Re: [WSG] preload images javascript

2004-05-11 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nancy Johnson wrote: does a preload image _javascript_ speed up web pages that have many images? No, it doesn't. Preloading is used for loading an image which you aren't ready to display so that when you are ready to display it, it will already be in the cache, and

Re: [WSG] When the mix of visual appearance and meaning goes really bad

2004-05-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andy Budd wrote: Seems like using i or span class=italic are pretty much the same. No, here the span is worse. But it isn't a fair comparison since on one hand you're using the wrong tool the right way, but on the other hand you're using the right tool the wrong way. The class and id attribute,

Re: [WSG] JS Percentages?

2004-05-10 Thread Mordechai Peller
YoYoEtc wrote: And if some users do indeed disable it, what sort of code do you put it as an alternative to get the site to do what you want it to do? As a rule of thumb, never trust anything to JavaScript except in the following cases: 1) You have control of the environment (intranet, sever

Re: [WSG] Question on javascript

2004-05-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jack Kennard wrote: I notice there are a lot of sites in this group, that are using javascript. Are they mostly for determining browsers and then redirecting, or ? As others have suggested, building pages for individual browsers should generally be avoided. However, on those occasions where

Re: [WSG] Custom DTD's to allow target attribute? Yuck

2004-04-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nelson Ford wrote: The reason I brought this up was...this is a really interesting and pertinent topic at this point as XHTML and CSS start to become the rule rather than the exception. I wasn't even sure if browsers actually read the DTD to allow this to work. The only thing that

Re: [WSG] Using span

2004-05-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ever since I've been using the standards approach to web design, I've never used spans at all. What's the point of using them? In addition to what Mike wrote, they, like divs, can be used as hooks for style rules. In other words, if there is something which you wish to style, but there isn't

Re: [WSG] Web safe colours - still relevent ?

2004-05-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Neerav wrote: Is the opinion of list members that only using web safe colours in html/css is still the way to go or not relevant anymore? IMHO, Web safe colors are still important only so far as viewability. Even if the site doesn't look good, but usability and accessibility aren't impaired,

Re: [WSG] What is the Web? (was: Standards, SPAM, and accessibility - three hot topics all in one)

2004-05-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
theGrafixGuy wrote: quote(the web is not the (Internet)quote You are CORRECT in that, the Internet is a part of the web. No, the Web is part of the Internet. RESPECTFULLY, you sir are completely INCORRECT in the claim that SPAM is NOT on topic. Spam IS off topic (not that I mind, but that's a

Re: [WSG] Mozilla - Dont You Just Love It?

2004-05-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: -moz-border-radius I have to say that, i think its the *BEST* modification I have seen in a LONG time... I wish that IE had implemented something similar, I know its not valid CSS. I read that Mozilla included it, as well as others, not to offer extra standard features,

Re: [WSG] small css question

2004-04-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Paul Ingraham wrote: Gotta wrap it in p/p and center the contents of the paragraph? That wouldn't be a failing of CSS, but rather, of the older, very outdated (as opposed to IE6, which is just outdated) browsers. To expect someone to upgrade their browser I think is much more reasonable

Re: [WSG] I am having a problem...

2004-04-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: is it not true that all tags, eg: span li ul all are the same thing, if you remove all the browser defaults?? >From the standpoint of presentation alone. However, some have a function (i.e., a and form), some have nesting limitations from the dtd (an a cannot

Re: [WSG] Read Receipts!

2004-04-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Firminger wrote: Turn off read receipt requests when posting to this list! These horribly invasive things are worse than spam and I get most of them returned to me being the list administrator! For personal and business emails I see nothing wrong with them; they

Re: [WSG] Custom DTD's to allow target attribute? Yuck

2004-04-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nelson Ford wrote: I've seen more and more of this fiddling with DTD's lately, and I'm not sure it is a wise thing for us to be going off the standard... This is and idea I've been toying with recently, and I wasn't even sure if browsers actually read the DTD to allow this to work. I should add

Re: [WSG] WSG design competition voting time

2004-05-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Aaron DC wrote: tongue location=cheek According to ZenGarden, CSS allows us to easily have all 5 designs at the click of a link. You could add a design flag to each member and let them have which ever design they wanted yeah? /tongue You should take your tongue out of your cheek! They're all

Re: [WSG] Tables are dead?

2004-05-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
P.H.Lauke wrote: Off topic really, insofar as it doesn't directly solve your problem...but your post actually made me think the other way around, if you will...how to display a table, containing tabular data, in a more sexy way. A first attempt, still riddled with bugs, can be seen here

[WSG] XHTML v HTML (also a question about GoLive)

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
A potential client asked me: How does a xhtml site differ from an html site and will I be able to make modifications myself using a program such as Adobe Golive which creates html pages? It's the second half of the question with which I'm having a problem since I have no experience with

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Todini, Gianfranco (TWIi London) wrote: where should I put now the form validation? I mean can I still use the onsubmit event on the input type image and use the same _javascript_ function that there was before or is it everytime better to have the validation on the server-side to have a

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ned Lukies wrote: I come from a programming rather than a design background, so my opinion may not be the correct one as far as accessability is concerned. Since the issue is data validity, programming is what's important. That said, something I find even more annoying is a large form that is

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Nancy Johnson wrote: Dear All, This is a side track to this thread: I have always used .asp for form submission, but I want to find a _javascript_ and/or php versions of form submissions in case I have to do a site that does not have a windows based server. I think PHP is the way to

Re: [WSG] javascript form submission

2004-05-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ned Lukies wrote: I guess you could claim that javascript is quicker to highlight errors in the form. I have always found a stream of javascript alerts when submitting a form to be quite annoying. Only one alert, at most, is useful (one could argue zero is better). Beyond that, there are two

Re: [WSG] Vertical Height Alignment Issues

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am running with the following issue. I am working on a 2 col design. Unlike other areas, both the content the right side bar is of rounded corners with a gap in between. My issue is there will always be more content. How do i align my vertical height position of the

Re: [WSG] 'It Works in Gecko Browsers ...'

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Robert Reed wrote: The only way I can see a browser beating IE is if it looks, feels and behaves like IE in every way possible. An average user will not go to the trouble of downloading and installing another browser to replace the one they got with the OS - even if it has

[WSG] W3C Validater doesn't recognize XHTML

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
According to the W3C, my valid XHTML 1.1 page only validates to HTML 4.01 Strict. I'm checking for application/xhtml+xml in order to serve up the correct header and DOCTYPE, so apparently, their validater doesn't recognize that mime type! It would be nice to be able to use the logo, but if

Re: [WSG] Help with Float

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
russ - maxdesign wrote: Floats are suppose to extend past bottom of a container. That statement is correct in this instance but might be slightly misleading. It would be better to say that the heights of floated items are ignored by the parent container, so there is a possibility they may

Re: [WSG] W3C Validater doesn't recognize XHTML

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
noa wrote: The W3C validator does recognise application/xhtml+xml. The problem might be that you're not checking for the W3C's user agent string when you decide which browsers to send which MIME type to. The string is W3C_Validator. Checking for user agent doesn't make sense; there are too

Re: [WSG] Help with Float

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Sean Sullivan-Daley wrote: I am trying to float 3 columns next to each other. This appearas to be OK in IE6 but is broken in FireFox. The columns break out of the container in FireFox. Here is a link to the Files. http://sean.ashtonweb.com/test/ http://sean.ashtonweb.com/test/css/style2.css What

Re: [WSG] W3C Validater doesn't recognize XHTML

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ryan Christie wrote: I assume you're using PHP Mordechai? If so, copypaste this -- based off Simon's script but altered for 1.1 DTD instead of 1.0Tran, with added sniffing:: Good guess. I had already made the mods to 1.1 and 4.01 Strict, as well as removed the lang error. Needing the sniffing

Re: [WSG] CSS: box at the bottom

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Matthias wrote: I want a type of three-col layout inside a wrapper. On the right-hand-side is a nav at the top, no big deal (a float or position:absolute does the trick). In the middle there is the content (no trick at all, I think). On the left-hand-side there shall be a support/credit box

Re: [WSG] title question

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ted Drake wrote: I just came across something new for me. I just started working with this company and they are using jsp with Tomcat and Jaquar as the server environment. the pages are being built with Forte as the editor of choice. I tried, in all my accessibility lovingness to add title

Re: [WSG] height problem

2004-05-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Stanton wrote: Thanks Patrick Yes you are right about html being the top level container, but I guess I was thinking about visible area - I never realised that you could style the html. Will try this out for sure. I recall reading somewhere that you can style the title element. You of

Re: [WSG] Vertical Height Alignment Issues

2004-05-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Peller for the link. You're welcome. I did had a look. but my problem is a bit different. From the sounds of it, not as much as you think. I am not using flat floated menus. Shouldn't matter. If it is flat than i can put a similar bg color or graphics to level

[WSG] IE/Win vs IE/Mac

2004-05-20 Thread Mordechai Peller
You would figure, one company, one logic, one set of bugs. But no! Here's to Web Standards. Thank's Bill. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to

Re: [WSG] IE/Win vs IE/Mac

2004-05-21 Thread Mordechai Peller
Michael Donnermeyer wrote: Wrote by two completely different teams of programmers, with different mentalities. They actually share very little in common with each other, other than the name that is. I know. It was a rant in which I should have hit delete rather than send. What inspired it was a

Re: [WSG] Problem with listmenu - unwanted margin in IE

2004-05-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
:@broadpark.no: Siteman DA - Bent Inge His wrote: Hi everybody! I hope somebody can help me with this frustrating problem. The menu works fine in Opera, but in IE i get an unexpected margin in the bottom. What am i doin' wrong here? I have given up :..( I took a look at

Re: [WSG] XHTML/HTML

2004-05-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mike Pepper wrote: Agreed. I now just do XHTML 1.1. There is no 'strict'; just markup. I don't see any reason to use anything less (except, maybe when dealing with legacy code). There are countless pros and cons (like the IE xml prelude) but it's helped me get a better understanding of the

Re: [WSG] CSS Positioning of Navigation

2004-05-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Sean Sullivan-Daley wrote: CSS Positioning of Navigation I am having a problem with IE again. I am trying to create a framed top navigation. It seems to work in Safari/Firefox the way I intended. The only way I can seem to get it to work in IE 6 is to add padding to the HeadNav id this pushed

Re: [WSG] Mini buttons (was: hey)

2004-05-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jochen Sengier [SHiKai] wrote: Its great you guys are promoting XHTML, CSS and such.. On behalf of my small part, thank you. On the WSG MINI BUTTON page, you publish the code for adding The image, but the code itself isnt valid xhtml strict

Re: [WSG] wsg newbie questions

2004-05-26 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rick Faaberg wrote: - no html emails, only text (I'm tired of resizing fonts and stuff to make messages readable A better solution would be to ask people that if they send HTML to use some minimum size. Also, perhaps to always send a plain text version as an option. - always have some text

Re: [WSG] CSS editor

2004-05-29 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote: The voices are telling me that t94xr.net.nz webmaster said on 5/28/2004 9:55 AM: Topstyle Pro 3.10 Pro is a better bet. ...and Nick is a decent guy who really supports his products. TS3.10 is the best I've seen. It's a very good (X)HTML and perhaps the best CSS

Re: [WSG] third style sheet needed?

2004-05-31 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a style sheet I am using for the web media=screen and I also have one for print purposes media=print. I also want to hide the CSS from older browsers such as NS 4.0 etc. using the @import feature if possible. snip/ It would help if you supplied either a URL or a

Re: [WSG] Budget Design

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kat Rasmussen wrote: What Rick says is true -- it is illegal for US businesses (including individuals who freelance) to discuss rates with members of the same industry. The legal term here is price fixing, and it is taken very seriously, regardless of the intent of the discussion or the context

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Neerav wrote: My premise is that any sensible business person should try to differentiate from competitors by showing they have skills that no one else has, vast experience etc and justify charging more than the competition because of that As I see it, Web standards allows you to charge more

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood WebMail wrote: In a perfect world, but we always no when it comes to standards unless your keeping it simple i would never quote a hourly rate. Would rather go flat fee and get a even medium and make sure i get the job done, and keep the client happy and willing to come back...

Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jad Madi wrote: Useing a safe web colors, is it a standard? is it a Must? I would say you shouldn't ignore the issue, but you don't need to limit yourself either. If a site doesn't look as good under the limited spectrum, so what. If, however, it looks hideous, then maybe it's worth making

Re: [WSG] third style sheet needed?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the site is http://creekside.dpsnc.net and the CSS is located at http://creekside.dpsnc.net/print.css and http://creekside.dpsnc.net/creekside.css\ I take it you didn't try to validate? If you did, you probably would have found the extra quotation mark in the link/.

Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andy Budd wrote: You say that as though the time savings are an undeniable fact. In my experience using CSS increases the initial template build and testing time but decreases the time taken to develop individual pages. As such, the time savings only really start to manifest themselves on

Re: [WSG] third style sheet needed?

2004-06-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually did run in through the validator once, but I guess not after adding the second style sheet. It's a very good first line debugging tool. My mistake there. No, it's not; your patent is invalid due to prior art. I'm really not lazy and don't expect others to do

Re: [WSG] Accessible News Scroller/Ticker and Footer issue in IE

2004-06-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jaime W wrote: Does anyone know if there are any resources to accessible news scroller/ticker not written in _javascript_? I have been looking all over for one that is not done in _javascript_ and it seems that JS and Flash are the common news scroller around. Have you tried

Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback

2004-06-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys, I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we have created: http://www.jet.org.au. We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than any Bobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We are

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: If this doesn't convince a web professional to take a serious look at these standards nothing will. and MACCAWS ( www.MACCAWS.org ) doesnt do this? Not the same way. maccaws' argument is an intellectual argument, while

[WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-03 Thread Mordechai Peller
If you try to complain about IE to a client, they'll most likely say that that's our problem. The truth is, since they are paying the bill, it's their problem. It seems that the only way to get truth through to them is to include in the invoice: Corrections To Make IE Compatible. If they say

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Firminger wrote: I totally disagree. IE (with it's problems) is the dominant browser and it's absolutely your problem (the web developer) to make sure the site you build for a client works on the most likely user-agent. Didn't nay not to make the site work in IE. What I'm suggesting is

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Manuel González Noriega wrote: FYI, that concept is called MOSE and described here http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/06/25/mose/ Thanks. So someone with more clout than me said it about a year ago. What I'm adding is that we should let the client know we're doing it, but not charging

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood WebMail wrote: Im sorry but you never ever suggest to a client that the site will not work in IE, 9 time out of 10 a client will only know about IE. If your suggesting standards you should know what and what not to do to make a standard site work accross all browsers. I said the

Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Without question, the best editor out there (at least until the next version come out--which should be soon) is TopStyle 3.10. Full support for XHTML 1.1 (a default template is missing, but can be added in under a minute), CSS-2, and Ruby. It has code highlighting for several scripting

Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Rick Faaberg wrote: What is Ruby? Contrary to what others seem to have thought, I meant the Ruby Annotation specification from the W3C: http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/ I mentioned Ruby support not because I think it's that useful in most instances, but rather what having the support says

Re: [WSG] Standard Hacks?

2004-06-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: It is always best to avoid any sort of hack. It's important to remember why hacks exist in the first place. More often than not, it's because a browser either doesn't support a feature of CSS, or worse, supports it incorrectly. There is always a way around a hack, if that

Re: [WSG] Standard Hacks?

2004-06-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
J4Web wrote: style type=text/css media=screen@import url(/stylesheets/wsg_advanced.css);/style link rel=stylesheet href=/stylesheets/wsg_main.css type=text/css media=screen Is the import hack a candidate for first (or sole) item on the list of standard hacks? After giving it some thought, I

Re: [WSG] file extensions

2004-06-13 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marc Greenstock wrote: that means the server has to scan the specified directory for all those files rather than retrieving the specific files. The server has to scan the directory anyway in order to find the file matching the requested name. Server software isn't omniscient, scanning the

Re: [WSG] Interesting reading

2004-06-14 Thread Mordechai Peller
Marie wrote: I can't believe y'all are taking this guy seriously enough to even comment I can. I'm guessing that the reason so many have commented is that they are so blown away by the nonsensical idiocy put to HTML. Often in situations, such as this one, where one is overwhelmed by the conflict

Re: [WSG] HTML, CSS and Mobiles

2004-06-15 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lachlan Hardy wrote: Chris Stratford wrote: So its incorrectly loading the media for SCREEN... and wont load CSS from one method either... This is fairly typical of small-screen devices. Since most web developers don't use CSS properly yet, and many of those who do don't create handheld CSS,

[WSG] Safety experts advise switching browsers

2004-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
This may be good news for standards. http://www.itweek.co.uk/News/1155868 : Ubizen has advised computer users to switch to alternative web browsers like Netscape or Mozilla for the moment. Also at: http://www.ubizen.com/c_about_us/2_public_relations/2004/040611_e.html Now the question is will

Re: [WSG] Safety experts advise switching browsers

2004-06-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Patrick Griffiths wrote: I think what would be better than individuals switching would be for computer manufacturers to pre-install Mozilla or Opera on PC's. It would be nice if Opera would do this. I don't see it as a possibility with Mozilla for a very simple reason: money. Another possibility,

Re: [WSG] Site check please

2004-06-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ian Fenn wrote: I changed the screen resolution to 1024x768 but no change. It's ill advised to design for a particular resolution, especially a high one. Any ideas on what may be the cause of the problem? I haven't looked for a solution yet, but I did find another problem. While it looks

Re: [WSG] Site check please

2004-06-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ian Fenn wrote: I need help from more experienced hands. :-/ I'm not sure I qualify, and I've only been able to give the code a brief look, but I think I can at least put you on the right path. For starters, it's a lot easier to debug code which is properly indented. You want to condense it to

Re: [WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-18 Thread Mordechai Peller
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Amidst all the hubhub about Standards and Validation, some people are arguing that they use XHTML served correctly as application/xhtml+xml to ensure that their documents validate. Their reasoning is: if I make a mistake in my code, browsers will fail to render the

[WSG] Disabilities Survey (was: Re: Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation)

2004-06-19 Thread Mordechai Peller
russ - maxdesign wrote: Before meeting David I always read that navigation should be last I nthe source. I asked David this when he came to talk to the WSG recently and he said emphatically: The navigation should go before the content. This proves once again the difficulty of perfect

Re: [WSG] small gap

2004-06-22 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kim Kruse wrote: I'm sorry to ask this question but I've been looking at this page for too long and I can't see why there is a small gap between the top nav and the content. #menu #current a {padding-bottom:5px;} versus #menu a {padding-bottom:4px;} Change either to match the other and you

Re: [WSG] OT - Standards Compliant Websites Directory

2004-06-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Razvan Pop wrote: I've started to build a Standards Compliant Websites Directory. A Web Directory where only Valid W3C sites will be accepted. What do you think? Should I continue? Interesting idea. If you do so, you'll need to recheck validity on a regular basis. In which case, you should do

Re: [WSG] New mobile standards body

2004-06-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kyle Barrow wrote: OMTP is a new standards body attempting to promote open standards amongst mobile manufacturers. With the messy state of Web standards compliance on mobiles, an organisation like this is long overdue although I noticed NTT DoCoMo is a member which is rather like inviting

Re: [WSG] IE linked image border grief

2004-06-24 Thread Mordechai Peller
Justin French wrote: If we had *ascendant* selectors, my problem would be solved, but we don't: imga { border:0; } Bowman stopdesign.com solves the problem with a 'noline' class on his linked image tags, but in this case, I can't edit the source of the image tag, as it's

Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans

2004-06-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Blown wrote: Thats _really_ bad Browser checking is a thing of the past and should be gladly forgotten. Something that we can all thank the web standards project for. Is there a valid reason to do browser checking? I can't think of one... There are plenty of reasons to do so server side,

Re: [WSG] Site Deconstruction, those crafty Germans

2004-06-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kyle Barrow wrote: Once user agent if...else or switch statements enter your code, you begin the walk down the slippery slope to code obsolescence, especially with mobiles. True, but I never suggested indiscriminate usage. While in most cases it over used, and therefor best to avoid, judicious

Re: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal

2004-06-27 Thread Mordechai Peller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this is ok to ask. This subject is of great interest to me and I can't find the original message it: Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal. I haven't check this mailbox in a week so I've got hundreds of messages and may have accidentally deleted the original

Re: [WSG] A question about names

2004-06-28 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ted Drake wrote: As far as I know, the name attribute for creating anchor tags is being depricated. Is that the same for our forms? If I am using an input or selector, should I only use an id attribute or should I continue using the name as well? Not just anchors, but for almost all elements.

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-30 Thread Mordechai Peller
John Horner wrote: So, the question is, what does the browser actually do? Three developers, discussing this, came up with different answers. Does it download only the images required for that page, download all images, or does it download the ones needed right away and the others in the

Re: [WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9

2004-07-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ben Bishop wrote: You have an unstyled unordered list inside the body of an otherwise empty, yet valid (x)HTML page - and when this page is rendered in Firefox 0.9 and the mouse pointer moved over the list, the list disappears? That would be a pretty big bug even for Microsoft to let

[WSG] fieldset is REQUIRED

2004-07-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
After getting: Error: element label not allowed here; possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element. I finally figured out that a fieldset is required for XHTML1.1. However, after after doing some checking I couldn't find anything at the W3C about it in anything which

Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch

2004-07-01 Thread Mordechai Peller
Sage Olson wrote: Here's my header: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en That's not you HTTP header. The HTTP headers are sent by the server before even the first byte of your document is

Re: [WSG] fieldset is REQUIRED

2004-07-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
McCain wrote: Inputs and form elements MUST be inside a Block element like fieldset, div, p, ... for XHTML 1.0 Strict complience, but not necesarily and only inside fieldset. I recheck and yes, other block level elements (except for form) or misc class (ins, del, script, noscript) are

Re: [WSG] auto generated PHP sessions identifier causes valodation errors

2004-07-03 Thread Mordechai Peller
Anders Nawroth wrote: You could also avoid using session id's in links, using only cookies. php_value session.use_trans_sid 0 php_value session.use_only_cookies 1 This also takes care of the security issue (not a 100% fix, but it helps) of having the ID in the address window and in the links.

Re: [WSG] Styling Text...

2004-07-03 Thread Mordechai Peller
Chris Stratford wrote: I am just writing because I have been wondering if there is a better way of styling text. Since BUI etc... are all outlawed and now depreciated... How do you style your inner P text? First, to clear up some confusion. While neither b, nor i have been deprecated, there use

Re: [WSG] Styling Text...

2004-07-03 Thread Mordechai Peller
Geoff Deering wrote: It depends which DTD you are referencing as to whether they are deprecated or not, but U is definitely deprecated in everything from HTML4 onwards. And B and I are deprecated for future compatibility because they belong in "Font Style Elements", which are all

Re: [WSG] Styling Text...

2004-07-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Geoff Deering wrote: Yes, correct for XHTML1.x, but I can't see it in your reference to http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-inline-text.html#sec_9.12. All the font style elements have been removed in XHTML2. The reference was in regards to sub and sup which currently are valid XHTML2 without any

Re: [WSG] Styling Text...

2004-07-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Geoff Deering wrote: They are not part of the "Font Style Elements", they are part of the "Special Inline Elements". But this shows how even the W3C specs can be misleading, cause FONT is part of the Special Inline Elements", yet B, I, U etc are "Font Style Elements". I've done some

Re: [WSG] My CSS not multi browser - help needed

2004-07-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Robert O'Neill wrote: Looks as expected in IE6 but navigation does not float as expected in Opera and in Mozilla the footer moves to the top of the page. Any help, advice, or guidance would be greatly appreciated. The problem is that you're assuming IE6 is getting it right. That's a bad

Re: [WSG] Styling Text...

2004-07-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Geoff Deering wrote: I have no disagreement with this at all. What I am saying is if you develop a large site, that is very well designed and engineered, then, when XHTML2 comes out there are found to be HUGE benefits for using it (this is just hypothetical), then what is the cost

Re: [WSG] What CMSs are Developers Using

2004-07-05 Thread Mordechai Peller
Neerav wrote: The WSG has a new (since Jan 2004) mailing list for discussion on Content Management. Unfortunately, the level of activity isn't exactly spectacular. Anyway, thanks for link to the archive; I don't remember seeing it listed in the resources when I looked a few weeks backs.

[WSG] Sliding Doors not working in Opera

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Here's the situation: Sliding doors, right justified. Works fine in Firefox and IE/Win 5.01+. In Opera 7.23 all the tabs line up vertically. According to the ALA article IE/Mac does something similar. The solution there is to float the anchors, but it doesn't help here. The only thing which

Re: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Michael Kear wrote: Ive lost a reference to another excellent article I read about how to guarantee that two or three columns will go all the way to the bottom of the page, regardless of the length of any of the columns. Can anyone help? Was it

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Neerav wrote: I havent tried this, but it sounds interesting http://www.phoenity.com/newtedge/hide_email_spambots/ Two problems: doesn't allow mailto:; and doesn't work in IE. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
How's about: pso-and-soscriptdocument.write(@anywhere.com)/scriptnoscript@anywhere.com/noscript/p At least you're covered whether or not JavaScript is enabled. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] I've done it again ...

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kay Smoljak wrote: On an almost completely unrelated and off-topic topic, I find it interesting that the word Favourites has never become as popular as Bookmarks, even amongst casual non-technical users, despite the fact that IE has like 110% market share. I guess it's because you can't use

Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS

2004-07-06 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Stanton wrote: - If its visible to users spam harvestors can get it if they really want to. Of course. The point is just to make it more difficult. A car alarm doesn't stop car theft, but with all else equal, the thief will choose one without an alarm.

[WSG] Drop Shadows

2004-07-07 Thread Mordechai Peller
Client wants drop shadow on the site name and some photos in the header. For the photos I was planning on using one of the methods at ALA. The bigger problem is the text. CSS has a text-shadow property, but it seems the even Firefox doesn't support it. It seems I'm left with following choices:

Re: [WSG] XHTML 2.0 Browser

2004-07-08 Thread Mordechai Peller
Noa Groveman wrote: Hey guys. I remember seeing this a while back, but for the life of me I can't find it now. It's an experimental browser that supports everything currently included in the XHTML 2.0 spec. Does anyone know what it's called? XHTML 2.0 is still in draft status. There is

Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)

2004-07-08 Thread Mordechai Peller
Hugh Todd wrote: Who would elect such a body? Web designers? Governments? Users? The UN? As it is, we have the major browser manufacturers on board, the guy who invented the web heading it up, and some of the clearest-thinking, most far-sighted people in the web community making contributions

Re: Future.....(was: Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs)

2004-07-08 Thread Mordechai Peller
brian cummiskey wrote: Opps- Thunderbird handels multiple quoted messages poorly. I blame it fully for that error :) Couldn't possibly be user error :X That's funny. I usually find it does a better job than most. * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Styling of Web Forms

2004-07-08 Thread Mordechai Peller
Geoff Deering wrote: I'd like to ask others opinions about the issue of adding your own styles for web forms. It's a tool I could only see myself using slightly, if at all, most of the the, but when you need it, you want it to be there. So yes, it would be a good tool to have in the toolbox.

[WSG] id or class on html or body

2004-07-09 Thread Mordechai Peller
Putting an id or class on the html or body tags is a useful way of targeting slight variations in style rules with resorting to a second style sheet. I remember seeing a discussion of the pros and cons, but I can't remember where. Does anybody have a link? Or perhaps the discussion can begin

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