RE: [WSG] IE7 fixes CSS glitches for IE

2004-03-08 Thread P.H.Lauke
Then again, as Microsoft will be shoving Longhorn down everybody's throat through OEM sales, having it pre-installed on all new PCs, and probably bombard the general populace with a full-spectrum advertising/conversion campaign (not to mention the myriad of applications that, all of a sudden,

RE: [WSG] Style Switcher and IE

2004-03-08 Thread P.H.Lauke
Alternatively...is IE set to such a high security level that it's not accepting cookies at all, or not accepting cookies of sites without a P3P certificate ? Worth checking as well, while you're at it... http://www.google.com/search?q=IE+P3P+cookies Patrick

RE: [WSG] Whats going on

2004-03-09 Thread P.H.Lauke
Stab in the dark time: could it be that for some reason today the content of that site was not valid xhtml, and some browsers started behaving funny because of that and not applying styles the way they should ? Or are you calling multiple stylesheets, and the sheet with all the positioning

RE: [WSG] Lists weird br / requirement

2004-03-09 Thread P.H.Lauke
Frank, your main problem from what I can see is that, as you're floating everything, you need to use a lot of clear, but as you're still removing things from the normal flow, you're getting issues with having the container elements, which have the background colours applied, to show through

RE: [WSG] Lists weird br / requirement

2004-03-10 Thread P.H.Lauke
*visually* you'd have a table...but what about the structure underneath the shiny facade ? Patrick -Original Message- From: James Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 10/03/2004 23:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [WSG]

RE: [WSG] Definition list wish

2004-03-11 Thread P.H.Lauke
PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Definition list wish On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:20:35 -, P.H.Lauke wrote: What's wrong with ul li dl dtAlbatross/dt ddA sea bird/dd ddA tasty snack at the movies/dd

RE: [WSG] Minor gripe

2004-03-12 Thread P.H.Lauke
Care to elaborate as to why ? I usually wrap long-ish URLs in opening and closing brackets, as that guarantees that they'll still be clickable even if the line they're on is wrapped... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] Overcoming Rejections

2004-03-13 Thread P.H.Lauke
rejections or reservations ? If it's the latter, then any of the various Making a business case for accessibility type articles, extolling the benefits of CSS, plus a reminder that the majority of today's browsers can cope with CSS layouts just fine (except, of course, the boss' wife's Netscape

RE: [WSG] Superscript Text

2004-03-15 Thread P.H.Lauke
The purist's answer would of course be to use MathML (and to heck with missing native support in IE) to mark it up properly from a semantic point of view... ;-) Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk

RE: [WSG] Only IE or Actual CSS Rule

2004-03-17 Thread P.H.Lauke
From: russ weakley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] Did I cover myself :) Yup, your behind is safe for now ;) P * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

RE: [WSG] A rave about h1's

2004-03-18 Thread P.H.Lauke
From: Jeremy Flint [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I do believe that he said officially, not really speaking for himself, but for the CSS community that supported that method as a whole. rant Well...I'm part of the CSS community, and I was not consulted on this...so how presumptuous of him to

RE: [WSG] transitional, accessible popups?

2004-03-18 Thread P.H.Lauke
Change onclick=window.open('index.cfm?id=23', to onclick=window.open(this.href, This way, if you change your link's href, you don't have to remember to change it in the javascript as well. Also...while we're on sitepoint, you could just look at Ian Lloyd's perfect pop-up article

RE: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread P.H.Lauke
I'd second that...I'll get my Door to my garden prepped for conversion :) http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=041%2F041%2Ecss Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk -Original Message- From: Andy Budd

RE: [WSG] tab navigation in CSS

2004-03-23 Thread P.H.Lauke
The classics: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ Hope this helps, Patrick -Original Message- From: Barbara Dozetos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] What tha!?

2004-03-29 Thread P.H.Lauke
Your server is erroneously sending the CSS as text/html, which is the wrong MIME type as it should be text/css. Check your server config. p.s.: apologies if this formats wrong...outlook web client is buggy Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster External

[WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
What you describe can only be achieved with javascript, if you want to avoid server calls and do it all in a single document...the page needs to keep track of which link has been pressed, for instance...something that CSS is not meant for... Patrick Patrick H.

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
On Tuesday, March 30, 2004, at 04:41 PM, P.H.Lauke wrote: What you describe can only be achieved with javascript, if you want to avoid server calls and do it all in a single document...the page needs to keep track of which link has been pressed

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-30 Thread P.H.Lauke
And seeing most people use IE, you might as well use javascript. Whether or not people use IE has nothing to do with whether or not they have javascript enabled or not. Available, yes...but not necessarily enabled. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster

RE: [WSG] Show/hide layers without javascript (was: [WSG] How to do some things)

2004-03-31 Thread P.H.Lauke
From: Leo J. O'Campo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] A good point... but if someone elects to turn off javascript they do it at their own disadvantage. *cough* accessibility *cough* Also don't forget that in some instances the specific setup/capabilities of machines is not up to the

RE: [WSG] Calling for some assistance...

2004-04-01 Thread P.H.Lauke
You just need to add extra padding to the relevant bits, if I'm not mistaken... #navigation { clear: both; text-align: left; padding: 15px; padding-bottom: 4px; /* changed */ } #navigation a { text-decoration: none; color: #000; border: 1px solid #000; border-bottom: 0px; padding-bottom: 5px; /*

RE: [WSG] Impressive CSS Example

2004-04-03 Thread P.H.Lauke
I said it to a few colleagues at the time, and I still hold the same opinion now: it's cute, for sure, but here we are, talking about semantic, structurally sound markup, and the division between presentation and content...and then something like this comes along which is perverting markup

RE: [WSG] Valid Flash...

2004-04-13 Thread P.H.Lauke
Could anybody confirm if this new method solves the non-streaming problem of the Flash Satay method ? http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay Cheers, P Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk -Original Message-

RE: [WSG] A discussion leads to an idea - Dynamic CSS!

2004-04-23 Thread P.H.Lauke
Has anyone ever toyed with this idea before and if so what were the results??? I'm amazed how people seem to suddenly get this A-HA! moment. In the last few months I've read various forum discussions, blog entries and articles about wouldn't it be great to create your CSS via PHP/ASP/etc? I

RE: [WSG] style sheet for print

2004-04-23 Thread P.H.Lauke
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/articles/webrev/21.html * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

RE: [WSG] Design Philosophy

2004-05-12 Thread P.H.Lauke
Can I copy your statement, paste it in Illustrator, make it prettty bold, and post it here at work on the bulletin board? Please?! You could, but then you'd just show that you haven't understood the basic premise behind his statement...as you're effectively trying to force a certain visual

RE: [WSG] Design Philosophy

2004-05-12 Thread P.H.Lauke
Yes, but are there any really hard statistics about what the public is doing. We know roughly 7% don't use or diable javascript. But what about disabling styles? rant type=unfocussed rambling Why is that relevant? Heck, it's almost like we're going back to the old how many % of users

RE: [WSG] CSS calendar

2004-05-14 Thread P.H.Lauke
I'd argue that calendars are a prime example of tabular data, so I would strongly advise against attempting any table-less, pure-css solution that can convey the exact same semantic structure that a properly built table with correct THs with row and column scope can give... Anyway, this could

RE: [WSG] When the mix of visual appearance and meaning goes really bad

2004-05-06 Thread P.H.Lauke
-Original Message- From: Andy Budd [snip] Whereas I can see a good reason to use semantic HTML, is there really much point in worrying if your ID's/classes have semantic meaning. Becasue they are user defined, there probably is never going to be a time when that information will

RE: [WSG] print headers/footers

2004-04-26 Thread P.H.Lauke
As far as I'm aware, those are handled by the user agent and outside of the remit of CSS, if you will... Personally, it would strike me as being an interference with the users' expected behaviour if you changed that... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster /

RE: [WSG] print headers/footers

2004-04-26 Thread P.H.Lauke
In this particular case though, I'm assuming the styling that Barbara is after is only an extra feature, some eye candy, and that the printouts still make sense on browsers that don't support print styles...so, as well meant as the warning was, let's not lose sight of the real issues. If I say

RE: [WSG] print headers/footers

2004-04-26 Thread P.H.Lauke
Actually, by default most browsers (nowadays anyway) seem to leave out background images (and colours...and borders...etc) on printouts; this needs to be explicitly *enabled*. P Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk

RE: [Maybe Spam] RE: [WSG] print headers/footers

2004-04-26 Thread P.H.Lauke
However, if it comes to court, the case will - in my mind anyway - have to be made about specific features that are or aren't discriminating, and not (just) general principles. As I said - and I don't think we're disagreeing here, just want to spell it out - you *can* design for the majority,

RE: [WSG] print headers/footers

2004-04-26 Thread P.H.Lauke
From: Barbara Dozetos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip] but because we can't reliably control page breaks, Page-break-after should be supported since IE4.0 (not tested it though) http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/page.html#page-break-props P Patrick H. Lauke

RE: [WSG] IE 6 problem

2004-04-29 Thread P.H.Lauke
Now, can someone tell me why that works? Doesn't this entirely defeat the purpose of end tags? I thought spaces were ignored. Simple answer: IE is a buggy browser. It tries, it's better than previous versions, but it's still plagued with annoying problems like this one. Yes, in theory

RE: [WSG] Tables are dead?

2004-05-17 Thread P.H.Lauke
Off topic really, insofar as it doesn't directly solve your problem...but your post actually made me think the other way around, if you will...how to display a table, containing tabular data, in a more sexy way. A first attempt, still riddled with bugs, can be seen here

RE: [WSG] Tables are bad because...

2004-05-19 Thread P.H.Lauke
From: Chris Blown [...] One of the things that I find hard to believe in this whole debate is that tables are some how seen as a non standards based approach. I see that view a lot from people who just discovered the beauty of CSS, and are going a bit mad in the fight to kill off tables, even

RE: [WSG] height problem

2004-05-19 Thread P.H.Lauke
I'd suggest the best option would be to make it a background image on the body tag. Your body tag is going to be your top level containing block so it will always stretch to the height of your content. Maybe being pedantic, but the top level container would be the HTML element, and backgrounds

RE: [WSG] height problem

2004-05-19 Thread P.H.Lauke
From: Mordechai Peller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I recall reading somewhere that you can style the title element. Interestingly enough, I was playing with that the other night... http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/details.php?id=34 Works best in Firefox / Gecko based browsers at the

RE: [WSG] Good DOM tutorial?

2004-05-24 Thread P.H.Lauke
This got me started fairly quickly with my JS DOM experiments http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/index.php?tut=0part=24 Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk winmail.dat

RE: [WSG] IE. Stopping a table from stretching past the containing div

2004-05-24 Thread P.H.Lauke
Check your table's width, padding and margin. In the worst case, drop the width from 100% to something like 99.5%. I may be wrong, but I think this is another instance of the box model problem IE has... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] Impairment browsers (insert correct pc term here)

2004-05-26 Thread P.H.Lauke
Title: Message Ok, the proper general term for this is "Assistive Technology" (AT for short). Text/braille browsers: Lynx and BrailleSurf Screenreaders and speech browsers: Dolphin Supernova, JAWS, IBM HPR, pwWebSpeak, WindowsEyes. Most of these have demo versions you can download.

RE: [WSG] Impairment browsers (insert correct pc term here)

2004-05-26 Thread P.H.Lauke
It's a real heads-up to listen to a website the way the people using speech software like JAWS hear it. Or, as I always say: it's a real eye opener ;) (and before anybody pipes up about how un-PC this is, a colleague of mine who is visually impaired often uses that phrase as well - for a bit

RE: [WSG] Definition list formatting problem in IE

2004-05-27 Thread P.H.Lauke
Have you tried *not* floating the dd? #apiresults dt { width: 8em; float: left; clear: left; margin: 0; padding: 0; font-weight: normal; } #apiresults dd { margin: 0; padding: 0; } Should be enough. Patrick -Original

RE: [WSG] Fwd: remove p widows/orphans?

2004-05-27 Thread P.H.Lauke
As widows/orphans in paragraphs depend heavily on various factors (screen/window and font size, to name a few), there is no reliable way I'm aware of that could help you here, I'm afraid. Unrelated to this issue, but interesting nonetheless in the context of widows/orphans: