RE: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?

2004-06-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
*Nods approvingly* Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk You say that as though the time savings are an undeniable fact. In my experience using CSS increases the initial template build and testing time but

RE: [WSG] Accessible News Scroller/Ticker and Footer issue in IE

2004-06-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Mordechai Peller What ever you do you'll still have problems with accessibility. Scrolling text will always be a problem with epilepsy, visually impaired, and motor impaired (clicking a moving target). Exactly. It struck me as interesting that the original poster wants to avoid JS

RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

2004-06-03 Thread Patrick Lauke
This begs the question: *why* do the templates need to be xhtml? And, if there is a real, valid reason *for the customer* (as opposed to, say, your personal preference for using the latest w3c spec), why not voice your concern over the choice of back-end system, pointing out to the client that

RE: [WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

2004-06-03 Thread Patrick Lauke
xhtml is the client's request - they don't see the point of undergoing a major redevelopment without being up to date (as an example to their own clients among other things). This was made clear at the start of the project but i gather that the technology decisions had already been

RE: [WSG] Mozilla chocks with Dynamic Content

2004-06-03 Thread Patrick Lauke
Mozilla is acting correctly. By floating the #menu, you've removed it from the normal flow of the document...hence, it does not take up space height-wise, and therefore does not stretch the container. An initial fix is to add clear: both; to your #footer... Patrick

RE: [WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units

2004-06-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bill, funnily enough, this is a problem I've come across recently myself. The only way around it that I can think of is to do the calculation of padding/margin based on your font size by hand. In your example, if you want a 10em margin around your h1, but you've already set your h1 to 1.5em

RE: [WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units

2004-06-05 Thread Patrick Lauke
so it doesn't make any sense to measure it other than relative to the current size actually, it does make a lot of sense, as the original poster wants the whole measurements to be relative, but all based on a unified measure, not the current size of the current element. P winmail.dat

RE: [WSG] Linearizing Tables - Is there a standard?

2004-06-05 Thread Patrick Lauke
Standard western order: left to right, top to bottom. In case of nested tables, the browser recursively does this for the content of cells containing tables as well. You could use a text browser such as Lynx or BrailleSurf to test linearisation. Patrick Patrick

[WSG] OT: time delay for messages to appear on the list

2004-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
Is it just me, or does it take a good quarter of an hour for emails to appear on the list? Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk * The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
One question, though: When this table is linearized will it still make sense? In the case of properly coded (read: with correct table headings, scope, etc) data tables, meaningful linearisation should be taken care of by the user agent. Don't worry about it...this should not, in my view anyway,

RE: [WSG] Non-linking printable text in Navigation Lists

2004-06-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
This is arguably an obsolete rule. I would posit that it does not apply to cases in which links are contained within completely separate block level elements (e.g. unordered lists' items). It is, however, good practice to still use some sort of separator (pipe, or even a non-breaking space

RE: [WSG] getting ride of table layout

2004-06-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
You can get clever and offer abbreviations and such - I believe the attribute is 'abbr'? - but I don't have an URL handy. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/tables.html#h-11.2.6 Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images

2004-06-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Im having trouble understanding how you think IE7 would be broken?! you're obviously missing the point. this refers to the .htc/behaviour based hack stylesheet to get the current IE to behave in a more standards-compliant way http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ (but see, that's what happens when

RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act

2004-06-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
It seems to me that the web developer/designer community spends a huge amount of time whinging about the browser developers and their product's non-compliance, when the answer to the problem lies in their own hands. The onus is shared between content developers, browser developers, users

RE: [WSG] Standard Hacks?

2004-06-09 Thread Patrick Lauke
I do not know what industry you work in but in every industry I have worked in there is a great need for pixel precise layouts. When you go through 13 rounds of changes with a client and discuss things like the letter spacing on single superscript letters then you just might have to put

RE: [WSG] Interesting reading

2004-06-14 Thread Patrick Lauke
How cute. What good are standards when browsers change so fast by adding new features every month? Or, the needs and demands of the users change with the latest killer app? It appears that your friend has been living in a cave since the browser wars... The rest is the usual well, these big sites

RE: [WSG] Interesting reading

2004-06-14 Thread Patrick Lauke
Yeah, but you should s'plain a bit, IMO. If the biggies ignore the standards scenario, what are *we* doing? Ok, let's expand a bit. There are at least two reasons why the biggies are ignoring standards: the speed of change in large organisations (management can often move at the speed of

RE: [WSG] Interesting reading

2004-06-14 Thread Patrick Lauke
Who would be completely happy with the Standards set in 1992? Didn't the late nineties Browser wars come up with non-standard stuff that's now included in the standard. Yes, but: before becoming part of the standard, most of these innovations were extended, expanded, generalised and made

RE: [WSG] Quick accessibility question

2004-06-15 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tested with JAWS 4.02, and yes, it reads it as search. That's not to say, though, that all screenreaders behave this way... Let me guess...underlines for accesskeys ? One thing that worries me about doing those sorts of things is that the result is very...non semantic. Not sure how, say, search

RE: [WSG] ALPHA Testers Needed

2004-06-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
Sounds interesting, but...I can do all that already withsome find/replaces, so I'm not sure if people will be willing to pay for it (even if $5 is such a low price). Or are you planning to have your tool parse the actual CSS, rather than simply looking for occurences of comments, spaces,

RE: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

2004-06-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
There's two schools of thought: 1) navigation first, content second, with a skip to the content link 2) content first, navigation second, with a skip to the navigation link It's often argued that 2) is better for SEO, as it top-loads your documents, putting your relevant content fairly high up

RE: [WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal

2004-06-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
I found it interesting that the IHT article page does not work unless you have javascript enabled... and even when it *is* enabled, their navigation (hitting the third column to move to the next page) is fairly non standard, and is not backed up by any other cues to the user (heck, even a tooltip

RE: [WSG] invalid xhtml

2004-06-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [...] I'm not sure that we differ on this point. after re-reading your message, you're right. As I skimmed over the 100 odd emails in this list's folder that accumulated over the weekend, I could have sworn you had written MUST NOT, instead of SHOULD NOT. Ah, I

RE: [WSG] 508??

2004-06-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Despite some minor flaws, Joe Clark's Building Accessible Websites is still one of the best around. Captioning of quicktime (you mean via SMIL, I assume) is still not widely implemented due to flaky support in certain areas http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2004AprJun/0651.html Of

RE: [WSG] fieldset is REQUIRED

2004-07-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
If I'm not mistaken, a single fieldset around your entire form content will do the trick. So, just change form ... /form to form... fieldset ... /fieldset /form Patrick -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 02/07/2004

RE: [WSG] id or class on html or body

2004-07-09 Thread Patrick Lauke
Keep in mind that you can't have id or class attributes on the HTML element (not in xhtml, nor html4). Apply them to the BODY instead. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk -Original Message- From: Mordechai

RE: [WSG] HELP REQUEST: netscape float:absolute problem

2004-07-09 Thread Patrick Lauke
Haven't really waded through your css, so pardon me if it's an obvious one: have you set the parent to position:relative or absolute to force the float to use it as a point of reference? And your question is confusing, as there is no such beast as float:absolute

RE: [WSG] Internal CSS in XHTML served as application/xhtml+xml

2004-07-09 Thread Patrick Lauke
Derek, have a read through http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2003/xhtml-style-script/ ...but to answer the question quickly: it should work if you use //![CDATA[ //]] Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk

RE: [WSG] Internal CSS in XHTML served as application/xhtml+xml

2004-07-09 Thread Patrick Lauke
This breaks down though, for references like this in the page for bookmarklets (pardon the length): but wouldn't you say that bookmarklets are a bit of a perversion of the standard, in which case it becomes academic to discuss how these can be served in a standards-compliant way? or is it just

RE: [WSG] CSS Opacity

2004-07-13 Thread Patrick Lauke
This may be of interest http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/39758 In short, you could avoid the problem completely by using a 24bit PNG for the background, rather than using opacity. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] Web Accessability IE Toolbar

2004-07-13 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Lee Roberts [...] It's bad enough everyone thinks they need to do it, but for an accessibility group to do it I'm flabbergasted. most current screenreaders / assistive technologie hook into IE in some way to provide web browsing. so it's still a harsh reality that some user groups WILL

RE: [WSG] text field size tag

2004-07-14 Thread Patrick Lauke
It could be that if padding, border and margin values are set (let's say to zero) the widths of the different form controls may be the same - or at least a bit closer ;) I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Form elements are notoriously difficult to consistently style, as they are

RE: [WSG] setting width for lis when inline

2004-07-14 Thread Patrick Lauke
Is the issue that giving an element float makes the browser treat it as a block element? LI is a block level element by default, so you can apply width, regardless of whether or not it's floated. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc

2004-07-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
Gah...not this discussion again... Acronyms are a subset of abbreviations. All acronyms are abbreviations, but not all abbreviations are acronyms. Now, once it comes to defining what an acronym is, there's cultural/regional differences as well: some argue that acronyms need to be pronounceable,

RE: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
Maybe a slight stretch, but how about wrapping these related elements (label, input, etc) up in their own fieldset, and using the legend for that text (thus associating it with the (input and label within). form... fieldset legendThis is the title of your news post (does not accept HTML

RE: [WSG] Web Accessability, SEO, Bookmarking - mod_rewrite

2004-07-26 Thread Patrick Lauke
If you are using base from day one you only need to change the path within one tag. But you still need to do it for every page in your site that uses it... So we are comparing the merit of making find/replaces site wide for all links vs. find/replace site wide for a specific tag. Or am I

RE: [WSG] Smooth fonts with CSS

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/ -Original Message- From: Olajide Olaolorun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 July 2004 09:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Smooth fonts with CSS hmmm I know just what I can do. I could probaly use a little PHP and

RE: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
I'd argue that the best compromise are elastic layouts, where things are positioned and sized in relation to other factors like font size. To say that if we just set our width to 100% or something and rejoice that the site will work in all sizes is misguided; there will always be extremes at both

RE: [WSG] Hacks

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Andy Budd [snip] So I'm interested to hear what you folks think. Do you hack or are you hack free? Pretty much hack free here as well. Only thing I may use occasionally is using import to hide things from generation 4 browsers (and occasionally exploiting the flawed handling of single

RE: [WSG] Fixed vs flexible layouts

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Geoff Deering [snip] If you are designing for handheld you should be considering display:none for the none content columns, header and footer and just be using the link element for prev, next, etc. Some sort of minimalist approach may be more appropriate for that media. actually,

RE: [WSG] Hacks

2004-07-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Just to pipe in on one small detail I noticed (not just in this message, but I'll piggy back onto it here) Normally I would say avoid using hacks by taking time to build the css properly, It's often not just the CSS that needs to be changed to work properly, but it's a case of revisiting

RE: [WSG] DOM setAttribute in IE?

2004-08-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
I'd suggest using Scott Andrews' addEvent helper function (see http://www.scottandrew.com/weblog/articles/cbs-events) function addEvent(obj, evType, fn, useCapture){ if (obj.addEventListener){ obj.addEventListener(evType, fn, useCapture); return true; } else if (obj.attachEvent){

RE: [WSG] Flash in Windows Mozilla 1.6

2004-08-23 Thread Patrick Lauke
Does it use features specific to Flash7, and Browser Cam only has 6? (as I don't use Browser Cam I'm not sure if that last bit actually applies, but thought I'd throw that in as a potential cause) Work for me anyway on Win2k/Moz1.6/Flash7 Patrick Patrick H. Lauke

