Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
layout? Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 04:02 AM, Kristof Neirynck wrote: Nick Gleitzman wrote: I've been trying to emulate, with CSS alone, what I've been doing for years with tables: create a grid of thumbnails, each

Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Roy - ummm, did I miss a post? Can you point me to 'Bert's layout'? Thanks Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 01:59 AM, RC Pierce wrote: Bert's thumbnail layout is really quite straight forward. Wish I'd o' thought of

Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2004 11:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions Roy - ummm, did I miss a post? Can you point me to 'Bert's layout'? Thanks Nick

Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?

2004-06-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On a Mac: BBEdit, but I'm testing HyperEdit (still in beta) when I've got time because it offers real-time side-by-side comparison of code and result. Not 100% sure as yet of the rendering side, though... Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ On

Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions

2004-06-06 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Wow. I (and no doubt every other Mac user in the world) will be shocked and deeply perturbed to discover that we've wasted our money. I wonder if Apple give refunds? Let me suggest that the direction this thread is taking should stop right here - it's gonna get off-topic (ie Mac v PC) really

Re: [WSG] Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation

2004-06-06 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 08:59 PM, Neerav wrote: Nick thats a top idea, have done as you suggest, adding links to the top level parts of the menu eg: Products. You're welcome. Im sure you know that the probability of IE X (the next version) being released as part of the next Windows

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 08:11 PM, Giles Clark wrote: snip Isn't it about time we took a more active role in shaping the future of browsers. We could clearly state that as a community we write/develop for a list of acceptable browsers which comply to standards (we're just going to have to

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 01:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we are going to make sites that only work in certain browsers why not just code to IE's standards and not bother with the obscure browsers like firefox and opera. That way we don't need standards at all! I can have my

Re: [WSG] www.seoed.com - Please review

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
My comments are mainly about the interface: Can I suggest you use a list for the navigation bar at top? You have for the one at bottom... Maybe a bit more contrast in that navbar? even a bit more padding around the words themselves? You might like to look at the way the word 'SEOed' is

Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Peter Firminger wrote: Could it be that your site is broken, not the browser? We don't have any trouble accommodating IE with standards compliant code. I think your taking the argument too far and blaming the tool. There are very few issues remaining if

Re: [WSG] IE-Win / Floated List Issue

2004-06-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 01:51 PM, Michael Donnermeyer wrote: The Chapters are in an unordered list that's displayed inline and floated to the left. Of course the more proper browsers (Safari, Mozillas, Opera, IE-Mac) are handling everything correctly...IE Win however has decided to be

Re: [WSG] How to Make Your Web Site Work with Windows XP Service Pack 2

2004-06-09 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, June 10, 2004, at 10:40 AM, Neerav wrote: I foresee in my crystal ball a lot of headaches for web developers who use popups Heres something that might help http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/ dnwxp/html/xpsp2websites.asp Anybody else get a 404

Re: [WSG] How to Make Your Web Site Work with Windows XP Service Pack 2

2004-06-09 Thread Nick Gleitzman
be no space between en-us/ and dnwxp in the link -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 Nick Gleitzman wrote: On Thursday, June 10, 2004, at 10:40 AM, Neerav wrote: I foresee in my crystal ball a lot of headaches for web developers who use popups

Re: [WSG] HTML email - mac testers please

2004-06-09 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Mark: Mac OSX comes with a prog called Mail (known as Apple Mail), then there's, I guess, Entourage for MS Office users, Outlook Express, Eudora - and others. I use Mail - which by logic should use the Safari engine for rendering HTML - but I've had similar problems with unwanted white space

Re: [WSG] KHTML ??

2004-06-10 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 06:56 PM, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: just in the art of humur? What is Google? Camz :D www.fuckingkhtmlit.com N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list

Re: [WSG] First table-free site

2004-06-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 01:08 AM, Mary Wright wrote: - there seems to be an extra 5px padding above and to the left of the image in the banner div - Hi Mary Looks to me like there's an extra 5px all round the banner img - could it be the padding: 5px declared for the div#banner that's

Re: [WSG] First table-free site

2004-06-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 01:58 AM, Iain Gardiner wrote: I've had a look at the site and CSS (nice-looking by the way) and although I am pretty poor at analysing other people's problems, I think it might come down to theis rule: #sidebar-a { float: left; width: 100px; \width: 110px; /*

Re: [WSG] First table-free site

2004-06-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 01:08 AM, Mary Wright wrote: - there seems to be an extra 5px padding above and to the left of the image in the banner div - Mary - forgot to mention: the overall width of div#container in Safari 1.0.2 is 730px, but you've declared it at 710px - so the extra

Re: [WSG]   ma\rgin-right

2004-06-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Saturday, June 12, 2004, at 09:03 AM, Christopher Kennon wrote: Hi, Where can I read about this work around? Chris Not sure if this works on all selectors, but try http://www.info.com.ph/~etan/w3pantheon/style/modifiedsbmh.html Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight.

Re: [WSG] scrolling area

2004-06-14 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Monday, June 14, 2004, at 11:29 PM, Justin French wrote: So, I'd like to experiment with a javascript/css based solution which (preferably) is 100% accessible, based on a scroll box with simple up and down arrows, etc. Justin, take a look at the solution I came up with for two sites last

Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;

2004-06-15 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, June 15, 2004, at 04:29 PM, Rick Faaberg wrote: On 6/14/04 11:21 PM t94xr.net.nz webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: excellent example www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/ http://www.t94xr.net.nz/plinks/> Camz Doesn't work in Safari, though? Rick Faaberg Which Safari? Works OK in

Re: [WSG] Have stared too long

2004-06-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 06:36 AM, Veine K Vikberg wrote: My main problem is the blasted unordered list where the bullets disappear in IE, and the picture going off to the left in Opera. I don't see any css declaration at all for the ul; add one and you can control bullet position. For

Re: [WSG] Middle Div gets shoved around in IE

2004-06-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 02:40 PM, Roger Williams wrote: In IE for Mac or PC the middle div gets bumped around: www.yogavillage.net I have set all the widths accordingly and the middle div gets a min-width of 430 px which is wider than the center graphic. Any ideas? i have a feeling that

Re: [WSG] Middle Div gets shoved around in IE

2004-06-19 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 04:37 AM, Roger Williams wrote: When the browser is reduced in width to less than 800px the middle content gets shoved down. If the browser is wider then everything is fine. OK, on closer observation: Safari 1.0.2: the #middle div doesn't get shoved down; a

Re: [WSG] pixel to ems converter

2004-06-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 05:11 PM, Michael Andrews wrote: Hi, Just thought I ask if there is bit of math or a web site that can accurately convert pixels to ems. If I want to size an image in ems so it will scale with text re-sizing I kinda doing it manually at the moment by dividing by 12

Re: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 09:31 PM, John Penlington wrote: No problem getting the thumbnail-caption combinations to display using left floated divs - thanks to Russ Weakley's float tutorials.   But I just cannot find the way to get these thumbnail-caption combinations to align at the

Re: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 11:01 PM, Trusz, Andrew wrote: Couple of industrial strength options; both of which I've used. One is purely visual - organize the pictures by height.  The pictures seem to come in roughly two heights so group them that way and they will mostly take care of

Re: [WSG] Problem with floated divs in gallery site

2004-06-24 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, June 25, 2004, at 12:22 AM, John Penlington wrote: I just cannot find a CSS way to emulate the table cell attribute *valign='bottom'*. If I can do that, I can solve the problem. In the embedded CSS I've used a class table.gallery{vertical-align: bottom; ...} and it works with the

Re: [WSG] Importing hacks into CSS? Whats the point?

2004-06-27 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Monday, June 28, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Lachlan Hardy wrote: I'm with Mike on this. I don't see a benefit. In fact, when I read the article it looked like more work to me : 1. Hacks in main CSS file - Hack gets outdated, edit CSS file and remove hack 2. Hacks in separate CSS file - Hack gets

Re: [WSG] Horizontal List problem in IE

2004-06-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Hard to tell exactly without seeing full context (a link is better than a code extract), but why not do this and avoid the nested list: ul liDaddy raquo;/li li/li lia href=#Child A/anbsp; |/li lia href=# Child B/anbsp; |/li lia href=# Child C/anbsp; |/li lia href=# Child D/anbsp; |/li /ul Nick

Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?

2004-06-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, at 10:43 AM, Tim Lucas wrote: I know that for Gecko based browsers background images defined in stylesheets (inline or linked) are deferred from loading until they are asked to display themselves. This also helps because many style sheet rules containing images

Re: [WSG] Please use plain text in emails

2004-07-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Monday, July 5, 2004, at 02:58 PM, Hugh Todd wrote: We've had many, many calls for emails to this list to be posted in plain text rather than HTML or rich text. May I reiterate the call? A fair number of recent emails have shown up in my email client with tiny, hard-to-read text. So,

Re: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators

2004-07-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Monday, July 5, 2004, at 08:49 PM, simon @ london web mill wrote: Im a new boy to the discussion group. Pointed in this direction by Jeffery Zeldman's 'Designing with Web Standards'. I must say Web Standards has been a 'breathe of fresh air' for me. Its the way forward, for sure. What Im

Re: [WSG] id or class on html or body

2004-07-09 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Saturday, Jul 10, 2004, at 02:37 Australia/Sydney, Justin French wrote: - trigger active and inactive tabs on a menu navigation (can't think of an example) http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ N ___

Re: [WSG] setting width for lis when inline

2004-07-13 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004, at 07:32 Australia/Sydney, Scott Reston wrote: I'm attempting to build a horizontal menu that from an unordered list. My plan is to provide the list as text in the html, then use an image-replacement scheme (ala

Re: [WSG] CSS Opacity

2004-07-13 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Jul 13, 2004, at 22:03 Australia/Sydney, Joe Leech wrote: I know this really isn't strictly *standard* but... I am using the css level 3 opacity property (and using the alpha filter for IE) for various content boxes to show the background image. However, I have just placed an image

Re: [WSG] CSS Tabs

2004-07-15 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, Jul 16, 2004, at 10:08 Australia/Sydney, Jad Madi wrote: hmm what I want is , for example http://www.alistapart.com/d/slidingdoors2/v1/ex10a.html# when I click on any tab to be active? How to do it? On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:37:28 +1000, Dave Rayner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you mean

Re: [WSG] Strange padding in IE?

2004-07-20 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Jul 20, 2004, at 16:05 Australia/Sydney, James Cowperthwaite wrote: The layout problem occurs in IE (fine in mozilla). I want to keep the text flowing down the page in a straight line, but in IE when the text passes the end of the blue box, it moves in by 1 or 2 pixels (illustrated

Re: [WSG] Is Mac IE 5 Support (Worth) It ?

2004-07-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, Jul 21, 2004, at 18:21 Australia/Sydney, Neerav wrote: http://photomatt.net/2004/07/16/mac-ie/ Current stats from Apple indicate that around 50% of Mac users worldwide have made the move to OSX. The other half - still on OS9.x - are very likely to be using IE5. Even some OSX users

Re: [WSG] css and cms (elegant product sought)

2004-07-22 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, Jul 23, 2004, at 13:44 Australia/Sydney, Roly wrote: a couple of questions, somewhat off topic   I would like to capture an image of the the whole html page i.e.  what is not visible in the scroll region, so the image would capture something like an 800 x 3000 region to be printed in

Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE

2004-07-27 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, Jul 28, 2004, at 02:04 Australia/Sydney, Siteman DA - Bent Inge wrote: I'm aware of the problem with list items, and it sucks... But the markup (http://www.regnskapsbyraet.no/sider/designmal.php) can't be changed in order for the menu to work. So the changes has to be made in the

Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Nick Gleitzman
You might also be interested in Zeldman's coverage of this concept at http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0704d.shtml - including the hassle that one UK coder experienced as a result... I'd be very careful about publishing reworked versions of other people's copyrighted materials, even if you have the

Re: [WSG] layout problem

2004-08-06 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Using IE5 as your default browser for development is going to give you these headaches every time. Build to a Standards-compliant browser - Firefox is probably best if you're on a Mac - and *then* use the hacks you need for IE5, but only if you *really* need to. Good css shouldn't require

Re: [WSG] Doctype Javascript and accessibility

2004-08-10 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Aug 10, 2004, at 22:46 Australia/Sydney, Nancy Johnson wrote: I am having trouble with server side includes working with documents ending in .htm or .html. They only seem to work with .asp documents. Change the file suffixes to .shtm or .shtml and your includes should work OK.

Re: [WSG] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Why_does_this_floated_text_not_show_up_in_IE??=

2004-08-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Couple of real quick guesses: 1. You have both those classes styled with text-decoration: none. As they're not links, that's redundant. Remove those styles. 2. Try giving the classes in question declared widths. 3. Actually, it may be the z-index value for the containing #information - ? It's

Re: [WSG] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Why_does_this_floated_text_not_show_up_in_IE??=

2004-08-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
I was wrong on all 3 counts. It's the IE Peekaboo bug; add height:1% to your .credit declaration and the two floated classes appear... but the black border of #information is then affected... bugger. It's too late in the day; I'll have another look tomorrow, if someone hasn't already come up

Re: [WSG] Why does this floated text not show up in IE?

2004-08-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Thursday, Aug 12, 2004, at 02:09 Australia/Sydney, Owen Gregory wrote: Nick Gleitzman wrote: Oh, and try using relative font sizes, rather than px; Windows users can't resize your type if they want to when you use 11px as a font size. You must be fading, Nick. It's IE/Windows users who

Re: [WSG] Image size--where should it be?

2004-08-12 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, Aug 13, 2004, at 09:59 Australia/Sydney, Edd Hale wrote: I am new to CSS and I am not sure if the image size (width and height) should appear in the HTML or be handled by CSS. Thank you. Edd Aside from the validity/informational/decorative issues, the inclusion of width and height

Re: [WSG] Can someone reproduce these issues for me please?

2004-08-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Aug 17, 2004, at 09:38 Australia/Sydney, Seona Bellamy wrote: I have a couple of issues with the site I'm working on. They have been reported by the client, and I'm having trouble reliably replicating any of them so I can't work out how to fix them. Can someone please take a look

Re: [WSG] list item markers disappear behind floated image

2004-08-17 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Pete, that's not a drawback - that's what list-style-position: inside is intended to do! N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ On Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004, at 09:45 Australia/Sydney, Peter Ottery wrote: the only drawback i can see from that is that

Re: [WSG] Form fields in navbar causing IE to expand size of bar

2004-08-17 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, Aug 18, 2004, at 10:18 Australia/Sydney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, putting in the form field into my global nav div cause the brown bar (especially in IE) to become quite wide and not look right. I do recall reading somewhere some time ago that the form tag causes some

Re: [WSG] Unaccessible - NY Attorney General busts two big name sites

2004-08-22 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Sunday, Aug 22, 2004, at 09:48 Australia/Sydney, Michael Kear wrote: I was interested that the Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission uses tables for layout in their web site at: http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/index.html

Re: [WSG] Div-based design example

2004-08-23 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Aug 24, 2004, at 14:27 Australia/Sydney, John Horner wrote: What would members recommend? Does this design, for instance, require relative, not absolute positioning? I haven't closely checked the the CSS, but in principal, yes - absolutely (umm... yuh.). I think your friend needs to

Re: [WSG] Absolute positioning vs floats

2004-08-25 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, Aug 25, 2004, at 18:49 Australia/Sydney, Mike Foskett wrote: Have you considered the documents appearance on a 160px wide PDA? How about a Braille reader? Surely you wouldn't deliver the layout CSS to either of these devices... semantically structured text and (for the PDA)

Re: [WSG] Can someone help me figure out some semantic mark-up, please?

2004-08-27 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, Aug 27, 2004, at 18:20 Australia/Sydney, Seona Bellamy wrote: I know this sounds like a lot of extraneous steps, but it is on the Admin side of the site and it to allow them to easily administer a list of something like 50,000 line items without having to scroll forever or keep going

Re: [WSG] CSS - select list

2004-08-27 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, Aug 27, 2004, at 15:37 Australia/Sydney, Zaac Woodhead wrote: Is it possible to apply css to a select drop down/multiple select list. Have a design on my desk with a fully formatted selectl list - including the arrows, etc. Iknow it does not meet standards, but is this possbile?  

Re: [WSG] Can someone help me figure out some semantic mark-up, please?

2004-08-28 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Sunday, Aug 29, 2004, at 09:09 Australia/Sydney, Seona Bellamy wrote: Well, I've found a way around the problem (used an incrementing counter instead of the ID-number from the database, so each item has a unique ID) so this question isn't exactly pressing any more. I'd still love to know the

Re: [WSG] Sliding doors and Mac IE5.2

2004-08-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Sunday, Aug 29, 2004, at 17:08 Australia/Sydney, Kim Kruse wrote: I'm using the ALA tab menu (sliding doors) as my main nav. Now I've been told that it breaks in Mac/IE5 into something like this... left tab img - the link - right tab img. Is it possible to get it right in Mac/IE5.2? Hi Kim

Re: [WSG] background image on a horizontal list.

2004-09-01 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Hi Lennart - welcome. Your buttons are only visible for the width of the word used for your links, plus its padding - so a bigger (wider) word reveals more of your button. Try this: #navlist li { list-style: none; margin: 4px; float: left; } #navlist li a { display: block; ...etc }

Re: [WSG] Can I use frames AND css?

2004-09-23 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, Sep 24, 2004, at 10:40 Australia/Sydney, Daniela Meleo wrote: NOW, the client has decided that after handover he will need the ability to easily add new pages whenever he needs to (as additional topics not yet know become required.) He's an open source techie type and will hand code

Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

2004-10-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 12 Oct 2004, at 1:27 PM, Focas, Grant wrote: I've solved the Mac scrollbar problem. http://www.homebass.info/fixedPosTest/ Now the only issue left (besides that it uses CSS hacks) is that the back to top link only takes you to the top of the content div minus the height of the header. Grant

Re: [WSG] help with fixed positioning in IE

2004-10-11 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 12 Oct 2004, at 2:55 PM, Focas, Grant wrote: Using a body id will not work because the top of the page is alsways in view. It is the top of the content div which is hidden. Well, in that case I've misunderstood what you're trying to do with the link. In all my Mac browsers (IE5.2, Safari 1.2,

Re: [WSG] Positioning (I think) problem with image

2004-10-12 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 12 Oct 2004, at 5:34 PM, Lyn Patterson wrote: Hi all  I have a 3-col with header and footer layout main page I am re-doing with  CSS. The jpg within the  header, positioned at the far left : In Mozilla/Firefox it is positioned within the header as it should be.  In IE and Opera it ends

Re: [WSG] DL Formatting Issue (IE again!)

2004-10-12 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 12 Oct 2004, at 11:57 PM, Golding, Antony wrote: In Firefox, Opera, etc the layout appears perfectly as required. In IE6 however, below the final image some of the dd definition is repeated. At present, the final dd contains '21/09/2004 at 13:05:02' and beneath that, '5:02' appears. The

Re: [WSG] Div Away The Day

2004-10-12 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Chris Kennon wrote: The four programs across have started a chain of DIVS that seem more cumbersome than table cells. How would one recommend recreating this in semantically correct CSS, without the tangled mess of DIVS I've birthed. Chris, before anything else, you have a fundamental error in

Re: [WSG] CSS TAB MENU - A new version with problems

2004-10-12 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Genau Junior wrote: Can anyone explain me why this browser freezes, when the mouse sets over the css menu tab?   PS:   My css file still no validated and some classes  are repeated, but on final version, that will be fixed.   Rule #1 for problem-solving: eliminate variables. In this case:

Re: [WSG] One remaining problem with header

2004-10-12 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 13 Oct 2004, at 10:32 AM, Lyn Patterson wrote: The line of text p/p in the header is now showing as a link in IE and Opera even though the a/a tag is closed for the link above it. www.mwg.green.net.au/testpages/basic6.html Lyn, I can't reproduce this problem. Browser version/s? Platform? N

Re: [WSG] Div Away The Day

2004-10-12 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 13 Oct 2004, at 11:43 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Can you point me to this section in the w3.org specification. I'm not doubting your expertise, but I'm confused why a class and id cannot have the same name. On Tuesday, October 12, 2004, at 04:01 PM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Chris, before anything

Re: [WSG] CSS Validation query

2004-10-13 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 13 Oct 2004, at 6:13 PM, Jackie Reid wrote: Hi everyone im a bit confused here - trying to validate my css and i get this warning Line : 0 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternative what do they mean... i always do that and get the no errors or warnings

Re: [WSG] Print styles for IE - Document too wide

2004-10-14 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 15 Oct 2004, at 9:31 AM, Mark Stanton wrote: Yeah everything is as low as it can go. Considering each column has a minimum of 1 character+padding+margins I cant see any possibility of all 80 columns fitting on 1 A4 page I don't expect it to, but it would be nice if IE would allow stuff that

Re: [WSG] my site works on Mac, not PC :: suggestions???

2004-10-16 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 16 Oct 2004, at 3:13 PM, Shane Helm wrote: I'm not sure where I've gone wrong, but I must get a PC to check from now on. Must go shopping. Oh no, will I actually own a PC. Dreadful... Just teasing you PC folks. :) I'm with you, Shane - I'd never use anything but a Mac as my main

Re: [WSG] Appreciate browser check, please

2004-10-17 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 18 Oct 2004, at 12:33 AM, Jorge Laranjo wrote: Looks good in Safari 1.2.3 (v 125.9) in the Mac OS X. In Attach i send you a Shoot of that look... Jorge - please, no attachments to this list. 100KB+ for a message is too big. If you would like to help out with screenshots, send them off-list to

Re: [WSG] shrinking p whitespace

2004-09-28 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004, at 20:29 Australia/Sydney, Rick Faaberg wrote: At here: http://www.lucernemedia.com/ I'm trying to shrink the whitespace after the video titles (.video_title is the relevant style I'm pretty sure). See anything obvious that's keeping the whitespace so big after the

Re: [WSG] heading background continues across container width

2004-10-02 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Uh - no... the point is that the markup doesn't change *regardless* of what you do with it the css. Separation of content and presentation - right? That's how come we can use ul's for horiz navbars, vertical buttons, or whatever. Neerav, in any case... What if you leave the Hx as block

Re: [WSG] heading background continues across container width

2004-10-02 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Saturday, Oct 2, 2004, at 19:32 Australia/Sydney, russ - maxdesign wrote: That does not take into account headings of different character length. From what I understand, the underline must be under the content only, no matter how long the content is. Oh, OK - the bg image is being tiled,

Re: [WSG] css syntax question

2004-10-02 Thread Nick Gleitzman
I've never seen such 'nesting' listed anywhere in any CSS how-to info, and I presume that (a) if it were possible, the technique would have been published, and (b) it hasn't been published because it doesn't work. Having said that, I haven't ever tested it, so I don't know for sure... What

Re: [WSG] best tags for FAQs

2004-10-03 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Monday, Oct 4, 2004, at 10:31 Australia/Sydney, Andreas Boehmer wrote: I am in the process of creating a FAQ section in one of my websites and I was wondering what would be the best tags to use for the questions/answers? Perhaps there is no standard, but I was wondering whether a

Re: [WSG] OL or UL? It´s rigth?

2004-10-04 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 05:33 Australia/Sydney, Manuel González Noriega wrote: Genau Junior wrote: Hello, My friend is asking me if i can use tags ul ol/ol /ul No. Make it ul li ol liLong live lists!/li /ol /ul Close, but no cigar. Make that ul liI love nested lists! ol

Re: [WSG] OL or UL? It´s rigth?

2004-10-04 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 10:19 Australia/Sydney, Parker Torrence wrote: Yes you can http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html section 10.2 see DEPRECATED EXAMPLE: ~parker OK, maybe so... but deprecated means it's not a good idea to use it (just because it 'works' doesn't mean you should).

Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links

2004-10-04 Thread Nick Gleitzman
I have to say I'd use an extra class on the first li over that big chunk o' Javascript any day. Apart from the extra code, what if I have Javascript disabled? My 2c... N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 13:55

Re: [WSG] Semantics vs Light Code

2004-10-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 14:50 Australia/Sydney, Luke Moulton wrote: So on one hand there's smaller file sizes, uncomplicated CSS (with fewer hacks) but imperfect semantics, and on the other there's perfect semantics bloated CSS with a few hacks thrown in for good measure. Where does one draw

Re: [WSG] LI VS Tables - A Tabular data fight

2004-10-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 22:31 Australia/Sydney, Genau Junior wrote: I Would like to know about your oppinion for using tabular data with DIV> LI> or to use table> to show them. I´ve been researching on the web about this discussion but i didn´t found an answer really straight. I am

Re: [WSG] IE5 Mac factors

2004-10-05 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Wednesday, Oct 6, 2004, at 03:26 Australia/Sydney, Ted Drake wrote: I visit all of the sites and read all of the blogs about css design. I've seen the use of filters and hacks to make IE5 mac work. But I'm looking for a place to see what IE5 mac does differently. Do you know of a good

Re: [WSG] hidden list background issues, etc.

2004-10-07 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Lorenzo wrote: URL: http://196.36.166.35/tower CSS: http://196.36.166.35/tower/s/tower.css CSS: http://196.36.166.35/tower/s/navDropdown.css 1. In IE6, the border/background of the top list in the #steps layer appears hidden. Is there a way to fix this? 2. There's also a major gap on the left of

Re: [WSG] top of page link class not taking effect

2004-10-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, Oct 8, 2004, at 23:37 Australia/Sydney, Richard Lake wrote: I've added a top of page link as follows: div class=topla href=#headerTop of page/a/div and related CSS, as follows: .topl { float: right; font-size: .75em;} a.topl { color: #660; text-decoration: none;}

Re: [WSG] Help. 2 extra words breaks the page

2004-10-08 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Paul, your CSS doesn't validate. This is failing: div.sidebar {border-left: 1px solid #ccc; width: 200px; float: right; padding-left: 5px; padding-vertical-align:text-top;} Error: Property padding-vertical-align doesn't exist : text-top Remember to validate! The problem with IE5 lies with your

Re: [WSG] Validator error

2004-10-17 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 18 Oct 2004, at 6:05 AM, Mordechai Peller wrote: Let me start by saying that I have enough experience with syntax checker to know that the error message doesn't always point to the right place and that one error can generate many messages. But that being said, I think this one takes the cake.

Re: [SPAM] Re: [WSG] CSS - How the max size of a .css file

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
John Wells wrote: Which begs the question, when a stylesheet is loaded up by a browser, will that browser automatically attempt to load every referenced image, regardless of it being called by the HTML file? This question's come up before - and the answer is... (of course) it varies from

Re: [WSG] site layout problems, specifically in Mac IE

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 22 Oct 2004, at 12:17 AM, Craig Millman wrote: This is my first post, I have been silently gobbling up info. I have designed a website for a friend www.pacifichomeloans.com.au which seems to look ok in IE on Windows, however not in Mac IE. The css is at

Re: [WSG] Combining in css

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 22 Oct 2004, at 9:59 AM, Lyn Patterson wrote: #[name of page] #container #floatimgleft {background-color: #dff;} but it didn't work. Only the last mentioned (#floatimgleft) worked and (#container) reverted to general background color. Is there a way to combine them - have I left out commas

Re: [WSG] select as form label

2004-10-21 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 22 Oct 2004, at 10:15 AM, Nick Lo wrote: p label class=blank for=input_phone_1 select name=input_phone_1_type id=input_phone_1_type option value=Please Select/option option value=work selected=selectedwork/option option value=homehome/option option

Re: [WSG] Semantic indentation

2004-10-24 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Joshua Street wrote: What's the recommended practice with indentation? Uh - is there any reason not to use pre? What you're talking about is really visual presentation, isn't it? I'd respectfully suggest that the indentation is not adding anything to the semantics of the content or the code. A

Re: [WSG] Broken In Safari/IE Mac

2004-10-25 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 26 Oct 2004, at 9:37 AM, Natalie Buxton wrote: Despite what I say on my site, I do not hate mac users, I am merely envious of them. Who doesn't want such a pretty and fast machine? Mmm. Maybe '...asking you rich bastards...' rather than 'telling' might get you a little more sympathetic

Re: [WSG] Broken In Safari/IE Mac

2004-10-26 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 26 Oct 2004, at 9:37 AM, Natalie Buxton wrote: Woe is me. It's busted big time. And for the life of me I cannot work out which CSS rules Safari and IE Mac are refusing to honour. Two things: In IE the navigation bar is sitting wrong. In Safari it's the entire layout is busted big time. Natalie,

Re: [WSG] A little CSS question

2004-10-28 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 29 Oct 2004, at 11:03 AM, Indranil Dasgupta wrote: But my XHTML validation says something weird about the ul tags. Can you say what I need. XHTML Validation is showing 5 errors only. 3 of them can be fixed by adding 'alt' attributes to these files: img

Re: [WSG] A little CSS question

2004-10-29 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 29 Oct 2004, at 6:07 PM, Indranil Dasgupta wrote: Another question, is there a float:middle or center? No. Use {margin:auto} for left right; whatever you need for top bottom. Be aware that auto vertical centering is one of the few things that CSS won't do. Try a Google search on 'CSS

Re: [WSG] Firebird / Mozilla

2004-11-02 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 2 Nov 2004, at 11:38 PM, Sam Hutchinson wrote: Hi all,   Fairly new here and been monitoring list for a day or so, all very useful stuff.   Anyway, i'm having a bit of trouble with hanging images - my right image hangs into the footer on Mozilla - any ideas?

Re: [WSG] Firebird / Mozilla

2004-11-02 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 2 Nov 2004, at 11:38 PM, Sam Hutchinson wrote: Hi all,   Fairly new here and been monitoring list for a day or so, all very useful stuff.   Anyway, i'm having a bit of trouble with hanging images - my right image hangs into the footer on Mozilla - any ideas?

Re: [WSG] Firebird / Mozilla

2004-11-02 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 3 Nov 2004, at 9:34 AM, Kevin Futter wrote: I've noticed this about Firefox too - it appears that the status bar belongs to the parent window, and child tabs open in the same window will inherit any status bar wrangling that is applied to that window. IMHO this is a minor flaw in the way

Re: [WSG] MSIE 5.2 Mac problem

2004-11-06 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 6 Nov 2004, at 11:15 PM, Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: Hello folks, I have created a new personal site about 1.5 weeks ago. My pages are valid XHTML and they display fine in MSIE 5.5-6 on PC, Safari, Opera, Firefox but MSIE 5.2 on MacOS X cuts off the page at the bottom. I have no idea why

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