Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Andrew Maben
Nick Roper wrote: Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input fields on a form by using the Enter key - i.e. to replicate the action of the Tab key. I've seen examples of Javascript code to do this, but I'd be interested in any feedback on whether there

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Andrew Maben
programs use enter to move between fields? It is actually quite common in very heavy data- centric applications. - --- *From: *Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject: *Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

Re: [WSG] Standards and usability (was: Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor)

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 28, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Mike Brown wrote: or even what makes a good usability consultant Perhaps, but I think what makes for usability itself should be a concern to us all. What are standards for after all? Is writing valid code an end in itself, or a means to an end? As I see it, it

Re: [WSG] PopUp windows

2007-03-07 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 7, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Designer wrote: People who use Windows (= the majority) are always creating 'new windows' on the PC - mail, browser, spreadsheet, help files, opening files, saving them, printing them etc etc ad inf. And this is different because . . . ? Because they are, at

Re: [WSG] PopUp windows

2007-03-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:19 PM, Ricky Onsman wrote: Observational testing should be required practice for anyone building websites, I would have thought, especially to explore the practical applications of implementing standards (which for the record I am keen on but a long way from achieving).

Re: [WSG] web accessibility-some thoughts

2007-03-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:48 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote: First a disclaimer: This post does not reflect my personal views on web accessibility or handicapped persons, it is merely a collection of academic thoughts triggered by various posts of the past few days. How and why did the web get

Re: [WSG] target and accessibility

2007-03-12 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Designer wrote: So I repeat : 20 items for sale would have to be: Buy now, Buy it now, etc... I may be late to the party with this, but I think what they're looking for would be: a href=LINK title=Buy TITLE 1 nowBuy Now/a a href=LINK title=Buy TITLE 2 nowBuy

Re: [WSG] Brand logos with links to home

2007-03-19 Thread Andrew Maben
I agree w/ Paul + alt/title tags Andrew 109B SE 4th Av Gainesville FL 32601 Cell: 352-870-6661 http://www.andrewmaben.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. On Mar 17, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Paul Novitski wrote: At 3/17/2007 07:27

Re: [WSG] Photo gallery markup semantics

2007-05-22 Thread Andrew Maben
On 22 May 2007, at 15:35:34, Jason Robb wrote: The main reason I even considered a table is because the anchors leave an empty space between the images. This may be heresy, but I think this might be a perfectly legitimate use of a (properly marked-up) table? Andrew 109B SE 4th Av

[WSG] Design vs Standards

2007-05-25 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 25, 2007, at 7:08 AM, Stephen Kelly wrote: On 25/05/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since there are increasingly many different browsers/hardware/OS all of which will present your design differently, designers actively styling pages as they see fit are not

Re: self-closing tags in HTML, was: [WSG] A CMS for POSH sites?

2007-05-29 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 29, 2007, at 9:26 AM, David Dorward wrote: Because, in an HTML document, an XHTML style img tag unambiguously means An image element followed by a greater than sign. Sorry to be dense, I'm trying to grasp this concept. Does (at least strictly speaking) the inclusion of a forward

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-06-01 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jun 1, 2007, at 12:08 AM, Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:31:28 -0500, Tim Offenstein wrote: Anyone have a recommendation on what size screen to use as a baseline when designing for a new site? 800x600 or 1024x768 or something else? I do base designs for 1024, but I make sure

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-06-01 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jun 1, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Or, quit thinking like a print designer. Embrace the variability that is a browser viewport. Size relatively, which can work for 200x400 and all the way up as high as high gets. With respect, I think this is a rather over simplistic

Re: [WSG] Use of PDFs - Accessibility issues

2007-06-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jun 7, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Nick Roper wrote: Just to confirm, the recommendation from the agency is to replace existing html content with PDF version, not to provide PDFs as an additional alternative. Nick, you've made it fairly clear that your question is about

Re: [WSG] Page Structure

2007-07-02 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Tony Crockford wrote: Why is the company logo and strap line the most important thing on every page of a web site. OR - why does most important *thing* on the page have to correspond to h1? Take a newspaper: arguably the most important *thing* on the front

Re: [WSG] Select that goes to a new URL

2007-07-10 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:20 PM, Paul Collins wrote: form action=post action=http://localhost/includes/redirect.php;; name=selectCourse id=selectCourseForm Should be : method=post NOT action=post But I have to wonder why the need to use this method to form a purely navigational function..?