RE: [WSG] PHP is stopping my page validating as xhtml 1.0 Strict

2004-08-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
As already mentioned, it's due to the url rewriter. You need to get it to write the session id inside a fieldset, and not directly in the form. So: add a fieldset around your form's content and then have a look at http://uk.php.net/manual/en/ref.session.php#ini.url-rewriter.tags. As I don't have

RE: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide

2004-09-03 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Andy Budd Web Essentials 04 looks like is turning out to be one killer event. I wish it was a little closer to home so I could make it. Yup, same thoughts here... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk

RE: [WSG] Horizontal Scroll

2004-09-06 Thread Patrick Lauke
Keeping in mind that overflow-x was originally an IE only proprietary extension, which has since found its way into the CSS3 draft, meaning that most non-IE browsers at this point don't support it. Firefox, for instance, doesn't work with the example you give (although I hear that a recent

RE: [WSG] Does display:none work on img replacements?

2004-09-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
display:none has been discourages early on in the whole image replacement discussion, as it completely hides the element from screen readers. Patrick -Original Message- From: Lorenzo Gabba @ Quirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 September 2004 14:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

2004-09-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
www.editize.com offers solid performance and (despite its limited support for any but the most common xhtml elements) value for money, if you don't mind the fact that it's a java applet. Patrick -Original Message- From: Olajide Olaolorun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 September

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Patrick Lauke
I'd remind you to replace some of the alt tags though (intro1.jpg etc). The client controls those. I'll remind them to make their alt tags accessible. They're attributes...ATTRIBUTES...not tags! Sorry, bit of a rant. Feel better now ;) Patrick

RE: [WSG] Semantics of Breadcrumb you are here links

2004-10-15 Thread Patrick Lauke
Option 3 for me, on the grounds that yes, it's a list, but that the order of the list items is important (as it effectively denotes a step-by-step path from the site's home page to the current page, and these steps need to be taken in that particular order). It's this hierarchy inherent in the

RE: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing

2004-09-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Weird indeed. From home, I see the new table-less design. From work here, it's still the old one... Patrick -Original Message- From: Tony Crockford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 September 2004 09:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Yahoo CSS'ing I'm a bit

RE: [WSG] Why wont this validate

2004-10-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
You need to move input type=hidden name=submitted value=1 inside a block level element (in your case, move it into the fieldset which immediately follows it). Also, as it's an empty element, you need to make it self-closing input type=hidden name=submitted value=1 / Patrick -Original

RE: [WSG] please help validate

2004-10-06 Thread Patrick Lauke
Stefan, crashes such as the one on your site are usually caused by something in the CSS that IE doesn't like. I didn't get a chance to actually look through it, but I'd suggest commenting out your different blocks in the stylesheet, one at a time, and trying to isolate the problem that way.

RE: [WSG] silly shifting problem

2004-10-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
I'll mention http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/49/ but hope that it won't lead to the usual purist's outrage scream (unless Lachlan's about) Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk

RE: [WSG] Firefox Promotion

2004-10-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Trovster I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com Not to sound like a party pooper, but...why not spend energy contributing to the official http://www.spreadfirefox.com, rather than fragmenting the landscape with a separate new site? I'm all

RE: [WSG] Circle menu

2004-10-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Mike Pepper Jad, Check out file:///H:/Inetpub/wwwroot/premiumsofas/bellagio_sofas.htm Can't check your H drive, Mikey boy ;) The correct address is http://www.premiumsofas.co.uk/bellagio_sofas.htm P Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)

2004-10-28 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Nancy Johnson 1. Where can I find a good example of how forms should be laid out for accessibility. Two decent ones: http://www.webaim.org/techniques/forms/ http://www.accessify.com/tutorials/better-accessible-forms.asp 2. Comment on div tags. If we are not suppose to use tables for

RE: [WSG] How-to: Create a list with pictures / detail?

