I thought legislature and regulation are constitutionally separate in
the US?
On Oct 04, 2007, at 06:01, Michael MD wrote:
Speaking only of businesses int he United States, no government
entity should be telling a private business what it must do and
that includes telling a business
it
RalphNader legislatively proved that you cannot budget the risks
involved in the 70's with the famous Ford Pinto debacle.
they forgot to include the bad press or legal challenge when ignoring
the rights of the community.
On Oct 04, 2007, at 06:24, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
I really
Bless you Kat for a very intelligent and reasoned argument.
On Oct 04, 2007, at 09:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Or Golan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
First things first. I am a complete and total grammar snob; I think
it is because I see myself as a designer. Punctuation is important,
as
I agree, reading her blog she seems to be a knee-jerk reactionary
Republican who wants government support when they get shafted and
government to lay off when others accuse them of shafting.
Someone earlier said she was intelligent - I find little evidence of
this.
On Oct 04, 2007, at
Two mistakes.
As already mentioned, they do, in legislation, need to make the site
accessible or at least show the attempt to, NOT to say we don't want
to so we won't.
If they bar people who speak Spanish from the shop they are also
being discriminatory, both to the Spanish they are
*SIGH*
I know, that JAWS Activex/AD statement floored me, it really did
How did he get on this list? Might be a newb like me but I though
he'd know better than that.
This is why it is taking me ages to recruit a LAMP developer who know
who webstandards.org are and what they are for!
oops!
Target are not offering a website to help clients. You can bet your
last penny they have a website to make it easier to reach more
customers and convince them to spend their money with Traget.
Period!
There is nothing in Target's behaviour that says they want to make
life easier for
Sorry I have to disagree some of these points.
Comments among your text
On Oct 04, 2007, at 01:56, Steve Green wrote:
can anybody help me understand where the idea that accessibility
costs
money comes from?
It certainly can do depending on the content of your site and the
target
Please compare like with like.
Target and your local grocery store are not a valid comparison.
target were approached, had the issue politely explained, were shown
suggestions as to how it could be fixed, were given both financial
and legislative reasons to do so and decided to say no.
oops!
Target are not offering a website to help clients. You can bet your
last penny they have a website to make it easier to reach more
customers and convince them to spend their money with Traget.
Period!
Don't be so ignorant. There is nothing in Target's behaviour that
says they want
For the Attention of those of you in London, UK.
WS Meetup London Group
I hope this isn't an infringement of the mailing list. Apologies if I
got it wrong. Sorry for the short notice but there has been a bit of
an internal debate on the merits of letting you all know about this.
For those
Can someone in the London group help clarify something for me?
I joined the WSG and found that there were no events scheduled for
London since July 06.
I subsequently discover there have been several interesting events in
London, but no notice at all in the WSG events calendar.
The last
Pubstandards:
http://www.pubstandards.org
Karl
On 10/9/07, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For the Attention of those of you in London, UK.
WS Meetup London Group
I hope this isn't an infringement of the mailing list. Apologies
if I got it
wrong. Sorry for the short notice but there has been
Oct 2007, at 10:58, Joseph Ortenzi wrote:
Thanks Karl, but the pubstandards group appears to have withered
away and died, unfortunately. at least the UK one.
Erm...
http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/290703/
Next pubstandards UK meetup is next Thursday :-)
HTH,
Nick.
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safari 3 on 10.4.11 is ok though... matches what I see in firefox
On Nov 20, 2007, at 13:27, Andrew Maben wrote:
There was a note on Macintouch about this page:
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/renew/renew_833.html
Safari 2.0.4 on Mac OS 10.4.10 shows a blank page, but viewing page
Of Joseph Ortenzi
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Invisible US Passport renewal page
safari 3 on 10.4.11 is ok though... matches what I see in firefox
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validation. The guys that build it obviously wanted it to validate
(look at the comments) but that didn't make it accessible or more
usable.
Joseph Ortenzi skrev:
personally, I expect US and UK government sites to fail
validation
There is no need to style the forms strongly but you can try to
explicitly coax the style to be more uniform by applying CSS
intelligently.
BTW: Buttons should be buttons and not an obscure graphic acting as a
link or calling JavaScript.
If you keep your head on your shoulders there should
But why?
everyone knows about the back button, don't they? So you don't really
need to help them. And if the previous site was yours and you want to
see if they went from your site A to your site B then you could
probably do this with sessions or by passing a variable forward
through the
I agree. I thought having a main menu in Flash is not compliant with
Web Standards.
Why must your navigation be in Flash?
On Feb 29, 2008, at 09:14, Breton Slivka wrote:
On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Anthony Milner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I have two flash files - 1 contains a
or maybe your border attribute needs a diaper? ;-)
#formdivtext{
border:1px #BCBCBC soild;
margin-right:2px;
}
Joe
On Mar 25, 2008, at 13:22, Kyle Hudson wrote:
Try resetting your page with an example such as:
* {
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
line-height:
tried moo tools or JQuery?
Joe
On Mar 27, 2008, at 09:37, Sigurd Magnusson wrote:
Am looking for an intuitive and elegant example of a password field
with an strength indicator that updates as you type each character.
I've seen plenty around, and off the top of my head I quite like
is it on this page?
http://www.alforddesigngroup.com/
On Mar 27, 2008, at 12:47, dwain wrote:
with my haslayout problem, the div around the pictures shrink
wrapped while the nav div, containing a ul, and along with the ul
sized to 100% of the wrapper.
dwain
On 3/27/08, Joe Ortenzi
broken HTML
rule one: verify the HTML/CSS as any problems are usually in there:
body id=facilities
div id=container
div id=header/div
Hope this helps.
joe
On Apr 08, 2008, at 16:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Lyn,
I can see all the pages except facilities.html jumps out of
list
On Apr 09, 2008, at 14:36, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
hi,
im generating a list of page links from my cms, its not really for a
nav bar just a section of the site that has a number of related
articles.
im using h2 for the over all list label but am wondering what to
use for the list
for RegEx, grep searches as described here on the Mac, try BBEdit or
Textmate, or the free Text Wrangler.
On Apr 10, 2008, at 02:05, Michael MD wrote:
one thing I
miss about dreamweaver is that you can do a 'search all' and
get a list of all instances of the thing you are searching for
Hi All London Standardistas!
Hope this little job request is agreeable to the list.
I need some quick template creation help (paid) for 2-3 days next week
possibly. Anyone got some time available?
You need to be a whizz at fully-compliant XHTML/CSS and modifying a
basic template to several
Generally, yes, but not necessarily.
Can I see some links?
On Apr 11, 2008, at 06:53, John Horner wrote:
Does the coder need to be in London?
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Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2008 10:00 PM
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Sorry man, i'm too busy
2008/4/10, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi All London Standardistas!
Hope this little job request is agreeable to the list.
I need some quick template creation help (paid) for 2-3 days next
week possibly. Anyone got some time available?
You need to be a whizz at fully
who is your target audience?
If they are basic desktop users and not technical, then you want to
use language they understand rather than the technical language.
Commit changes is too technical, and you should never mix the
commits in any one view. I like the Save changes suggestion.
by:
, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
list
On Apr 09, 2008, at 14:36, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
hi,
im generating a list of page links from my cms, its not really
for a nav bar just a section of the site that has a number
Most of what I've seen people put into ActiveX and .NET can be done
otherwise by clever developers and still be standards compliant or at
least, cross-browser-compliant.
If you need to write proprietary code that is browser specific you are
not adhering to web standards. either it is
nonsense!
You needn't use JS for this as it can be done without JS.
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/
Joe
On May 13, 2008, at 08:55, Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote:
Hi Laert,
Try this
div id=flashcontent
strongYou need to upgrade your Flash
Not from here it hasn't
whois results:
Domain Name: ALISTAPART.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM
Name Server: NS2.PENDINGRENEWALDELETION.COM
Status:
how about using the blockquote cite attribute?
http://brainstormsandraves.com/articles/semantics/structure/
They mention using cite for a url (or email link) and title for the
details.
seems to be compliant to me...
On May 13, 2008, at 16:31, Rick Lecoat wrote:
On 5 May 2008, at
Hope this is not OT!
My parent company, Hoop Associates, are looking for a standards-savvy
Digital Project Manager and a LAMP Web Developer to complement our
expanding digital team.
Full details here: http://www.thisishoop.com/careers
Thank You
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I agree TW.
A good course teaches you to fish, to borrow from the ancient adage.
therefore html 4/5 is a non-issue.
Therefore any current course would include the complete understanding
of BOTH current and emerging standards and any good student and
practitioner will constantly be
found it:
http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/
Thanks!
On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:28, Joseph Ortenzi wrote:
Michael
You have made some mistaken assumptions.
Search engines are not spam email farmers, so there is no need to
PREVENT them from accessing your contacts page. You WANT them to see
Standards freaks are not against JavaScript, please pay attention there.
But Standardistas DO want sites to have a useful option available for
people who have javascript turned off so THEY can contact you as well.
So providing a server side form for people with Javascript turned off
would
On Jun 16, 2008, at 13:08, Michael Persson wrote:
Thanks Chris,
These options are like the options of what size your website should
have, and depending
on the target group your client have no idea for these technical
matters as well as web standards.
You should have a target display
if you have a mac you can rename it firefox3 so you can run it side by
side, but your extensions might get confused...
On Jun 18, 2008, at 13:17, Paul Collins wrote:
Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will
it run side by side?!
Cheers
the standard is html
On Jun 18, 2008, at 17:31, Ian Chamberlain wrote:
The W3C's own site is full of four letter suffixs Rob. not that that
means anything.
I would doubt what they are saying, but then where I came from CMS
and web standards were on different planets.
-
Are you sure they're not right?
I'd make them prove it
Joe
On Jun 19, 2008, at 11:11, Jonathan D'mello wrote:
To go off on a tangent Patrick, this is getting to be a rather common
excuse from some developers. If they don't want to change code, they
say it will break W3C standards.
On
The question wasn't about keeping file extensions in URIs it was about
what file extension the file should have, which I am sure you will
agree is still required as the server needs to know if it is an html,
php, css, js, etc file doesn't it.
But I completely agree, my server can serve a
Opening links in new windows is not an evil thought, no, but it is
best avoided in most circumstances.
We should never use Experienced Users and shift+ctrl+alt as a
benchmark as I would assume these are about 1% or less of most site
traffic and thus a very tiny minority which shouldn't be
that but only out of
habit.
I can't remember the exact date but I would quess that we have been
largely
free from that limitation for well over ten years.
Regards
Ian
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* working relationship and don't want to
upset that ;-) [sure you understand]
Rob
2008/6/20 Joseph Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Exactly!
But as you know, old conventions die hard!
Joe
On Jun 20, 2008, at 10:19, Ian Chamberlain wrote:
My memory is fading fast Joe, but as I recall our first windows
I would have though a simple CSS width:100%; , height:auto might do it?
does it need to be a background and will it conflict with anything at
different sizes?
?
On Jun 30, 2008, at 05:15, dwain wrote:
On 6/29/08, Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone been able to
You can have standards compliant Flash instances (even though the
content of the flash swf itself may possibly not be standards-
compliant itself) without JavaScript.
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/
Is one source for this information.
Joe
On Jul 03, 2008, at 17:30, Joseph
I agree with Rick here.
Having to scroll horizontally is not only an accessibility issue but a
serious design issue. I challenge AI to find proof people don't mind
this as all my research and experience says otherwise.
Joe
On Jul 04, 2008, at 11:27, Rick Lecoat wrote:
On 3 Jul 2008, at
OT, no?
On Jul 07, 2008, at 07:57, Al Sparber wrote:
Good morning
My client wants her image galleries to look the same (if possible)
as on
her Power Point Presentation. These images (in PPP) are positioned
absolutely ie a certain cm measurement from top left in each
case. The
images
Sorry have to jump on that one, Rick.
No application can create extra pixels where only one existed. At
best, they can interpolate what a pixel _might need to be_ by being
very clever about the pixels surroundings and using sophisticated
filters and techniques, but it is an educated guess
There is a recent article in alistapart about tabular data. The author
is also a WSG contributor, who might point you in the direction of
some good research.
her site:
http://formulate.com.au
Joe
On Jul 31, 2008, at 02:09, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
Hi I've been asked to redesign the gui on a
keep your handbags to yourselves please? looks like you ran off topic.
;-)
As a list reader, it would be helpful to me (and perhaps to others?)
if discussions were kept as close as possible to Web Standards related
issues, and kept polite and respectful. can I kindly ask you to take a
Wilbur
What''s your budget?
Would you be able to spec it so the brief can be distributed?
Joe
On Aug 06, 2008, at 11:47, Wilbur Pereira wrote:
Hi Jessica,
I'm looking for somebody who can help me have user friendly and
accessible forms. The product that I'm working has a lot of ajax in
no this is tabular data, but could do with some organising though, and
reduce the visual info, much too intense...
On Aug 07, 2008, at 17:02, EBS wrote:
Could you not do this with div's and use an unordered list?
Mathew O'Connor
Essential eBiz Solutions
Original message
From:
are you certain the show hide is both necessary and cannot be resolved
in another way? If you need show/hide you could nest the content in a
div in the table cells maybe?
Joe
On Aug 07, 2008, at 17:07, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
cheers joseph,
its two different tables because of some show hide
FireFox2
On Aug 07, 2008, at 17:15, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
joseph what browser is that screen shot from?
i wasnt getting the left hand text overflowing like that in any of
my browsers.
-best
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I'd challenge the developer to create something that allows the data
to remain tabular and logical. If he can't do it I'd say he's not up
to the task. My dev's could!
On Aug 07, 2008, at 17:12, kevin mcmonagle wrote:
yes for some reason programmer needs two tables which was the big
why would it not work as a directory under the main site tree, i.e.: www.domain.com.au/shop/
.
I think developers are keen on a lightweight, simple to use and deploy
and template shopping cart system. ZenCart and osCommmerce are
terrible to both set up and use, so lose-lose IMHO.
Surely a
$500 for a custom job that, done properly, would be a couple of days
work at least for an experienced developer sounds pretty cheap to me...
That's half my day rate
Joe
On Aug 13, 2008, at 11:15, Jason Pruim wrote:
On Aug 13, 2008, at 1:34 AM, Lynette Smith wrote:
Have always avoided
integrated ecomerce solution
- but it has been well thought out - it is stds compliant etc etc. I
would suggest having a look at shopify if you want a cheap basic but
good ecommerce solution
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Sent
Good points Krystian
I've make standards compliant templates in ZenCart but it was a very
hard slog and involved minimising a lot of the functions and layout
options, not ideal. Also, you rightly address semantic mark-up as
vital which few cart options get right. If I'm in the dvd section,
I shortened the URL for you.
That discussion was 2006 so I hope there are more on offer now as
opposed to then...
http://is.gd/1q4a
Joe
On Aug 13, 2008, at 17:07, Kepler Gelotte wrote:
If anybody is likely to collect a list of tools and software that
can
(or can be made to) deliver
surely you've heard of tinyURL?
On Aug 13, 2008, at 17:51, Bruce wrote:
From: Joseph Ortenzi wrote:
I shortened the URL for you.
That discussion was 2006 so I hope there are more on offer now as
opposed to then...
http://is.gd/1q4a
Joe
I would suggest using the forum. Someone created
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I vote @font-face
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Tony Crockford to...@boldfish.co.ukwrote:
On 15 Sep 2010, at 03:20, Luke Hoggett wrote:
Check out
- Google Font Directory http://code.google.com/webfonts
- TypeKit http://typekit.com/ which can be used through Google
You probably want to be mailing these questions to a wordpress
group, Marvin, as it's not a WSG issue.
Also, you don't need to run it on your local machine. it would make the most
sense to host it externally, on a shared server like Dreamhost, if you're OK
with a US-based server.
Joe
On Sat,
HI all
whereas accessibility (a.k.a. a11y) is not about web standards, one aspect of
it is about conformance with standards, in particular, the parsing of code. So
I guess it's OK to talk about it here for a little bit.
There are two points to consider here:
I just had a look at the myki
Hi Chris
Let me recap to make sure I get this. Pardon me if I miss the mark.
The web page is flat HTML and it has checkboxes, so that were someone to print
the page, they would use those checkboxes to mark with a pen.
The checkboxes have no purpose online, as you can't submit their information
Intention and purpose is everything.
Without a clear idea of either, it's hard to be certain on a reasonable route.
If there is no form or submit button, then the checkboxes WILL confuse screen
readers. I disagree that5 you want to indicate interaction. no-one benefits
from ticking boxes they
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