RE: [WSG] Strange Netscape list button behaviour

2003-12-14 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: Strange Netscape list button behaviour hiya, yeah, i'm seeing the prob in IE6 PC aswell... its a 1 pixel white border being added to some a's within LI's and not others. ie: where youve got the below (in red) in your stylesheet, some have border-right set to 1px, some have it set

[WSG] ordered list for events

2004-01-13 Thread Peter Ottery
Hi all, I've got a simple list of events with dates and am trying to keep it as a simple ordered list. http://www.c41.com.au/test.htmlshows my example with everything else stripped out. (the css is inline just for ease of creating the example.) I thought I had it sorted until I

RE: [WSG] ordered list for events

2004-01-13 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] ordered list for events thanks everyone! in response to a few of those questions: Gary wrote: I realise you have said you want to keep it as a simple ordered list - but I am not sure of the reason why. glory ;-) nah, I guess I'm just getting a real kick out of not

RE: [WSG] big trouble...still!

2004-01-14 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] big trouble...still! Can someone please check again for me? yep, its good to go, it did crash my IE6 on Win2k before, but all is fine now. pete

[WSG] a horizontal ol drops the numbers..?

2004-01-19 Thread Peter Ottery
gurus, can anyone tell me why this code... - style type=text/cssli {display: inline}/style ollisome text/lilia little more text/lilianother bit/lilieven a bit more/li/ol - ...drops the numbers from the start of each list item as soon as you make the list run horizontally? I

RE: [WSG] What Causes Selection Problems In IE.

2004-01-29 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] What Causes Selection Problems In IE. Russ wrote: Here is a test page to show you. Check it with Win/IE6: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/jobs/css/try-and-highlight-me.htm mmm, interesting, without wanting to sound like an IE fan ;-), I can select that text no problem using

RE: [WSG] Second try with [a name]

2004-02-04 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Second try with [a name] Taco wrote: my suggestion was to put nbsp; between the tag, and then set its style to not display so it does not take up any space, something like a name=c44 class=anchor/a If you set display:none on the links opera and mozilla wont

RE: Opening pages in new windows... was Re: [WSG] XHTML (OT??)

2004-02-08 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: Opening pages in new windows... was Re: [WSG] XHTML (OT??) p.s. I don't work for f2.com.au i do :) although before i look at the code behind that example (*preparing to grimace*) I'll let you know we have got a fair way to go with standards in general. we are on it though.

RE: [WSG] CSS Rules - Naming Conventions

2004-02-15 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] CSS Rules - Naming Conventions yeah I'm known to use id=wrap id=masthead id=nav id=sidebar id=footer etc etc all the time trying to keep the names non-specific to the layout (like id=lefthandnav) cause when/if it changes later to a horizontal nav across the top i'd feel a

RE: [WSG] Opera

2004-02-18 Thread Peter Ottery
I'm curious - does anyone really think that getting things spot on for Opera is important? I'm not sure (someone else on the list may be) but I think Opera is *very* close to adhering to all the CSS2 specs - meaning if you get your page looking sweet in Opera (and mozilla/firebird)

[WSG] double quoting

2004-02-24 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: double quoting Hi guys, theres a CMS (content management system) I'm dealing with that is converting some double quotes to single quotes, so this... div id=content ...becomes... div id='content' ...when published. this is on a XHTML transitional page. Now, I'm a bit

RE: [WSG] double quoting

2004-02-24 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] double quoting James wrote: So, as far as I can tell, single quotes on your attribute values are perfectly acceptable (for xhtml1). Havent done any real testing in browsers, but I'd say it is a non-issue. nice! hey thanks for digging that up :) very

RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology Hi Tim, thanks for yr kind words :) I was going to send a note around to the list when we fixed a few things up with it but just havent had time... ok, so few points: * yep, the new tech section is our first live site

RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology

2004-02-25 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] A new standards based smh.com.au/technology I'd certainly like to use them if you have no objections. of course not, its an important message. gotta get it out there :) we're going to try to put together a whats new about the design page on the site with some more

[WSG] classguide

2004-02-26 Thread Peter Ottery
hiya, I noticed that the much publicized new qantas airline - http://www.jetstar.com/- launchedtheirsite with a css layout. I havent had a real look at the code, but my question is more about class and id names. when you have a pretty complicated site and you end up using some sort of

RE: [WSG] Purpose of this mailing list

2004-03-09 Thread Peter Ottery
'how-to' emails (that are always going to come up no matter what you do) to a minimum thread length. pete Peter Ottery Lead Web Designer f2 network - www.f2.com.au 02 8596 4450

RE: [WSG] New CSS site

2004-03-11 Thread Peter Ottery
http://www.cinema4duser.com Comments and crits most welcome. first impression: looks lush! very slick. easy to scan/understand whats going on.. some real quik thoughts that may relate to the css but also some general stuff (take with a grain of salt and all that ;-) with yr

RE: [WSG] Open source Relevant CSS tab?

2004-03-15 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Open source Relevant CSS tab? El lun, 15-03-2004 a las 04:04, Tim escribió: Sounds to me like the 'Show computed styles' bookmarklet http://www.web-graphics.com/mtarchive/000846.php i tried that but the link to the actual favelet seems to be broken. i eventually tracked

[WSG] dreamweaver

2004-03-16 Thread Peter Ottery
anyone using dreamweaver? as far as 100% valid transitional and strict xhtml sites go, can dreamweaver have its preferences etc manipulated enough to be to produce markup and css exactly the way you want? I've always used homesite religiously to handcode sites but may need to look to

RE: [WSG] Relative Fonts

2004-04-06 Thread Peter Ottery
controls in IE have a compounding effect - often making smallest unreadable and largest absolutely massive. if you use %'s to define font sizes the extreme variations are reduced and you may find you dont get as many compaints. pete Peter Ottery Head of Design f2 Network (02

[WSG] theage.com.au: new design

2004-04-19 Thread Peter Ottery
hiya, we relaunched theage.com.au todaywithimproved markup and a css layout. http://theage.com.au/ a couple of points of interest: a big part of the redesign was improvingthe markup- ie: obviously using h tags and ul tags etc. still have a ways to go and it'll be a learning

RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design

2004-04-19 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design hi, Justin wrote: Firefox loses it's navigation bar (left) when resized down from 1024 to 800 wide and place a 1px border or padding on the left edge of the layout, which will force your layout to disappear off the right edge of the

RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design

2004-04-20 Thread Peter Ottery
;-) cheers for yr feedback, pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Lucas Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design Peter Ottery spoke the following wise words on 20/04/2004

RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design

2004-04-20 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design James wrote: It's great to see such a large site being discussed openly on the list. agreed. feels a bit weird - but hey, we're one big happy family right? ;-) Other than what has been discussed, the only I thing I can see is the markup: p

RE: [WSG] SMH launch

2004-05-02 Thread Peter Ottery
[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.f2.com.au On 29/04/2004, at 1:27 PM, Peter Ottery wrote: when we launched theage.com.au last week Justin pointed outa way (adding 1px padding to the left of the main "#wrap" div) to make Firefox keep the background image aligned hard left with the co

RE: [WSG] SMH launch

2004-04-28 Thread Peter Ottery
hi y'all, yep, http://www.smh.com.au/went live this morn. For anyone who has ever read both http://theage.com.au/(launch mentioned last week) and smh will know they have used the same basic page templates for a few years. The css redesign of both sites has obviously continued that common

RE: [WSG] SMH launch

2004-04-28 Thread Peter Ottery
when we launched theage.com.au last week Justin pointed outa way (adding 1px padding to the left of the main "#wrap" div) to make Firefox keep the background image aligned hard left with the content when your browser window was narrower than the content - and stopped the background image

RE: [WSG] CSS solid lines and Opera

2004-05-24 Thread Peter Ottery
How do I show solid lines in a table with CSS to properly display with an Opera web browser? that example code you've supplied makes a border on all 4 sides of a TD in my copy of Opera (v7.22 on PC) Could it be that other classes on your project are causing the prob? Like a negative

[WSG] about that new way to clear floats

2004-05-24 Thread Peter Ottery
so you know how there's that new way to clear floats... http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html just wondering how everyone is gauging that method? I mean,the "hack" used up until now of adding a div style="clear:both"/div (or similar) to properly clear floats when needed is

[WSG] position:absolute problem

2004-05-31 Thread Peter Ottery
hiya, this is hopefully a simple little problem - but my brain is refusing to work today :) on this test page... http://c41.com.au/test/position_test.html(yep, validated) ...is the example of the problem (i've stripped out all the extra html/css to make it easier for you to peruse) I

RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Peter Ottery
(articles etc) have a linked css file as normal. pete Peter Ottery Head of Design f2 Network (02) 8596 4450 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.f2.com.au

RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au amp; theage.com.au with css

2004-06-21 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Redesigning smh.com.au & theage.com.au with css Hiya, sorry, dont mean to add to the list traffic too much but just wanted to point out that your Mozilla extension added in some of its own styles etc when used to copy and paste those styles Amit. (changed colour values to

RE: [WSG] Div CSS VAlign

2004-07-15 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Div CSS VAlign Can someone help with how I align a DIV Layout made with the x and y scale vertically and horizontally a google search for vertical and horizontal css centered div gives the following urls that may help you out - tho I'm not sure I've nailed your

RE: [WSG] 4-column layout

2004-07-29 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: 4-column layout is there any examples that allow for a mixture of fluid and fixed divs? can you have any of the columns position:absolute or do they all have to be floated? (maybe you have a requirement for a footer to run right across the bottom of the 4 cols etc?). just

[WSG] RE: Image replacement techniques for linked elements

2004-08-08 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: Re: [WSG] sitecheck on Mac (Safari, IE5) and Win (IE 5/5.5) please? Scott wrote: Has anyone had any luck with an image replacement techniques that leaves the link available? Hi Scott, We use a variant of image replacement for the section headings on the homepage of www.smh.com.au

RE: [WSG] RE: Image replacement techniques for linked elements

2004-08-15 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] RE: Image replacement techniques for linked elements James wrote: I have my minimum font-size set to 12px, so websites can't set text I can't read (or see for that matter) - like 6px :D. I think this is rendering your (ed: smh.com.au) plain text headers to be 12px -

[WSG] list item markers disappear behind floated image

2004-08-17 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: list item markers disappear behind floated image Hi, I have a problem with images that are floated left and then when a list wraps around that image the list bullet points themselves dont get pushed out by the floated image and instead remain behind (or on top of) the image. to help

RE: [WSG] list item markers disappear behind floated image

2004-08-17 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] list item markers disappear behind floated image Russ wrote: This may sound insane but the problem is fixable by floating the ul element.ul { float: left; } that does sound weird but on reflection of the finer points of the behaviours of floats, does make sense. fix a

[WSG] [OT] Employment opportunity in Sydney - Reply off list

2004-08-24 Thread Peter Ottery
Below is a job opportunity at the company I work for.Please reply directly to me off list if you are interested.Permission was granted for this off-topic post by the list organisers. Apologies for the outlook formatted html email. oh the irony ;-) cheers,

RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers

2004-08-25 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Best Aussie and Kiwi web standards designers Andy asked However I'm always on the lookout for more cool, standards compliant sites, so wondered who you guys felt which companies and individuals were turning out the best work down under? 2 that i'm pretty sure are on this

RE: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts

2004-10-05 Thread Peter Ottery
Is there a best-practice way to build an item display with multiple columns, but without using tables? Name Price Quantity Edit Delete Apple $5.00 25 [edit] [delete] Pear $4.00 3 [edit] [delete] Banana $12.00 5 [edit] [delete]1 vote for "thats table data - use a table"and your

RE: [WSG] Is XHTML harmful?

2004-10-06 Thread Peter Ottery
Kim wrote: Now I would like to know what your arguments would be for using xhtml.Hi everyone,have heard and understand all the good responses on this question. As usual the decision can vary depending on your needs.I'd like to offer one reason why it has been a good decision for us here at

RE: [WSG] Is XHTML harmful?

2004-10-06 Thread Peter Ottery
Title: RE: [WSG] Is XHTML harmful? Lachlan wrote: On use of validation: valid code is not difficult. Pete, I'm assuming from your comments that you aim for valid code by changing institutional practices rather than programmatically? Agreed on both. The reality in big

[WSG] navigation using arrows for location

2005-03-01 Thread Peter Ottery
so I've designed myself a nice looking navigation scheme that displays visually whereabouts you are within a site. Now I just need to work out how to sort out the css :) Here's what I want it to look like: http://c41.com.au/test/sample_nav.gif I'm *not* after any dynamic or popout

RE: [WSG] navigation using arrows for location

2005-03-03 Thread Peter Ottery
hi there, Pete originally said:so I've designed myself a nice looking navigation scheme that displays visually whereabouts you are within a site.Now I just need to work out how to sort out the css :)http://c41.com.au/test/sample_nav.gif then Rob said:That's pretty. Pretty

Re: [WSG] Disjointed Rollovers in css

2005-04-19 Thread Peter Ottery
tech reasons... [1] http://www.adaptivepath.com/ anyway, hth, cheers, pete ~~ Peter Ottery ~ Designer Daemon Pty Ltd www.daemon.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

[WSG] a required field marker in forms

2005-04-22 Thread Peter Ottery
. cheers, pete ~~ Peter Ottery ~ Senior Designer Daemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn Gardens Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011 www.daemon.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org

Re: [WSG] a required field marker in forms

2005-04-22 Thread Peter Ottery
Dmitry wrote: Hi Peter, I am not shure about asteri, but I think it is not very usable that if I click on the text near checkbox, checkbox doesn't change its state. for sure. that behaviour (thanks to using labels) works for me in PC IE5+ and Firefox (which is a pretty large slice of users) in

[WSG] new mycareer.com.au design

2005-04-26 Thread Peter Ottery
very proud to say the new mycareer site launched today: http://mycareer.com.au/ its the next major site from the Fairfax Digital network to take on css layout as part of a redesign. the site gets hundreds of thousands of visitors a month and is one of australias largest job ad websites. check it

Re: [WSG] new mycareer.com.au design

2005-04-27 Thread Peter Ottery
hi, thanks for your kind words and feedback peoples. have tried to quickly answer those main questions below: re Just curious to know what the many lines of CDATA code achieve and the reason for putting them inline? no idea personally :) , but the dev guy says it's definitely something we want

Re: [WSG] Padding tables in IE

2005-05-02 Thread Peter Ottery
Andreas wrote: I am having difficulties getting IE to give a table a padding-left. I dont think adding padding to the table itself is going to be reliable - as youve found out :) I'd say that what you want to do is add padding to the cell/s of the table. If you want to add padding to one column

Re: [WSG] Padding tables in IE

2005-05-02 Thread Peter Ottery
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Gee, that's a new one to me! Is col a HTML 4 tag? I've never come acrossit. absolutely, a quick googling turns this article up - looks like quite a good rundown... http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/tables/tablesaccessibility.html or theres always the w3c spec if youre up for

Re: [WSG] Mystery connection of css and non-liquid design

2005-05-02 Thread Peter Ottery
On 5/2/05, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Something I find really strange is that a lot of people who put emphasis on Web Standards suddenly found their way back to non-liquid, 800px, centered design. I am wondering why that is? i really admire a

Re: [WSG] Re: [WSG Announce] Web Essentials 05 Launched

2005-05-03 Thread Peter Ottery
Maybe a specific topic addressing the commercial benefits of Web Standards at WE05 could have been included. I believe there is. 1.30pm, day 1... Brett Jackson, John Horner, David McDonald Panel: Moving your organisation to standards Theme: Strategy Audience: Managers

Re: [WSG] Cleaner two column float left?

2005-05-04 Thread Peter Ottery
Tee wrote: Is it possible to make it this way and make IE happy at the same time? div class=twoCol labelitem 1/label labelitem 2/label labelitem 3/label labelitem 4/label labelitem 5/label. /div So that I don't need to put a spacer class in between every two items. there may be

[WSG] label tag wrapping around checkbox

2005-05-22 Thread Peter Ottery
sports fans, if you had part of a form that had a checkbox that when checked enabled a file upload input, how would you mark that up? the result should look something like this: http://skunkworks.farcrycms.com/wsg/label/label.gif but i wasnt sure what the label tag/s would/should wrap around...

Re: [WSG] a elements and what they can contain

2005-05-26 Thread Peter Ottery
re: a elements may only contain other inline elements hang on, so if i have an anchor tag wrapped around an image (display:inline by default), its deemed fine by the validator, but if I make that image display:block via the css, (for design purposes, which must be a pretty common practice on

Re: [WSG] a elements and what they can contain

2005-05-26 Thread Peter Ottery
Damien wrote: As to your question about a tags for block level elements, can you give an example when you would use this? not a good one, no :) i had a fleeting thought like what if, for some ungodly reason, you wanted to link an entire sidebar div to another page - but it was fleeting. just

Re: [WSG] Accessible form test

2005-06-09 Thread Peter Ottery
Hi Erwin, there'd be other people on the list that could comment on the use of access keys etc i'm sure. At a stretch I'd kinda consider some aspects of the visual presentation part of the broad spectrum that is accessibility though - or at least usability. i like thisarticle that looks at the

Re: [WSG] Background image in li not showing in IE

2005-06-19 Thread Peter Ottery
Cole wrote: I've got a small background icon that I've hooked to a few li's. Displays as planned in FF, but doesn't display at all in IE6. Any ideas how I can fix this in IE?not sure if youve solved this by now but often i find if you specify a background colour (instead of transparent), IE will

Re: [WSG] Page structure - navigation

2005-06-23 Thread Peter Ottery
Hi Ian, I dont think its a massive issue to do that (put the navigation at the end of the source and position it at the top of the page visually). Theres probably some people that would say this is potentially better for screenreaders, in that they aren't confronted with a massive navigation

[WSG] Accordion style script behaviour

2005-06-23 Thread Peter Ottery
i really like this accordion show/hide script... http://openrico.org/demos.page?demo=ricoAccordion.html .. and am thinking it might be useful for a really long list of FAQ's on a page. this particular example relies on the quite sizeable 'rico' _javascript_/s (which contain a whole bunch of other

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Peter Ottery
re: php sniffer script Splash Page that degrades (though ... can't degrade too much) Sam, i gotta agree with what Michael said earlier: Did we just hit some kind of crazy-ass time warping worm-hole thatlanded us in 1995?I beg of you, wherever you are, go out and pick up a copy of this book:

Re: [WSG] web standards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Peter Ottery
quoting stuff from an old job. While we're talking about big picture issues I dont think I'll get into trouble. hopefully ;-) cheers, pete ~~~Peter Ottery ~ Creative DirectorDaemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn GardensElizabeth Bay NSW 2011 www.daemon.com.au/

[WSG] text alignment on form submit buttons

2005-07-18 Thread Peter Ottery
hi, I'd like to left align the text in a form submit button. The following seems to work in IE (5.5+), but not in Firefox: form action=whatever input type=submit value=Submit style=width:20em;text-align:left / /form (simplified and made inline for the sake of an

Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-07-20 Thread Peter Ottery
Hope that made sense, nup. youre definately going to have to show us an example. if you havent got a liveexample to show, make a really simple example by stripping out everything else and just include some html css within your post. help us to help you! :) On 7/21/05, Josh Rose [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Standards based visual design guidelines

2005-09-14 Thread Peter Ottery
, ~~~ Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director Daemon Pty Ltd www.daemon.com.au (yeah yeah, redesign coming :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting

Re: [WSG] WE05 - who's going?

2005-09-26 Thread Peter Ottery
Andrew wrote: Or how about everyone interested just bites the bullet and posts their photo contact details like I just did? i'll be there. here's me: http://c41.com.au/ the secret password is youve been on this list *how* long and your site still uses tables? oh. the. horror. :)

Re: [WSG] Big Websites that turned Accessible

2005-10-04 Thread Peter Ottery
On 10/5/05, Zach Inglis wrote For an article i'm writing I need a list who have turned their website into Web Standard compliant websites. there are many lists scattered around already compiled - like this one: http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/redesignwatch/ hth, cheers, pete

Re: [WSG] Placement of company logo

2005-10-09 Thread Peter Ottery
What do others think? 1 vote here for always making the logo a regular img and part of the html markup. reasoning for me is a pretty simple one. its content! :) cheers, pete ~~~ Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director Daemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn Gardens Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011

[WSG] clean forms with javascript injected for a site demo

2005-10-13 Thread Peter Ottery
, pete ~~~ Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director Daemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn Gardens Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011 www.daemon.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Peter Ottery
usually a better story with IE5.5. [1] give an example of ok to your client early on and explain why spending 99% of your time on 1% (percentages always make your argument sound good ;-) of their audience is not spending their money in the right place. cheers, pete ~~~ Peter

Re: [WSG] css for ie4/ie5

2005-10-13 Thread Peter Ottery
Peter Firminger wrote: Not at all recommended on any machine you care about. Just for my own peace of mind tho - they're only a security issue when you have launched the program right? so if i'm launching them (old standalone IE5 5.5) once a month to *only* test pages that I've created - I'm

Re: [WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

2005-10-16 Thread Peter Ottery
On 10/15/05, Stefan wrote: How can I make the Table fill the full width of the column in FireFox and IE 6? same thing happened to me with that type of layout. I added the following rules to the tables and it sorted it for me: table {width:100%;float:left} cheers, pete

Re: [WSG] Complex form - markup help?!

2005-10-20 Thread Peter Ottery
Hi Rachel, before you dive into the markup ( i'm not sure if this is much help to you) but if you can simplify the proposed visual design you may be able to save yourself some pain in the css layout (cause agreed, it would be fairly complex) it took me a while to understand the form and what

Re: [WSG] Complex form - markup help?!

2005-10-20 Thread Peter Ottery
adam wrote: So, the idea of context is quite important here, which is where, i believe, a table would come in handy. ditto. i'd feel comfortable using a table if i were you Rachel :) if you were going to use css you'd probably need to repeat the Discipline split % within each fieldset - and

Re: [WSG] hidden link to webstandards page 4 older browsers - how does it work

2005-10-26 Thread Peter Ottery
It was a good idea at the time - but probably not a hot idea any more. Read The Web Standards Project's line on it now: http://www.webstandards.org/act/campaign/buc/ --- I like this idea and wanted to implement somthing similar, but was wondering what was going on

[WSG] injecting an extra hook with javascript

2005-11-01 Thread Peter Ottery
just say i have markup like this: -- div id =utility ul lia href="" Item/a/li lia href="" Item/a/li lia href="" Item/a/li /ul /div - and for one reason or another I *dont* have access to the html markup. Then an intricate design