2004-10-28 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Mike Foskett Sorry Patrick, Yes I was stating the image is a data object which comprised of many individual characteristics (data definitions), sorta XML stylie. I was also suggesting that Phone number was not necessarily attached to the address, but definitely attached to the

RE: [WSG] Styling individual links

2004-10-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Indranil Dasgupta give it an a href= id=one and style appropriately. Hopefully it will work. If you did that, you'd need a rule for each link, as they all need a separate ID. If anything, you'd use a class here, if there is even the remote possibility that you may want to apply the

RE: [WSG] Styling individual links

2004-10-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Lyn Patterson I have navigational links in the css with a:hover etc etc for those links that appear in the navigation lists. How do I style individual links amongst text such as pPlease visit oura href=events.html EVENTS/a page for details of .../p so that they match the

RE: [WSG] Styling individual links

2004-10-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Lyn Patterson www.mwg.green.net.au/testpages/plants.html I'd add something like #content p a:hover { color: rgb(204, 68, 68); } to the stylesheet. Should do the trick. If you just want to affect the links in that particular bit, you'll have to do something like create a class (as said

RE: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 problem??

2004-10-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
You seem to have applied the background image to the #overskrift as well, which is why it appears to be repeating vertically... remove the reference to that background image in your css and you should be fine. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of

RE: [WSG] Page not centred in PC IE 6

2004-11-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
IE doesn't support auto margins for centering. Instead, use the following trick: add text-align: centre to body, and (to neutralise the effect on the rest of the page itself), add text-align: left to #container. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of

RE: [WSG] Page not centred in PC IE 6

2004-11-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Rimantas Liubertas IE6 does support this method in standards mode. You learn something new every day... Cheers, Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The

RE: [WSG] Creating Nice Pop-Ups

2004-11-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] Mark Harwood wrote: Hey list, Right im using the good old methord of nice pop-ups as shown by by idol youngpup (http://youngpup.net/2003/popups) now as soon as you use onClick in your HTML WebXACT and Bobby throw up a fit saying that it does not pass

RE: [WSG] Re: It's all in the MIME

2004-11-11 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Alan Milnes It may not be the way to do it but it's the way it's taught at the article you reference: Oldie but goldie on the subject: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html Aeh...where exactly? Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster /

RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/

2004-11-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Scott Villarosa you know, that site is good (even though personally i don't like the look)... but i must say... how practical is the technology used given today's market? just a thought. As it's completely inaccessible when javascript is disabled/unavailable, I'd say the market is

RE: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2004-11-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
Title: Message Hmm...wonderful non-sequitur... Oh...I like bread by the way. Patrick -Original Message-From: Laurie Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 12 November 2004 12:04To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] RE: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have Adobe

RE: [WSG] zoom, or text zoom?

2004-11-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: designer Clearly, the use of ems is just a nightmare, esp when you have several images and have to guess what the em dimensions are, Images should still be specified in pixels, imho, as pixel size is an intrinsic property of raster images. I'd posit (but admittedly it's my personal

RE: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] [...] I know of no limitations in IE6 when doing this, and it saves some coding too. The improved box-model isn't reason enough to debug several versions of IE/win. IE/win can be made to almost behave like a good browser should-- in quirks mode. It's

RE: [WSG] Serving application/xhtml+xml MIME Type to W3C HTML Validator problem

2004-11-18 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Andrey V. Stefanenko Why validator do not accept source with application/xhtml+xml ? The validator does not send out application/xhtml+xml in its accept header, so your script is behaving correctly by sending it text/html. You may wish to do something like adding code that looks for an

RE: [WSG] web essentials 04 - zeldman video keynote online

2004-11-19 Thread Patrick Lauke
Leslie, I'm trying to figure out if you were being serious, or just sarcastic... but interestingly enough, I was actually going to do a quick transcript of it this weekend and nudge Jeffrey to make that available as well. I could also have a stab at SMIL...could be an interesting little

RE: [WSG] Learning to design Accessibility

2004-11-25 Thread Patrick Lauke
http://diveintoaccessibility.org/ gives you a good little overview. Patrick H. Lauke -Original Message- From: Tim Burgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 November 2004 10:11 To: [WSG] Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Learning to design Accessibility Hi, I've done

RE: [WSG] Use of address

2004-11-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Nick Lo I'm curious if and how you are all using the address tag. [snip] However, the specs above don't make it fully clear if what I'm doing is wrong or right. The phrase to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document seems to rule out it's most

RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?

2004-11-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Sam Hutchinson W3C validation - pages validate when I run the URL through the validator, but for some reason my pages and Logo's linking to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer has stopped working in IE (6.02) - anyone else seen this, or know of a decent workaround?!?! I'll

RE: [WSG] Use of address

2004-11-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Nick Lo On experimenting with it it also appears that address is an inline element so fails to validate if you put e.g. a dl inside it. Oops...I only tried it locally, and trusted the firefox Tidy extension to flag this up...but it didn't. Ho hum, you're right...this only strengthens

RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?

2004-11-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Sam Hutchinson this in itself is an example of a browser/OS affecting accessibility. Actually, it's a good example of something else: don't rely on any outside data that's not under your direct control. Having a system that purely relies on referers, and breaks down when they're not

RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?

2004-11-29 Thread Patrick Lauke
At the risk of, once again, going off topic (which this whole thread probably already is)... From: Sam Hutchinson Anyone out there doing this? I'd like to have a look at the code in order to implement it. To use PHP as an example a href=http://validator.w3.org/check?amp;uri=?php echo

RE: Focus highlighting, was Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (30/11/04)

2004-11-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Kornel Lesinski Does that really matter? In Firefox and IE there is a focus border anyway. Which is not always visible, depending on specific background colour and or background pattern/image IE doesn't support :focus or outlines, so there isn't much you can help. Well,

RE: [WSG] definition tag?

2004-11-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: designer When would you (usefully) use dfntextdfn? Indicates that this is the defining instance of the enclosed term. The way I understand it - and I may be wrong - would be something like: dfn title=This is the definitionterm/dfn Semantically, a bit like an inline, single item

RE: [WSG] The importance of spelling for website accessibility

2004-12-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] People who can read a website using their site is normally able to ignore spelling mistakes I'm sure the irony of getting that sentence wrong (People...*are*...) is not lost on the list. I'd surmise that it's off topic, nonetheless. Patrick

RE: [WSG] Why does firefox tooltip only TITLE attribute and not ALT?

2004-12-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Joey I am curious as to why Firefox only understands the title attribute when creating tool tips, why cant we just use ALT? Cause if we want tool tips on our sites to work on all browsers this means we have to enter an ALT TITLE attribute which doubles the code for the same thing?

RE: [WSG] Why does firefox tooltip only TITLE attribute and not ALT?

2004-12-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Johannes Reiss a href=xxximg src=xxx alt=yyy title=yayaya But I always prefer: a href=xxx title=yayayaimg src=xxx alt=yyy Is it wrong how I do it? It depends on what information you're providing with the title. Are you clarifying something about the image, or about the resource you're

RE: [WSG] Why does firefox tooltip only TITLE attribute and not ALT?

2004-12-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Johannes Reiss Because I always give information about the KB of the large image, I think it's right to give the TITLE to the a href-Tag. Exactly, as the information about KB refers to the large version you're linking TO, rather than the thumbnail itself, the title is indeed best off

[WSG] interesting new site about standards (in german)

2004-12-01 Thread Patrick Lauke
Thought this may be of interest (at least to those who can read german) http://www.vorsprungdurchwebstandards.de/ The name made me chuckle, in any case :) Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk

RE: [WSG] Print Style Sheet Inconsistencies

2004-12-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Chris Stratford I dont know if I explained it correctly - or if you understoood what I meant. But the problem I am having is the LIST BULLET are printing in IE, but not FF... Ah ok, I thought you had used trickery with background images. Fair enough, it looks like a wrong-ish

RE: [WSG] Mozilla / Safari Workaround

2004-12-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
Not going to fix all issues (like the two columns being slightly too wide to fit), but just concentrating on the background: - as all your elements are outside of the normal document flow, your container only has normal content up until it hits #main. to redress this, add #footer { clear: both;

RE: [WSG] Is it Standard ?

2004-12-02 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: berry I would like to know if I can insert image into list ? I have used this method by the past but in an article I read that it was not standard? w3 say nothing about that ? The best way to find out if it's standard as per W3C is to run it through the validator

RE: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-03 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Paul Farrell Am I correct in understanding that an ordered list is the best way of marking up a breadcrumb system that shows where a user has been ? For my own part, I'd say yes (as the steps are in order, and the order is important)...but other people may have other ideas of what is

RE: [WSG] Semantic Breadcrumbs

2004-12-06 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Natalie Buxton This discussion has finally convinced me that breadcrumb trails should not be marked up as lists. Without the entire path, it doesn't matter where the actual href goes. For instance: I tell a user that the file they want is in the folder widgets. They go looking

RE: [WSG] A quick breakdown of some code today

2004-12-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: russ - maxdesign I remember when I first started getting into CSS, code like this would make me freak out: [...] So, for those that are reasonably new to CSS, I'd thought I'd break it down into bite size pieces. And for those rare occasions where Russ isn't handily available to

[WSG] FW: Text email newsletter standard

2004-12-08 Thread Patrick Lauke
Sorry to cross-post my reply, but: From: Lauke Patrick Sent: 08 December 2004 11:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Text email newsletter standard From: Mike Brown has anyone come across, or used, the following text email newsletter standard: http://www.headstar.com/ten/ Yes, stumbled

RE: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Kornel Lesinski So make it stop working. I think that employee saying Boss! This doesn't work! is the best way to educate employers... Sorry, but that's rubbish. For accessibility (and, heck, good manners even) the information on your site should be navigable and usable by

RE: [WSG] Video Files

2004-12-14 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Charlie Barr A client on an old website we designed is asking us about putting up Quick Time videos on their website. [...] what would be the best way to have them available. Why not just link to the .mov file? It will then open in whatever way the users want, or at least give them

Re: [WSG] HOW DO I KNOW THAT MY HTML FILE HEADER IS BEING SENT CORRECTLY?

2004-12-21 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Gary Menzel PERL questions should be directed to a PERL list as PERL is a scripting language and NOT a web standard. The question was about HTTP and MIME, which - in my mind - do fall under web standards... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster /

RE: [WSG] W3C what are they doing ?

2004-12-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: berry Most of us have developped application using DOM which maybe will not be valid with the new standard especially with XHTML 2.0 and DOM3. So? Nobody will be forcing you to switch your site to XHTML 2.0 or any other technology. The whole point of having DOCTYPEs is to identify

[WSG] molly gets a redux makeover

2004-12-23 Thread Patrick Lauke
If i may be so bold as to blow my own trumpet for a minute: http://www.splintered.co.uk/news/29/ - the lovely molly holzschlag gets a makeover courtesy of redux, stylist to the stars. http://www.molly.com/2004/12/22/the-medusa-look/ the new look was actually created quite a long time ago (see

RE: [WSG] molly gets a redux makeover

2004-12-23 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Andy Budd Lol, you make yourself sound like some kind of new media hair dresser. Well, I *did* give her the Medusa hair look ;) I'll need to add wash, rinse and perm under my list of services... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford

RE: [WSG] London Web Standards Conference

2005-01-11 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Patrick Griffiths [...] @media 2005: Web Standards Accessibility is coming... Excellent. I'm trying to see if I can make it down to London for this one. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk

RE: [WSG] Can I use a table in a form?

2005-01-12 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Andy Budd [...] What I'm saying is that tables are meant to display tabular data however a form is an input mechanism, not data itself. Thus in my opinion it would be incorrect to use a table to layout a form. Yup, that's how I've usually looked at it as well. allowing people to

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