Unless you're behind a firewall which requires proxy auth. In this case, you'll need to wait until tonight :( http://thingsilearn.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/attention-software-developers-dont-make-assumptions-about-my-internet-connection/

RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Paul Bennett
Hi Tee, According to product info, it's been in private beta for a while. This is the first public beta (well, to 100 or so countries anyway) Rest assured a Mac ( *Nix ?) version will follow soon :) Paul *** List Guidelines:

RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Spellacy, Michael
Heh. Looks like somebody at Google is a big fan of Understanding Comics By Scott McCloud. This is nice though. Regards, Spell Michael Spellacy Senior User Interface Developer TMP Worldwide Advertising Communications, LLC 205 Hudson Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10013 -Original

RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd
Just downloaded it. Seems that yet another blue chip is using a browsing phishing tool, this time it was to rely specific download instructions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spellacy, Michael Sent: 02 September 2008 23:11 To:

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Michael Horowitz
Just tried it. It is fast. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Bill Brown wrote: tee wrote: Google chrome is available for windows download ! http://www.google.com/chrome It has no Mac version! :( Nor Unix.

RE: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Thomler, Craig
I thought it was about the same speed as Firefox 3, though memory usage is much improved and the multi-threading has improved the speed of web apps running in multiple windows. Of course they could bite the bullet and make it red - then it would be faster...

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Jeffery Lowder
I know, I tired it on a couple of the more intensive ajax dependent pages I've been working on and it puts FF to shame. If people realize how much faster they can surf the web - this thing is going to take off big time. On 03/09/2008, at 10:01 AM, Michael Horowitz wrote: Just tried it.

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Blake
Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed. However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem affecting everyone or is it just our network? If

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Anton Babushkin
Google Chrome wasn't working for me in the office either, but I think its all due to the firewall and proxy that we have setup here. It couldn't seem to negotiate between the proxy and the installer. I just hooked it up to an outside ADSL connection (my work PC that is), and typing this Email

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Jeffery Lowder
working fine my end. On 03/09/2008, at 10:43 AM, Blake wrote: Indeed. We have some very clunky sites and they loaded almost instantly. I couldn't believe the rendering speed. However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in fact, I can't sign in to any google services).

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Ben Buchanan
However Gmail won't load on any computers with Chrome on at work (in fact, I can't sign in to any google services). Is this problem affecting everyone or is it just our network? If it's affecting everyone that's pretty massive fail for Google. We had that problem here but it turned out to be a

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread Blake
Oh, the browser works fine. I can access everything except google services which require me to login. It just attempts to redirect to their authentication page and kind of... stops. Loads for a while then nothing, just a blank white page. Again, only Google services, so kind of epic fail. On

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon...

2008-09-02 Thread James Ellis
You can grab the source from : http://code.google.com/chromium/ http://dev.chromium.org/Home and try to build it if you want .. According to the site, it won't (yet) build fully on Mac or Linux (http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux) but I'm sure it'll happen

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Rae Buerckner
You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php R On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Thomler, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I thought it was about the same speed as Firefox 3, though memory usage is much

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread tee
On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote: You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out policy/ copyrights/contact for my business. The

Re: [WSG] resent- Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread tee
On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote: You might want to read this and think about uninstalling it ;) http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_google_have_rights_to_all.php Just my 2 cents who had hired two lawyers to draft out policy/ copyrights/contact for my business. The

Re: [WSG] resent- Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Rae Buerckner
The list server is duplicating posts! You might want to read it all before you decide it may be a mistake, doesn't read like a mistake to me! R On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:44 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae Buerckner wrote: You might want to read this and

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Andrew Boyd
Tee, my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content providers: http://onblogging.com.au/2008/09/03/does-google-own-my-blog-if-i-post-through-chrome Cheers, Andrew On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Rae

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Blake
Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing? On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tee, my take on the legal stuff as it may apply to bloggers and other web content

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Anton Babushkin
people are just freaking over nothing. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that information back to Google or are people just freaking over nothing? On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Rae Buerckner
If they don't have that functionality built in to chrome yet, they certainly have written themselves a license to built that in whenever they want to. R On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: does Chrome actually record your browsing and send that information

Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Coming very soon... [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-09-02 Thread Blake
Seems about par for the course. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Anton Babushkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: people are just freaking over nothing. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: