Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space

2005-09-06 Thread Christian Montoya
Hello all. I think we are getting a little off track here. We know we can do this with css: div#left { width:50%; float:left; border-right:1px solid #000; display:inline; } div#right { width:50%; float:left; border-left:1px solid #000; margin-left:-1px; display:inline; } This makes two

Re: [WSG] Problems with print style and general site check

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
You could make the page background one pixel wide, and the column background 1 pixel high... that should cut off a few kb's. - Christian

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
My guess is that more than one person worked on the redesign, but not everyone knew what they were doing. That might be where the mistakes come in. Still, they are really amateur mistakes. Seems unfair that I can't get anyone to pay me to do clean, standards based design, but these clowns cashed

Re: [WSG] Tables - a challenge!

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
It's not our fault we have to hack IE. This guy claims he solved the problem. The example used 3 divs, the clean version is at the bottom of the page. Worked in IE for me :D http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.htmlOn 9/7/05, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello

Re: [WSG] Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
Standards compliance needs to be built into RFP's from the get-go and then enforced by companies who pay the web-dev's. Exactly. I was actually thinking the other day, browsers should be more like compilers... they should refuse to parse incorrect code. Then the enforcement would be on the

Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
The only example of purely efficient structural markup I've seen inthe past few years is this: http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/articles/css/div_less/ You want to explain this one? *ul*li*pThis page is laid out using heading, paragraph, and list tags. Neither SPANs nor DIVs have been used./

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
Ah ha ha yes! Exactly my experience with my *first* web design course ever... it's called Intro to Web Design Programming. I'm only in the class because I have nothing else to take, and it's the only web design class being offered in the fall... and because I want to be a teaching assistant for

Re: [WSG] Browser tolerance - was Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
I totally agree, but let me make a joke: If browsers suddenly stopped parsing bad markup, wouldn't we be in big business? Imagine all the desperate clients! :DOn 9/7/05, Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Kenny Graham wrote: Exactly. I was actually thinking the other day, browsers should be

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
That could also be done with a coule divs... I think. Not that I would want to have a page background like that. Ugh. On 9/7/05, Kenny Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cs130.cs.cornell.edu/ HAS a table layout. For no reason. No reason? It makes it much easier to meet the absolutely

Re: [WSG] Educate the educators (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
But you have to agree it is much easier to stay up-to-date if you work inthe field every day and actually practically implement new technologies. If a company looks for new staff members they will think twice before employingsomebody who has got no practical experience in the field. For a good

Re: [WSG] Tables - a challenge!

2005-09-08 Thread Christian Montoya
Could someone tell me why this example isn't good? http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.html It seems perfect to me... is there some reason why it's not?

Re: [WSG] divitis - a worthy goal?

2005-09-08 Thread Christian Montoya
Eschewing markup that is not needed today is equivalent toadding presentational decisions to the markup for tomorrow. Only if tomorrow we won't have browsers with advanced CSS support (talk multiple backgrounds). Isn't the purpose of semantic markup supposed to be to make your markup

Re: [WSG] Tables - a challenge!

2005-09-09 Thread Christian Montoya
OK, thanks. I'm leaning also towards revisiting the design... as novel as vertical-centering might be, it doesn't seem practical. On 9/9/05, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/css/css-vertical-center-solution.htmlDoes not work in MacIE.http

Re: [WSG] divitis - a worthy goal?

2005-09-09 Thread Christian Montoya
We're still not on the same page. May I ask what your experience is with computers?On 9/9/05, Rimantas Liubertas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I don't think you know what I'm talking about. The information is not for humans... obviously. Accessibility isn't just about people. The extra information is

Re: [WSG] divitis - a worthy goal?

2005-09-09 Thread Christian Montoya
I might be speaking Greek, I don't know. It doesn't really matter anyway, I'm bored of this discussion, especially stating the obvious and being misunderstood. I'm just speaking from experience, working at the hardware level, but I understand it's hard to think from that angle, to understand how

Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards

2005-09-11 Thread Christian Montoya
I really like this: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/ I think it covers most everything.On 9/11/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all,I need to convince a bunch of K-12 teachers to teach web standards insteadof tables-for-layout and FrontPage and Publisher type of thing to

Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards

2005-09-11 Thread Christian Montoya
Actually, I forgot about this link too. This is a class at Cornell University that teaches XHTML 1.0 Strict. Here's the link: http://cs130.cs.cornell.edu There isn't a complete lesson plan but you can see the syllabus. On 9/11/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi all,I need to convince a

Re: [WSG] Browsers as copilers (was) Barclays standards redesign

2005-09-11 Thread Christian Montoya
The issue here is what is incorrect code? -- a web coder can serve up completely valid code, according to the w3c alidator, that is really awful (this, also, is purely subjective). For actual scripting languages the same is true - a coder can serve up code from procedural hell but it runs

Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards

2005-09-11 Thread Christian Montoya
about 3 lines. Strict means the page meets XHTML 1.0 specs completely. Transitional means the page has deprecated tags that are being ignored. It's a very simple difference. Anyone else concur?On 9/11/05, dwain alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: Actually, I forgot about

Re: [WSG] Questions about the new european parliament web site

2005-09-13 Thread Christian Montoya
It definitely looks like generator/cms code that isn't being converted, but I don't know for sure.On 9/13/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:As many of you probably noticed via the WASP web site, a new web site was launched for the European parliament and it is a mess.Now, I'm the first to

Re: [WSG] Standards based visual design guidelines

2005-09-15 Thread Christian Montoya
Hey, to answer your question, I start with this: http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContentID=12#Web It's Section 508 guidelines for the Web. It's required for US government agencies only, but it's a good recommendation for commercial sites too. Then I follow these guidelines: -

Re: [WSG] Style a parent element based on an id selector of the child element

2005-09-15 Thread Christian Montoya
Can't you make the a fill the entire td? i think it's display:block? then the background of the link will look like it fills the table cell.

Re: [WSG] Block element inside inline container

2005-09-19 Thread Christian Montoya
I think you have to ditch the ul's. By the way, the effect is really harsh on the yes, maybe it's not the best idea for such large blocks of text? I didn't even notice the effect right away, because it's not obvious, but then when I did notice it, it was hard to look at. On 9/19/05, Scott Glasgow

Re: [WSG] Block element inside inline container

2005-09-19 Thread Christian Montoya
That should say the effect is really harsh on the EYES. whoops. On 9/19/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think you have to ditch the ul's. By the way, the effect is really harsh on the yes, maybe it's not the best idea for such large blocks of text? I didn't even notice the effect

Re: [WSG] The Big Lie about CSS

2005-09-19 Thread Christian Montoya
The other nice thing about Blogger is that many if not all of thetemplates are well designed. Mine was originally designed for Blogger by Zeldman. I've modified it a lot, but the framework is his.Unfortunately, I added Haloscan trackback and comments, which make itfail validation. Otherwise it

Re: [WSG] Click here--reference

2005-09-19 Thread Christian Montoya
You guys are completely off here. Links are supposed to be like this: Get a href="" href="http://www.url.com">http://www.url.com title=Link to download Amaya, the W3C Web Browser for testingAmaya /a Links without titles are already inaccessible, regardless of context. The screen reader refers

Re: [WSG] Click here--reference

2005-09-19 Thread Christian Montoya
Well, I understand that screen readers don't use the title attribute like they should, but that is a bad implementation in the screen readers, not a misuse of the title attribute. That being said, I still think that the solution to: Download a href="" /a is: Download a href="" Software /a

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-20 Thread Christian Montoya
I like the fluid layout and the large text. Very nice site. Thanks for not following the cliched fixed width layout. On 9/20/05, Andy Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi folks,We've just launched our new company website, and would love your feedback.http://www.clearleft.com/YoursAndy

Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com

2005-09-22 Thread Christian Montoya
It gets worse... W3C gave you a CSS ERROR, which means they checked your site just as you were editing, I'm sure... so the name is wrong, the listing is wrong, and now you are disqualified from the featured list. Hate it when that happens!On 9/22/05, Stuart Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

Re: [WSG] Extending xhtml strict to include frameset and target

2005-09-24 Thread Christian Montoya
If you want to use frames you have to use the frames doctype. And only the frames doctype. It should include everything you want to use.Now, in my opinion, you should try to redesign the frames structure in PHP, and do the top frame as a PHP include. Then you can even fix it on the page with CSS

Re: [WSG] Extending xhtml strict to include frameset and target

2005-09-24 Thread Christian Montoya
Using flash for the marquee sounds like a great idea, and will probably be more attractive. I couldn't find the search page you were talking about. Could you give me a link directly to it? On 9/24/05, Isabel Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Christian, making the top frame a php include

Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!

