[WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread tee
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Russ Weakley
Why go that far? Why not let this browser see the CSS and fail gracefully - or semi-gracefully as needed (as long as the content and navigation are accessible so that the site can be navigated and read). On 18/12/2010, at 10:20 PM, tee wrote: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread David Laakso
On 12/18/10 6:20 AM, tee wrote: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread tee
Don't have any base, I just think psychologically an un-styled page is better received than a broken page, and it makes the page loads faster too without nice transparent background images. I wouldn't called these two pages failed gracefully. They are semi-broken and PNG transparent images

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread G.Sørtun
I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an un-styled page as if the style sheet has switch off. Can this

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Anthony Gr.
Hi. I think, this example will help you: !--[if gte IE 6]!-- link rel=stylesheet href=style.css !--![endif]-- Best, Anton 2010/12/18 tee weblis...@gmail.com: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Anthony Gr.
Sorry :) !--[if gt IE 6]!-- ... of course. Best, Anton. 2010/12/18 Anthony Gr. ant.grak...@gmail.com: Hi. I think, this example will help you: !--[if gte IE 6]!-- link rel=stylesheet href=style.css !--![endif]-- Best, Anton 2010/12/18 tee weblis...@gmail.com: I am finally to begin

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Grant Bailey
Big companies such as Google and Youtube have had to deal with the IE6 problem on a large scale. Their pages display a warning message to advise IE6 users that the page may not display correctly, and suggest upgrading to a more recent browser. Personally I think it is reasonable to take this

RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Personally I think it is reasonable to take this approach, given the age of IE6 and its declining market share. However I would be interested in the attitude of other developers. Imho, we should take care of any layout issue, but not try to get fancy effects via extra markup, images, filters,

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread James Ducker
Imho, we should take care of any layout issue, but not try to get fancy effects via extra markup, images, filters, and other hacks. In short, IE6 should get layout fixes and miss on properties like border-radius, opacity, etc. So no need for a specific styles sheet imo. The reason for

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Andrew Stewart
Is there a js file somewhere that would allow me to just insert the following into my pages: !--[if lte IE 6]!-- script type=text/javascript src=http://cdn.domain.com/ie6.js;/script !--![endif]-- It would then pop up a warning to the user (but only once per session) that their browser was out

RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Thierry Koblentz
The reason for this is twofold though: firstly, you want to coax people off of IE6. I don't think that's our job... -- Regards, Thierry www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Eric Taylor
Good points James. When I think about cross-browser compatibility, I try to keep the following points in mind: 1 - Websites don't have to look the same in each browser. This doesn't mean that you can ignore how pages render in browsers you don't care about; it means that if Chrome displays

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Eric Taylor
Also, I forgot to mention - If you are looking to get people to move to a newer browser, simple implement a small banner, maybe static header or footer, that recommends some newer browsers. This can be added into your override CSS file for the outdated browser(s). Eric Taylor Elements Aside /

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/12/18 20:33 (GMT-0800) Thierry Koblentz composed: The reason for this is twofold though: firstly, you want to coax people off of IE6. I don't think that's our job... Who better? Wouldn't you rather IE6/7 disappear sooner than later? You enjoy the extra effort the too many years

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Eric Taylor
Agreed. Our job is to provide the best web experience the user can have. To do this, the user will optimally have the most up-to-date browser, as to experience the latest web technology available. Eric Taylor Elements Aside / http://www.elementsaside.com On Dec 18, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Felix

Re: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Ben Buchanan
On 18 December 2010 22:20, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: I am finally to begin to stop supporting IE6 starts from 2011 as the usage has fallen below 5%. I don't want the IE6 users to see a broken page due to no special treatment made for the browser, rather, I would like them to see an

Re: [WSG] Order of Tags within head (XHTML)

2010-12-18 Thread Ben Buchanan
On 15 December 2010 13:31, Michal Miksik mmik...@gmail.com wrote: I was advised by an SEO company that : The Title tag should be the first tag in the HEAD area of the web pages, otherwise search engines may overlook it which will significantly damage the rankings. What is the best

RE: [WSG] disallow IE6 to load the main style sheet

2010-12-18 Thread Thierry Koblentz
The reason for this is twofold though: firstly, you want to coax people off of IE6. I don't think that's our job... Who better? Wouldn't you rather IE6/7 disappear sooner than later? You enjoy the extra effort the too many years of its massive non-conformity causes? Most people who

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2010-12-18 Thread Nicholas Bower
Hi Mods can you possibly drop emails from list and digest with subject containing out of office or autoreply?? 20-50% (at times) of emails I get from this list are a digest wholly consisting of ringing out of office responses. Pretty standard list filter to apply. And for the people doing this