Re: [WSG] Visual Design Of Websites

2007-07-12 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jul 11, 2007, at 8:44 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: ..but seriously, I have *never* seen an ad for a Graphic Designer (or worse, mislabeled Web Designer) that looked for anything but Photoshop/Illustrator, possibly Flash, proficiency. Nothing about BA/IA/UX/ID. Zip. Zed. In my experience,

Re: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jul 24, 2007, at 1:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That way the customer doesn't go wondering thru the other website and forget to come back to mine. If you go to the mall, would you be happier if every store you entered assigned a staff member to accompany you so you don't forget to

Re: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?

2007-08-15 Thread Andrew Maben
On Aug 14, 2007, at 6:07 PM, Andrew Boyd wrote: It is scary that people still make the distinction between “design” and “usability/accessibility/fitness for purpose”. Exactly! While “usability/accessibility/fitness for purpose” alone do not define good design, good design *must* encompass

Re: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?

2007-08-15 Thread Andrew Maben
On Aug 14, 2007, at 6:14 PM, Philip Kiff wrote: ...you are not approaching the client-designer relationship in a way that means the customer is always right. You are rather approaching it from a perspective that the customer does not know what is right... The client is hiring you,

Re: [WSG] IE, alpha transparency and sliding doors...

2007-08-22 Thread Andrew Maben
On Aug 22, 2007, at 1:00 PM, David Hucklesby wrote: ...all the gunk with which Adobe products infest PNG files. I may be mistaken here, but I think the gunk can be dispensed with by using Save For Web rather than simply Save or Save As. Although it may be gunk on the web, this information

[WSG] Calendars and tables

2007-09-14 Thread Andrew Maben
I think there's more or less consensus that a calendar is tabular data. For one month that seems fine: th for days of the week, td for dates of the month (+ events on those days). So what about an entire year? Is a table of tables permissible? Or should one somehow cram all the information

[WSG] Target class action

2007-10-03 Thread Andrew Maben
Judge allows class action against Target Web site: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071003/wr_nm/target_blind_dc_4 This might advance the cause of standards and accessibility, one might hope... Andrew *** List Guidelines:

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-04 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 4, 2007, at 12:23 AM, Michael MD wrote: Opening the door to yet more lawsuits... In 2000, Bruce Maguire's accessibility complaint against the Olympics.com website was upheld. Did this lead to a spate of frivolous, discriminatory lawsuits in Australia? As none of the advocates of

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-04 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 4, 2007, at 1:01 AM, Michael MD wrote: I think the best response to ignorance is education ... not lawsuits... But as Target chose to dismiss attempts at education? Obviously education is preferable to recourse to law, but education sometimes fails. That's how people end up in

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-05 Thread Andrew Maben
What is baffling about Target's position here is that while on the question of the web site they behave like ignorant trolls, meanwhile they managed to really break ground in usability with their prescription delivery system - http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-05 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 5, 2007, at 3:15 AM, Christie Mason wrote: There are many ways to change a culture, but legislating is not one of them. I'm sorry, but I can't let that blatantly false statement go unchallenged. History is full of examples of changes for the better and for the worse brought about

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-05 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 5, 2007, at 4:57 AM, Michael MD wrote: If a company shuts down their website because they are being sued does that make it more accessable? Examples of this happening? Andrew *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 8, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: as in the long run, they'll ALWAYS be more trouble than they're worth Yep. An old truism: the less they pay, the more they want. But as to the cost of compliant, accessible HTML, does anyone *not* find it quicker and easier (and hence

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Designer wrote: Look at the work he's produced : http://www.seftonphoto.co.uk. sigh yes, I'm afraid you're right... I've been hand-coding since the day I found Pagemill (remember Pagemill?!?) wouldn't do what I wanted. And there's certainly a learning curve

Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links

2007-10-17 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Rick Lecoat wrote: can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding a mailto: link? To answer a question w/ a question: I have started encoding email address strings, but your question makes me wonder how accessible this may be? How

Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links

2007-10-17 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 17, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: All that would take for a spambot is to do a two-pass: replace all encoded entities, then scan the result for email-address-like patterns. Trivial. Thanks, Patrick - guess I'll abandon that effort... Andrew

Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links

2007-10-19 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 18, 2007, at 4:19 PM, Dejan Kozina wrote: Anybody (Mac Linux browsers...) wants to take a ride? The thing is up there at http://www.kozina.com/mailtest/ . Let us know of your results. worked for me: MacOS 10.4.9/Safari 2.0.4 Andrew

Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash

2007-10-26 Thread Andrew Maben
On Oct 26, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Michael Kear wrote: Good lord I’m glad you don’t run my development process. Let bloody debian fix their problem! Why should I have to spend MY time fixing things because they don’t get it right??? ... you are not fit to manage a commercial development

[WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page

2007-11-20 Thread Andrew Maben
There was a note on Macintouch about this page: http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/renew/renew_833.html Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10 shows a blank page, but viewing page source is quite interesting - anyone care to comment? Andrew http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a

Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page

2007-11-20 Thread Andrew Maben
My point was not that there are environments in which it works, but the fact that a government page is totally inaccessible in Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10. The comments I'd hoped to provoke would refer to the coding practices resulting in the interesting page source vis a vis web

Re: [WSG] Colors for web design

2007-12-14 Thread Andrew Maben
On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Michael Horowitz wrote: ...color combinations for use on the web. These might help: http://vandelaydesign.com/blog/design/find-the-perfect-colors-for- your-website/ and of course don't forget colour blindness accessibility: http://wickline.org/ref/colorlab/

Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-17 Thread Andrew Maben
On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:17 PM, Michael Horowitz wrote: Ask yourself where have you ever seen government controlled economies beat a free market one. This is not about government CONTROL, but government REGULATION. And no they are not the same thing. But this is (supposed to be) a web

Re: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:30 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Why would we need to group containers together if it is not for styling purpose? Because we're saying that anything in the container belongs together (thematically, content-wise, logically, etc). On Jan 8, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Thierry

[WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-09 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:58 AM, Steve Green wrote: standards-compliant designers represent perhaps 1% of the industry is this really the figure - any sources? very depressing - and doesn't help those in a similar position to mine - The Florida Library Association (of which our director was

Re: [WSG] Cannot go back

2008-01-17 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:11 AM, Jamie Stewart wrote: One is by using JavaScript, history.back() is what you will want to use. If you don't want to use JavaScript it is possible through code, well with .Net at least. You can easily access the UrlRefferer which gives you the full URL of the

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-30 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 29, 2008, at 7:38 PM, Casey Farrell wrote: IE8 _will_ be the most popular web browser it ain't necessarily so... first of all prevalent is not equivalent to popular, but IE was not always the most prevalent browser, and is once again losing some of the market share that it unfairly

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-30 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 29, 2008, at 10:10 PM, Jermayn Parker wrote: and then we will see the infamous pre-2000 days with websites reading: This is best viewed using Internet Explorer 6 Would it be so bad if this was This site is best NOT viewed with IE?? Come on - Let's not break the web - it's already

Re: [WSG] hello - [OT] - better the quality of the list

2008-02-15 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 15, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Matt Fellows wrote: With no offense intended to the list moderators, I feel the usefulness of this mailing list is diminishing due to an increase in irrelevant and lazy postings. ... Out on a limb here - does anybody else feel the same? If so, do you have a

[WSG] Site review

2008-02-25 Thread Andrew Maben
I'm almost done with a site redesign, and the time is right to ask for your opinions: http://beta.www.aclib.us for comparison, the current site is: http://www.aclib.us I'm aiming for HTML 4.01 Strict compliance, and am periodically running the W3C Validator, so no need to notify me of

Re: [WSG] Site review - alachua co library

2008-03-04 Thread Andrew Maben
that if there were no glaring errors, that is in large part due to the invaluable tips and hints I've picked up from careful daily reading of this list. Thanks! Andrew On 2008/02/25 10:31 (GMT-0500) Andrew Maben apparently typed: I'm almost done with a site redesign, and the time is right

Re: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-07 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 7, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Michael MD wrote: when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users as IE7 users. This prompted me to look back at our logs (US public library: 10 branches, about a million circulating items, and in a town with a large state university

Re: [WSG] META content-lang. declared but showing up different (for one person reporting)

2008-03-20 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 20, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Kristine Cummins wrote: showing in another language and/or foreign characters... I don't know if this is applicable, but I was opening/closing fonts on my Mac the other day to work on a project in Illustrator - to my dismay, I found sections of various sites

Re: [WSG] premature to test/worry new site for IE8?

2008-03-21 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 21, 2008, at 6:52 AM, tee wrote: make sure my code will work for IE8... That's about as reasonable a request as booking a Caribbean cruise in hurricane season and asking the cruise company to guarantee fair weather... Andrew

Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-27 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Michael Horowitz wrote: I can't imagine its better practice to replace it with javascript. No, better practice is to avoid foisting new windows on users altogether. (IMHO - but I don't think I'm alone...) Andrew

Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-27 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 27, 2008, at 12:11 PM, Rob Kirton wrote: of course you are right there, however if the brief says so I know, I know... sigh / I'm in the middle of half a dozen conversations in which which I'm being commanded to make hideous assaults on usability - but I do feel duty-bound in

Re: [WSG] a target=” blank” not part of xhtml

2008-03-28 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 28, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: Perhaps if you've never seen or used one, it's hard to conceptualize, but they exist. Ouch... However if the subject is still opening new windows vis a vis the target attribute, it seems to me hard to conceptualize a web app that

Re: [WSG] USERS - was [Why is u deprecated?]

2008-03-31 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 31, 2008, at 7:04 AM, Roberto Castaldo wrote: If you look at an underlined text, what is your very first idea about it?, and they ALL answered: That's a really important text!!! Strictly in the context of text, underlined text is a typographical relative of the double-space

Re: [WSG] Dreamweaver8

2008-04-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Apr 7, 2008, at 8:10 AM, John Hancock wrote: Please, please, please everyone. Discuss web standards on the web standards group mailing list, and my text/WYSIWY editor is better than yours on the HTML Editors mailing list... If there isn't one, feel free to set it up. thanks, Grumpy

Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

2008-04-29 Thread Andrew Maben
On Apr 29, 2008, at 5:22 AM, James Jeffery wrote: What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a feature thats been put into IE and not Mozilla? Alas, all too many... can you say ActiveX? how about .NET? Whatcha gonna do when boss/client demands some glitzy gizmo found on

Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

2008-04-29 Thread Andrew Maben
On Apr 29, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Joseph Ortenzi wrote: Most of what I've seen people put into ActiveX and .NET can be done otherwise by clever developers and still be standards compliant or at least, cross-browser-compliant. If you need to write proprietary code that is browser specific you

[WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-29 Thread Andrew Maben
I'm finding myself having to justify my work methods to a boss who has almost zero interest in usability, accessibility or standards. (Though I have managed to get into the long-term plan: ...website that is compliant with W3C standards and Section 508...) One question that has been raised

Re: [WSG] JS Image Slider

2008-04-30 Thread Andrew Maben
On Apr 30, 2008, at 7:17 AM, James Jeffery wrote: could be the case when a user has JS enabled and not CSS I'm having a hard time picturing the circumstances that would prompt a user to choose this option - surely, if such a case does indeed exist, it must rare as ... (pick your cliche).

Re: [WSG] transitional vs. strict

2008-04-30 Thread Andrew Maben
On Apr 30, 2008, at 9:59 AM, Joseph Taylor wrote: stick with HTML 4.01 Strict while the work is completed on (X)HTML5 IMHO (and given the depth and breadth of the replies to my original post I'm feeling very humble right now, as well as extremely grateful to you all) - I do think that

Re: [WSG] making big selections

2008-05-02 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 2, 2008, at 1:04 AM, Andrew Harris wrote: Been having problems with deciding on the best user interface for a particular type of form input (for an intranet application). When we have a list of values from which a user can select one or more items, there are a couple of choices. - we

Re: R: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?

2008-05-04 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 4, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Viable Design wrote: W3Schools is not related to or sanctioned by the W3C. and enjoys a certain notoriety for sometimes offering less-than- perfect advice. though when I'm in a hurry I still find it a useful resource as an aide memoire... Andrew

Re: [WSG] Colour accessibility/ usability

2008-05-05 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 5, 2008, at 8:58 AM, McLaughlin, Gail wrote: There are two people I know of in my company (over 100,000 people) who can see the color red fine in the real world, but cannot read red text , typically error messages, on a computer screen. They did not know they had a problem until

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 7, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: people think it doesn’t matter what a site looks like as long as it is accessible. Sadly true. But in fact what a site looks like can have a huge impact on its accessibility. I think that notion stems from a rather misplaced notion

Re: [WSG] Embed a flash file 100%

2008-05-12 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 12, 2008, at 9:58 PM, Laert Jansen wrote: I can´t find out why that white area is showing on the top Well, I'm pretty out of touch with Flash, but looking at your page source I was struck by: var so = new SWFObject(main.swf, main, 100%, 100%, 8, #ff); Could that #ff

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-16 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 16, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Ian Chamberlain wrote: Fingers crossed this is not too far off topic; being a newby to PHP; any clues where I can find how-to's, snippets, libraries or even application suites built from PHP that are built to a good minimum standard please. I am guessing