2005-09-24 Thread Christian Montoya
I think the problem here might have to do with the fact that your XHTML is invalid. Please run every page through the validator and fix all the errors. There are definitely elements on every page that have not been closed, and I think they are causing all the problems. On 9/24/05, Adam Morris

Re: [WSG] Extending xhtml strict to include frameset and target

2005-09-24 Thread Christian Montoya
( http://www.ocean-wings.com)will need to be completly changed. On 9/24/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I couldn't find the search page you were talking about. Could you give me a link directly to it?

Re: [WSG] Cingular and Verizon go Web Standard

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
Yes, I heard about these. Now if only someone would tell them to center their layouts!On 9/25/05, Jorge Colon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I don't know how long ago they made their switch. Looks like companies are starting to see how important it is to have a web site that uses

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could care less about a new version. If I was to buy an editor I'd probably go with Topstyle or something. For now, I have my trusty Notepad. On 9/25/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:kvnmcwebn wrote: Also there was a review of

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
Christian, Do you think we should care about what top designers use? ;) I'm sure we care what they do. I was just making the point that the magazine sounds stupid. Hey Christian, Do you use a pencil and a sheet of A4 first, then transcribe that to notepad? That's clearly what a emrealem

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
That comment was a little short... I think I meant that Dreamweaver isn't a design tool... or something. Nevermind it. On 9/25/05, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Considering none of the top designers use Dreamweaver, I could carelessabout a new

Re: [WSG] Cingular and Verizon go Web Standard

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
... not off to the side. On 9/25/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: On 9/25/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now if only someone would tell them to center their layouts! Why? Because on wide/large screen (I live at 1280 pixels), left side layouts are a pain

Re: [WSG] computer arts mag article/review

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
I'm not sure if I subscribe to this thinking or not -- but, playing thedevil's advocate, there is evidence to suggest that _more_ designers are capable of coming up with something creative and aesthetically pleasingwhen working in design view without regard for code. I'm not suggestingCSS

Re: [WSG] Cingular and Verizon go Web Standard

2005-09-25 Thread Christian Montoya
If you want to have two windows on the screen, shouldn't you resize your browser window? If it's resized, say 800 pixels wide, wouldn't a centered layout look the same as a left layout? Therefore, this is irrelevant to what we are talking about. Also, please try and imagine how centered and left

Re: [WSG] Using CSS for Flash backgrounds

2005-09-26 Thread Christian Montoya
The only problem with this is sometimes when you right-click (if you ever need to right click) you get the Flash right-click options. You might also get certain Flash cursors instead of the default browser cursors. On 9/26/05, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'And I agree Sam, having movement

Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsletter!

2005-09-26 Thread Christian Montoya
I can never believe that people like that still exist. Even when I see it, I find it hard to believe. It isn't even worth contesting it. No point arguing with someone who has already ignored the facts.

Re: [WSG] FW: Killersites.com Newsletter - Not another nerd newsl etter!

2005-09-26 Thread Christian Montoya
On 9/26/05, sam sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,Just to put the cat amongst the peigons - some of the points raised arevalid IMHO.Regardless of whether he has valid points or not, I think he is wrong from the start. Talk like this is part of the problem, not the solution. He's leading people

Re: [WSG] 2-Column Liquid Designs

2005-09-26 Thread Christian Montoya
Perfect. http://liquid.rdpdesign.com has some very good professional sites listed. On 9/26/05, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi,I'm searching for inspiration for (2) liquid corporate designs. Would someone pass along a few

Re: [WSG] Hiding Headings

2005-09-27 Thread Christian Montoya
Psh, left? Do top:h1 {position: absolute;top: -1px;}No need to risk the embarrasment of having the h1 element seen on a 12,000 pixel resolution screen. On 9/27/05, Lance Willett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/27/05, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: 1. Put

Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!

2005-09-27 Thread Christian Montoya
I don't think b/b is valid. Just do another span, with { font-weight:bold; }And yes, the DL is much better. On 9/27/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adam I just sent a message about your linking colors and then looked at your source code. Here's another suggestion I

Re: [WSG] IE MAC just won't play ball!

2005-09-27 Thread Christian Montoya
Oh, it *is* valid. I was mistaken... I'll have to remember that. How do screen readers handle b and i ? Do they really ignore those tags? Just wondering because I know screen readers tend not to follow the rules.

Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)

2005-09-28 Thread Christian Montoya
LOL, I can't help but laugh on this one. There's two tiny little links with absolute positioning placing them thousands of pixels to the RIGHT... and somehow they aren't lost on the page. They ought to be placed thousands of pixels to the TOP, so that they won't make a scrollbar appear. On

Re: [WSG] Site Review: hopkinsprogramming.net/

2005-10-02 Thread Christian Montoya
You can't just measure it by IE's +2 and -2, because for users with widescreen displays, the default is something like +1. This is because widescreen Windows XP runs at 120 dpi rather than the standard 96 dpi, and to compensate for small text, the text is automatically set to be larger. Therefore

Re: [WSG] Page templates submitted for review (discard previous mail)

2005-10-02 Thread Christian Montoya
as text/html. You should serve it as text/xml, or application/xhtml+xml I read it may be... dangerous! But, of course, I dont really understand what I'm talking about I'm just repeating what I have read on several sites. Julián Christian Montoya wrote

Re: [WSG] Homepage Review: webnetdesignstudios.com

2005-10-02 Thread Christian Montoya
Isn't b still valid? If you want to have a weightless way of bolding the text, but don't want to mess with a span, use b . On 10/2/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:23:50 +1000, Joshua Street wrote: p class=testimonialnamespanJoe Coyle,/span President/p and add

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

2005-10-03 Thread Christian Montoya
Am I the only one that fills this way? Yes. Fonts are extremely important to web design and web standards. They have a lot to do with readability and user friendliness. It's not elitist.

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

2005-10-04 Thread Christian Montoya
I don't remember the site I read, but there wasn't a fallback for Arial! It had percentages of fonts by user for Windows, Mac, and Linux. You could fallback to Geneva for Mac, but there wasn't anything for Linux. IMO arial isn't so hot for the web anyway. On 10/4/05, Samuel Richardson [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] avoid Verdana - I cant get the whole point.

2005-10-04 Thread Christian Montoya
Right, but what I was saying was that none of those fonts are common on Linux machines. So if you make a font family that starts with Arial, be prepared to have 3 or 4 fallbacks for Linux. On 10/4/05, Peter Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Samuel Richardson So if the Linux fallback for

Re: [WSG] CSIRO to help develop web standards

2005-10-06 Thread Christian Montoya
One of the things with standards is, standards mean that you aremuch more competitive, not just on a national scale but a global scale ... If you want to sell your products and develop your productsthen standards is one of the great mechanisms through which you cando that and become competitive in

[WSG] Another glowing praise of standards compliant sites...

2005-10-07 Thread Christian Montoya
Hello all,Woot.com (XHTML 1.0 transitional, semantic shopping site) just recently implemented a contact form on their site, and they were sharing some of the messages they got. Here's a couple you might like to read: Elsewhere in the Wootville Mailsack, two different users

[WSG] Site check: color.rdpdesign.com

2005-10-08 Thread Christian Montoya
Hello all. I just finished a site and it looks ok in IE 6 / FF / Opera. I'm not too concerned about compatibility with older browsers, just wondering if it works ok in Mac and Linux. The site is here: http://color.rdpdesign.com Any advice is also welcome. Thanks!-- - C Montoyardpdesign.com ...

Re: [WSG] Site check: color.rdpdesign.com

2005-10-08 Thread Christian Montoya
Hey all, Thanks for the checks. The problems come from the page being sized in em's, and the ads being absolutely positioned with ems... I've decided that's too difficult. I'll probably put the ads back in, but in a more robust way, so they don't risk covering content. -- - C Montoyardpdesign.com

Re: [WSG] Site check: color.rdpdesign.com

2005-10-09 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/9/05, Steve Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expected the manual inputs to accept hex values since that's typically how we work with colors on the web. Perhaps you could offer the option of using hex or decimal?Steve Ferguson - Illumit L.L.C. http://illumit.com I will, later. -- - C

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Christian Montoya
The one thing that jumps immediately to my mind is poetry where the linebreak has serious semantic value. Another might be for code snippets where the author wants to indicate thatthe actaull code continues on one line but is broken up in his example fordeomnstration / readability. This is usually

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/9/05, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK so someone pointed out that pre would be better for poetry That was me. pre does a nice job of handling the visual side of things but from ascreen reader's point of view, how do they handle a line break through preas opposed to br /. Do

Re: [WSG] Avoiding the evil br

2005-10-09 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/9/05, Buddy Quaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Firminger wrote:This thread is a clear case of why non-standards developers laugh at us (WebStandards Zealots) and justifiably say we're irrelevant.We're arguing over a line break! Forget the context (but a postal or street address is a fine

[WSG] site check: liquid.rdpdesign.com

2005-10-09 Thread Christian Montoya
I just (hopefully) finished a somewhat complex layout. It's liquid, and has max-width for all the good browsers. As for IE, it has some _javascript_ that forces IE to implement max-width. After that, it's just an untamed liquid layout for the IE users without _javascript_... who probably don't

Re: [WSG] site check: liquid.rdpdesign.com

2005-10-10 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/10/05, Steve Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice! I wish I had thought of scaling screenshots to percent width, it looks better and would have saved me a lot of trouble. When I view the site using Safari it briefly renders the unstyled page. I haven't noticed this behavior before. Perhaps

Re: [WSG] Safari FOUC was site check: liquid.rdpdesign.com

2005-10-11 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/10/05, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:45:07 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote: Sounds like FOUC. I'll try to fix that... eventually. Thanks.Well, if you succeed, do publicise it!I haven't yet managed to kill the Safari FOUC :( warmly,Lea--Lea de GrootElysian

Re: [WSG] Firefox caption madness

2005-10-11 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/11/05, Jake Badger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm getting a weird problem when I try and absolutely position somethingin a table caption. It all works fine in IE, but in Firefox if I try thepage below the caption is only as wide as the first cell in the table. If I remove the display:block; on

Re: [WSG] Re: Date verification in HTML pages

2005-10-11 Thread Christian Montoya
My impression has been that the only reliable method for dating is in the actual content of the documents. Especially with so many dynamic applications being used for web sites, it's up to the site maintainer to include with each article the date when it was written and last modified. That seems a

Re: [WSG] Keep all content to a single page using CSS for printing?

2005-10-11 Thread Christian Montoya
Use this: printer {paper-select: xx-long;}And you can use the * usb hack for epson printers, since they don't like the xx-long property. I hate pedantic clients. -- - C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com

Re: [WSG] Keep all content to a single page using CSS for printing?

2005-10-11 Thread Christian Montoya
Now for the honest answer, try removing anything on the page that isn't needed. Just print the actual content, and yes, make it small.

Re: [WSG] Safari FOUC was site check: liquid.rdpdesign.com

2005-10-12 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/11/05, Steve Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does appear that you've killed the Safari FOUC.You should document this as appears to be somewhat of a mystery.Nicely Done!Steve Ferguson - http://illumit.com On Oct 10, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: Safari FOUC

Re: [WSG] Safari FOUC was site check: liquid.rdpdesign.com

2005-10-12 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/12/05, Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Oct 2005, at 3:52 pm, Christian Montoya wrote: Where would I document this?Blog ? Own website ?You could start here as well, or add an item to the CSS-D Wiki: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FrontPagePhilippe---Philippe

Re: [WSG] List with hover background images

2005-10-12 Thread Christian Montoya
Float the list, or the containing div, so that the width won't stretch across the page? That should contain the hover effect. -- - C Montoyardpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

2005-10-12 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/13/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally think that this will be unrealistic for the time being. Butit's nice to hear that the IE team is starting to take a stand againsthe problems their buggy software created.It sounds more like they are taking a stand against the designers

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

2005-10-12 Thread Christian Montoya
for everyone?? Making it easier to maintain for future proof? Buddy Christian Montoya wrote: On 10/13/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally think that this will be unrealistic for the time being. But it's nice to hear that the IE team is starting to take a stand agains the problems

Re: [WSG] IE team says no to hacks

2005-10-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/13/05, Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you've gone against all sane advice and used CSS hacks then you knewexactly what you were in for with future browsers and potential problems.Don't look at me. I don't want to see an M$ bitch session develop here while Microsoft

Re: [WSG] Browser Stats

2005-10-13 Thread Christian Montoya
In my experience Firefox runs a lot better on linux, and even faster onWindows. A lot of the stuff that firefox does on linux it could really improve. I think the reason that it's like that is because most of themain developers use windows and they're trying to appeal to themainstream (i.e.

Re: [WSG] faux columns for fixed AND percentage width

2005-10-13 Thread Christian Montoya
Does this help?http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/design/faux-columns-for-liquid-layouts/-- - C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com

Re: [WSG] Feedback

2005-10-14 Thread Christian Montoya
I won't do a whole report card, but here's three things that should be changed: 1. The navigation list: * li* img src=images/bullet.gif alt=Omaha Home /* /li You are doing this to put bullets between the list items. Don't do this, here's the alternative: #menu li { padding-bottom:1em;

Re: [WSG] Do Web Standrads vand best practices get rewarded by Search Engines?

2005-10-17 Thread Christian Montoya
Wow, I have a lot of articles that come to mind but can't find many of them... this one might be the best one though: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200502/basics_of_search_engine_optimisation/ Here's the thing... XHTML doesn't directly result in better SEO. It's semantics. Whether a site

Re: [WSG] Do Web Standrads vand best practices get rewarded by Search Engines?

2005-10-17 Thread Christian Montoya
By the way, if you ever have a client who takes an SEO company's word over yours, you can always refer them to this: http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/07/27/optimizing_sear -- - C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ... montoya.rdpdesign.com

Re: [WSG] Firefox mystery space bug?

2005-10-17 Thread Christian Montoya
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: Guys and gals, check this out. http://hayteam.sitesbyjoe.com/default.asp I get this occasional bug to show in Firefox for Windows. What happens is occasionally Firefox puts a big space at the bottom of my content before just before the footer as if I

Re: [WSG] Never ending cross browser problems! Lets just do IE!

2005-10-19 Thread Christian Montoya
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox or I go back to a table layout, which I am sure will work in all browsers but will make me look like a fool in the Web Standards community, --- Now that's some good feedback, you beauty! That worked, don't know why, but it worked, if you got a link that

Re: [WSG] Complex form - markup help?!

2005-10-20 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/20/05, Rachel Radford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am completely stumped as to what the best way to attack the markup for this form: http://www.heliocell.com/complexform.gif It isn't a data table and yet there are headers there and it is in columns... so not sure if it warrants being in

Re: [WSG] Re: Complex form - markup help?

2005-10-21 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/21/05, Laura Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/20/05, Christian Montoya [email hidden] wrote: It looks like a data table to me. If you didn't use a table, you would probably use lists, which might be more confusing. I've had advise from [EMAIL PROTECTED] against using data table

Re: [WSG] Re: Complex form - markup help?

2005-10-21 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/21/05, Laura Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/20/05, Christian Montoya [email hidden] wrote: It looks like a data table to me. If you didn't use a table, you would probably use lists, which might be more confusing. I've had advise from [EMAIL PROTECTED] against using data table

Re: [WSG] Set min-width using DOM

2005-10-21 Thread Christian Montoya
Ok, so my final questions is... is there a fallback for expression() ? Something in IE for expression that functions like noscript for script? What I am thinking of is that if someone using IE doesn't have expression(), you may want to give them a fixed width layout as backup. Something like:

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.0 Strict better than XHTML 1.0 Transitional?