Re: [WSG] Font resizing

2005-11-09 Thread Peter Ottery
~~~ Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director Daemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn Gardens Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011 Web: www.daemon.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] Sitecheck: 7 Sunrise Family website [sunrisefamily.com.au]

2006-01-31 Thread Peter Ottery
only as an excuse to say awesome work :) ~~~ Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director Daemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn Gardens Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011 Web: www.daemon.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http

[WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-01 Thread Peter Ottery
/ sensible / 2006. if not, maybe there's a need for something...? ~~~ Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director Daemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn Gardens Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011 http://www.daemon.com.au/ COMING SOON webDU - the web technology conference http://webdu.com.au/ Sydney, March 2/3

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-01 Thread Peter Ottery
Joshua wrote http://webpatterns.org/ *checks it out* ok, so the term patterns is potentially a too far advanced term for what i'm thinking of. all that microformat and machine readable data stuff is certainly interesting (Allsopp - i can hear you screaming about it from here ;-) but... I

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-01 Thread Peter Ottery
Joshua also wrote: That web patterns thing people were bouncing around in here a month or so back? I've lost the address... if someone else doesn't post it, it's in the archives somewhere... oops. yeah ok: http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg24333.html it was a good

Re: [WSG] Call for a new (scalable) business case for web standards.

2006-02-05 Thread Peter Ottery
the word to developers and designers. thats where the action is :) pete ~~~ Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director Daemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn Gardens Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011 http://www.daemon.com.au/ COMING SOON webDU - the web technology conference http://webdu.com.au/ Sydney, March 2/3

[WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Peter Ottery
hiya, i dont like flyout menus as much as the next guy/girl but i have a situation that requires them, so i'm using the son of suckerfish menu [1]. i'm having a problem with adding position:relative to items below the menu, and those elements appearing on top of the flyout menus in IE. i've

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Peter Ottery
Samuel wrote: have you tried setting the z-index on them? yeah, tried all sorts of z-index combinations (that i could think of) but still cant get it working. theres a short note at the bottom of that example page i put together... ** The

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Peter Ottery
success! housecleaningSam wrote:-- Are negatives supported in the z-index? yes, more about z-index at pages like: http://www.echoecho.com/csslayers.htmRic wrote: -- Personally I don't like the suckerfish menus much.--I found these much more to my

Re: [WSG] flash z-index conflict

2006-02-18 Thread Peter Ottery
Ted wrote: -- my lovely flash movie thinks it's the coolest thing on the planet and wants to sit on top of my lovely dropdown box. in the html code that calls your flash movie, add this: param name=WMode value=transparent let us know how you go pete ottery

[WSG] Mollio

2006-03-05 Thread Peter Ottery
on the WSG list - if not, drop by the Mollio Google Group and provide some feedback/suggestions/contributions there. cheers, pete ~~~ Peter Ottery ~ Creative Director Daemon Pty Ltd 17 Roslyn Gardens Elizabeth Bay NSW 2011 www.daemon.com.au

Re: [WSG] tableless layout stuff

2006-03-06 Thread Peter Ottery
Jack wrote: But does anyone have any idea how to put that alongside the title and image etc without using a table? or should i just use a table? Hi Jack, There shouldnt be any need for a table here. just mark your list up as a list and float your image to one side. something like this:

Re: [WSG] maximum backward compartible to mobile phone (WAP) users? Which XHTML DTD?

2006-03-16 Thread Peter Ottery
re - My question is what is the best practice? What kind of DTD to choose? XHTML Basic? XHTML MP? i can offer a good link! :) http://www.cameronmoll.com/archives/000398.html not sure if it answers all your question. its a 3 part series. the guy (cameron moll) is one of those rockstar designers

Re: [WSG] .net question

2006-03-17 Thread Peter Ottery
Peter Goddard wrote:-- I would even suggest that you-- consider picking up the basics of aspx page development, not the code,-- but the web controls that are available in .net and see if you can -- suggest how you can work more closely ...a great informative post Peter.Another vote here for the

Re: [WSG] IE hacking.

2006-03-20 Thread Peter Ottery
re Perhaps this could be forwarded to Microsoft as I am a customer and have asked them to build a standards compliant browser and yet they have chosen to ignore me. I for one think Microsoft deserve massive kudos. They *are* doing all they can to make IE7 a decent standards compliant browser.

Re: [WSG] Map of Australia Image Map

2007-05-24 Thread Peter Ottery
re - Has anybody seen or created way of displaying States on hover using CSS only? Hi Felisimina, have a look at the front of http://www.domain.com.au/ i worked on a previous version a while ago (so dont shoot me for any other code on the site ;-) it uses a sprite image for the hover - check

Re: [WSG] Map of Australia Image Map

2007-05-24 Thread Peter Ottery
Paul wrote: Of course the problem was made easier by the fact that most of the borders between Australian states are on the horizontal or vertical, but you handled the major exception between NSW and VIC excellently by expressing ACT as a strategically-placed and -sized rectangle. Good work!

Re: [WSG] ABC News Online have a new website

2007-06-18 Thread Peter Ottery
Brad wrote: Really enjoying the new ABC News website here in Australia. http://abc.net.au/news/ ditto - love it. an amazing achievement to get that up and out. i particularly like the nice little attention to detail like the css hovers/icons on the links and the inline video. the video

Re: [WSG] Best way to clear a float

2007-11-12 Thread Peter Ottery
re - using the 'clearfix' fix... as a way of clearing floats by not adding any additional markup i've always thought that argument was a bit of a stretch. You are adding extra markup - and its hardcoded presentational markup. What happens when you have class=clearfix all through your code and

Re: [WSG] Structuring CSS

2008-06-09 Thread Peter Ottery
re - How are you guys structuring your CSS files? for me, multiple css files for different parts of the page is harder to manage. I'm pretty old school keep everything within the 1 css file (within reason). this also means 1 http request which is good. exceptions are if you had a massive admin

Re: [WSG] Structuring CSS

2008-06-09 Thread Peter Ottery
Anton wrote... - In regards to I'm guessing this sort of structuring comes at a cost because a number of requests need to be made to the server. this is generally untrue. In principle this is exactly how download accelerators work. They split a large file into smaller segments and sent

Re: [WSG] Structuring CSS

2008-06-10 Thread Peter Ottery
re - Out of curiosity, it wasn't an actual physical stop watch was it? of course not - it was an abacus! ;-) nah in all seriousness, it was before the time of firebug, and around the time of the birth of this mailing list. yes it was literally a stopwatch - which was enough for me at the time. i

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