Re: [WSG] a question concering shopping cart function (somewhat usability issue I think)

2008-05-21 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 21, 2008, at 3:44 AM, walied yossry wrote: In such a situation, either the user(buyer) added something to the shopping cart, and still wants to add some other stuff, we will call this case A, or the user(buyer) just wanted this single item case B. I think in either case a user

Re: [WSG] a question concering shopping cart function (somewhat usability issue I think)

2008-05-21 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 21, 2008, at 11:20 PM, Adam Martin wrote: I have no success in selling accessibility when I try to find clients, nobody buys it Sadly, that's probably true enough. But usability is much easier to sell - especially if framed in terms of you do want your customers to be able to find

Re: [WSG] Alt versus Title Attribute

2008-05-27 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 27, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Andrew Freedman wrote: kate provided the following information on 28/05/2008 5:21 AM: The alt tag which is'nt really the right discription is really called the attribute tag. Kate Patrick H. Lauke also provided the following information on 28/05/2008 5:33 AM:

Re: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming

2008-07-03 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jul 3, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Al Sparber wrote: an irrational fear of scrollbars When a block of text exceeds the viewport width, that means horizontal scrolling for *each line* - a royal PITA. If a right hand column falls outside the viewing area, it's not unreasonable to assume that a

Re: [WSG] columns with matching vertical alignment

2008-07-09 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jul 9, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Ben Lau wrote: I would like to know the best (or at least better and simple) way to achieve this kind of design. I have uploaded a sample design image for convenience: http:// www.hellobenlau.net/design.gif Basically I need to have the lists at the bottom of

Re: [WSG] Mobile graded browser support

2008-07-21 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Keryx Web wrote: All right. I will stop complaining about designing for the iPhone and try to attack this from a positive angle. I think designing for the iPhone is somewhat irrelevant, (but I'd agree that iphone specific URLs are a scary throwback to the bad

Re: [WSG] Inline style works but css does not

2008-08-01 Thread Andrew Maben
On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:03 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote: Ive had to work on macs in the past – I wouldn’t wish them on my enemy – sorry Michael :P And the relevance of this comment to the subject at hand, or web standards in general, is what exactly? Andrew

Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list

2008-08-05 Thread Andrew Maben
On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Joseph Ortenzi wrote: Would I be considered rude if I asked you to continue this particular thread off board? Thanks, Joe. As you saw, I took it off the list once but David had to bring it right back. It looks to me as if he just wants to annoy people, so

Re: [WSG] Question on servers and Email campaign

2008-11-11 Thread Andrew Maben
the right to demand the keys and security codes of your office? I don't think so! And how is this different? Andrew Maben http://www.andrewmaben.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions

Re: [WSG] Reset form fields to default values when user clicks the refresh/reload button in there Browser, not on the page.

2008-11-13 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 13, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Brett Patterson wrote: How do I get a form field to reset itself back to its default value if the user has changed it? I think it might help getting an answer if you could clarify exactly what it is you are trying to achieve here, and why. Andrew

Re: [WSG] Reset form fields to default values when user clicks the refresh/reload button in there Browser, not on the page.

2008-11-13 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 13, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Brett Patterson wrote: Sorry, but no. If you look in FF3 it keeps the text entered in the form field when page is refreshed the same. It does not remove it. There are no code examples, and I have exhausted the library and internet resources. Well, forgive me

Re: [WSG] Web governance

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 24, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Andrew R wrote: Can anyone give me some pointers, do have something that works in your organsiation, etc? I'm afraid I can't offer help, just let you know I'm another companion in pain. This is a problem that seems to be almost universal, in organizations

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote: Wow! You hand code For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only way available if you want to get it right... ...although its a long road Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply, and follow the excellent advice

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 24, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Bruce wrote: Hopefully this can get back on web standards topic... ...might be a good moment to remember a previous thread re: standards and swf. I'm sorry not to remember who provided this link, but I've found it invaluable:

Re: [WSG] HTML/XHTML/XML - Question about the future of.

2008-11-25 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 25, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Of course, only HTML can be widely used, as long as XHTML isn't supported by the most used browser. I'm going to risk venturing an opinion here. The high hopes that many of us may have had for XHTML as the wave of the future seem, sadly,

Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared

2008-11-25 Thread Andrew Maben
Please, could I ask you to take this discussion off-list if you want to continue. It's really degenerated to an unresolvable cycle of I'm right, No, I'M right... When it just comes down to Use the best available solution for the problem at hand All compressed image file formats have

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-12-03 Thread Andrew Maben
On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Accessibility is an extension of usability to include non-standard ways of browsing the web. Complying with WCAG is step towards accessibility. Careful consideration has to be given how one applies WCAG meaningfully. Research has shown

Re: [WSG] Blockquote

2009-01-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 8, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Adam Martin wrote: but theft is theft, because someone else does it does not change the law... indeed... but I'm losing track of what exactly this has to do with standards? Andrew *** List

Re: # Re: [WSG] Beta Testers Needed for BCAT

2009-01-14 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 14, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Christie Mason wrote: Well there goes that theory. My thoughts were something like graphically oriented people are attracted to using Macs and Flash. BCAT's attempting to make Flash accessible is good but if the content hadn't been made inaccessible in the

Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-16 Thread Andrew Maben
On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote: Please can you provide feedback on the following website http://webprocafe.com/ We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus any general feedback you want to provide. In the header I see Design, Development, Coffee

Re: [WSG] friends? - was( Failed A Job :()

2009-01-29 Thread Andrew Maben
On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:40 PM, James Jeffery wrote: Some people are rich because they are tight. This has strayed a long way from standards...! But I just have to add to the above. Having been the beneficiary of extraordinary acts of kindness from truly poor (financially - but how rich in

Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs

2009-02-08 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Ben Lau bensan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Are there any (seriously) bad implications of having empty DIVs around your HTML document? No. p.s. ignore all the long-winded answers. Agreed. Andrew

Re: [WSG] What's the best way to place a link in a document? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-02-16 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: Use Example A; you can make as visible as you like with CSS. +1 Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] What's the best way to place a link in a document? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-02-16 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: Use Example A; you can make as visible as you like with CSS. +1 Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] What's the best way to place a link in a document? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-02-16 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: Use Example A; you can make as visible as you like with CSS. +1 Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] What's the best way to place a link in a document? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2009-02-16 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 16, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: Use Example A; you can make as visible as you like with CSS. +1 Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] IE and the button element

2009-02-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 24, 2009, at 7:28 AM, Nick Fitzsimons wrote: the point is that it *behaves* like a button. In other words its purpose is to provide a specific kind of functionality and if I remember correctly, the functionality to be provided as originally stated was a link to a next page. I'd

[WSG] Semantics: Microformats, RDFa

2009-02-27 Thread Andrew Maben
There seem to be some Microformats proponents on the list, but I don't recall much mention of RDFa. I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on their relative merits, both immediately and in the longer term? Thanks, Andrew Maben www.andrewmaben.net and...@andrewmaben.com In a well designed

Re: [WSG] RE: [BULK] WSG Digest

2009-03-16 Thread Andrew Maben
to be models of tact and good judgement? If you don't like a post - delete it and get on with your life. Thank you. Andrew Maben www.andrewmaben.net and...@andrewmaben.com In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. P.S. Personally I feel the fact

Re: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Andrew Maben
stated arguments against doing it still stand. Andrew Maben www.andrewmaben.net and...@andrewmaben.com In a well designed user interface, the user should not need instructions. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Andrew Maben
The argument continues to be shaky at best. ...compel a user... in particular seems to display a fundamental misunderstanding of the realities of the web as a medium. I wonder if anyone knows of any user studies around this question: Is this an often-requested feature? When available, is

Re: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Andrew Maben
On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:01 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: When you have a boss, you do as the boss says, like it or not. Or quit, or be fired. Those are the options. If you have not been hired for your expertise, yes. Otherwise you are honor-bound to present the arguments, not just blindly obey -

Re: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Andrew Maben
I am not so arrogant as to even wish to speak for this list, but on my own account I'll say that this question is disingenuous. Obviously our work constantly involves balancing requirements. An important part of that balancing act is to provide the benefit of our expertise to stakeholders.

Re: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Andrew Maben
I am not so arrogant as to even wish to speak for this list, but on my own account I'll say that this question is disingenuous. Obviously our work constantly involves balancing requirements. An important part of that balancing act is to provide the benefit of our expertise to stakeholders.

Re: [WSG] add to favorites?

2009-03-25 Thread Andrew Maben
Do you imagine that a condescending, not to say insulting, tone adds weight to your arguments? If so, I'm sorry to disabuse you, but it just makes a weak point weaker. To address your argument, you appear (as does OP) to be confused as to the context of user benefit, call to action. I find

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