2005-10-25 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/25/05, Martin Smales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can have presentational markup (or atleast, markup that is semantically not correct) even with a strict doctype, so it's actually all about how you use the tool. Ok, I am thinking in terms of putting an XHTML 1.0 Strict page through

Re: [WSG] graphic design for standards sites.

2005-10-29 Thread Christian Montoya
How 'Graphic Designer' can think in standard wise while working with Developers or the Markup guys. Stop thinking in the grid layout of table based design. CSS lets you put things wherever you want, with a lot less work too. You also don't have to slice so much, since graphics become

Re: [WSG] Firefox filter?

2005-10-29 Thread Christian Montoya
I'm also not sure how browsers are supposed to handle a non-repeating animated gif as on-hover background, so I don't know what's correct behavior here. I'm not sure what the correct way is either, but regardless, I don't code to firefox or any other browser first. I code to standards

Re: [WSG] Text choices on our own sites

2005-10-30 Thread Christian Montoya
Hope I'm making sense, here and I know it's a slippery slope, but hey ... That's why they pay us the big bucks, right? .. Right? Anyone? You make money at this??? What a concept!! ;-) That's true... I want in on these big bucks :-) -- -- C Montoya rdpdesign.com ...

Re: [WSG] to border or not to border, that is the question

2005-10-31 Thread Christian Montoya
It would be simple enough to do table border=1. And table, td, th, thead, tbody, tfoot {border:none;} And then add them back as needed. What do you think? Is it a good idea? Should I turn around and run away from adding some presentational markup in my pages? I think it's find to have

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-01 Thread Christian Montoya
hello all, Ive started designing sites for this company that specilizes in .net databases driven/xml feed type sites. I just give them a graphics file and they slice it up. Anyway they asked me yesterday if i could do this particular job with web accessability in mind. But heres the

Re: [WSG] advices for using headings more correctly

2005-11-02 Thread Christian Montoya
There's nothing wrong with: h1My site titleh1 ...navigation... h2My section name/h2 h3Latest Articles/h3 h4Article 1 Title/h4 pparagraph/p h4Article 2 Title/h4 pparagraph/p Another option is: h1My site titleh1 ...navigation... h2My

Re: [WSG] standards, accessability and validation?

2005-11-02 Thread Christian Montoya
I spoke with programmers today. They were more receptive than i'd expected. They agreed give standards a go by easing into css based design one step at a time. Tell those programmers we are ready for their questions. :-) -- -- C Montoya rdpdesign.com ... liquid.rdpdesign.com ...

Re: [WSG] RapidWeaver?

2005-11-03 Thread Christian Montoya
Has anyone used this before: http://realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/index.php I stumbled across it today (was compulsively checking source of some site and found a comment that said produced by RapidWeaver... and the markup was relatively clean, so I googled it), seems... not too bad for a

[WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-05 Thread Christian Montoya
Hello all. I was thinking about a semantic way to do the following with a list: = header - item 1 - item 2 - item 3 Currently I do this: h1header/h1 ul li.../li /ul This doesn't make it clear that the header refers to the list, though. What I would like to do is have a list header, much like

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
Great idea, Christian, but you've been scooped: LH was part of the 1993 HTML3 specification in the UL, OL, and DL definitions, such as: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/deflists.html LH appears to have disappeared from the specs between HTML 3.0 and 3.2, but I wasn't able to discover when or

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
I think those both do not solve the problem. How do I give a definition list a header? h1Dictionary/h1 dl dtword/dt dddef/dd dtword/dt dddef/dd /dl I would like to do: dl lhDictionary/lh dt.../dt dh.../dh /dl Any solution that involves nested lists is really bad IMO. That makes things too

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
I understand your desire to be completely explicit in terms of assigning a header to a list, I'd say that (X)HTML is just not that explicit a language in that respect, and that *source order* is used to infer a lot of this type of assignment. Think, for instance, about a normal page structure

Re: [WSG] List Headers?

2005-11-06 Thread Christian Montoya
I do not know is this a solution for our problem but it seems it does the semantic and valid job - i made it a bit complex but its now a closely real-world example :) h1label for=stuff-lista accesskey=0 href=This is a Header for my stuff list/a/label/h1 ul id=stuff-list lia accesskey=1

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