RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread Stephen Stagg
Could you use the Javascript getComputedStyle() function on an interval loop to test for Text-size and if the Text size was too great then the Menu's class could be changed to one with overflow:scroll. (Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wdf-dom/message/3820) Also if you define you DL height

RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread Stephen Stagg
dont know, not sure how to do that but I will look it up. I cant scale the bg to fit because its a one piece fixed size bg thanks From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 7:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

RE: [WSG] Casual Friday[Drop-Down Menus]

2005-11-25 Thread Stephen Stagg
Just to stop this thread from being too one-sided, I disagree. While I do agree that care should be taken, it depends on the content that is being portrayed and the levels of hierarchy involved. On a relatively simple site structure, drop-downs can serve to reduce screen clutter while allowing

RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-26 Thread Stephen Stagg
Actually, a workaround has been proposed for your specific problem (see earlier in the thread). If Ive read your post correctly, you have ignored common accessibility and layout standards/conventions to create a static design and then want the standards group list to help you work around

RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique

2005-11-28 Thread Stephen Stagg
Looking at your javascript, I don't understand your reasons for using javascript. You are determining the season from the Month and Day. This is constant across the globe (give or take) at any specific time. Therefore can't you use PHP or some other server script tool or even just a manual

RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique

2005-11-28 Thread Stephen Stagg
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Stagg Sent: 29 November 2005 00:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique Looking at your javascript, I don't understand your reasons for using javascript. You

RE: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique

2005-11-28 Thread Stephen Stagg
For what it's worth, I've written a script linked to the hostip.info database and a local dataset of country latitudes to guess the current season. It's very rough and ready and you can check it out here: http://www.minimology.co.uk/geol.php It was quite an interesting little project

RE: [WSG] Call for Site Check

2005-11-28 Thread Stephen Stagg
It looks great on FF/Win. If anything, I would suggest that the overall page background be made even darker to bring out the Blue/Orange a bit. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Harris Sent: 29 November 2005 05:09 To:

RE: Fw: [WSG] Call for Site Check

2005-11-29 Thread Stephen Stagg
One other point, on FF 1.5, if I click to the left of the main column, it selects everything and makes things look a bit odd. I don't know if there's anything you can do about it but it's slightly annoying and can be confusing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Stephen Stagg
I thought that it was an implementation of the SVG standard in Firefox, something that hasn't been present till now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Pack Sent: 30 November 2005 00:24 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG]

[WSG] FF1.5 and Web Dev. T/B

2005-11-30 Thread Stephen Stagg
Is it just me or does the Disable Images option on the Web Developers Toolbar not work with FF1.5? Stephen

RE: [WSG] Newcomers and Web Standards

2005-12-03 Thread Stephen Stagg
I'm trying to use TSWebEditor (www.tswebeditor.tk) at the moment. It has a few annoying features but that is offset by a host of good things (including PHP script debugging - if you need it :) and CSS Editing dialogs) I'm a bit of a fundamentalist when it comes to editors and use SCITE because

[WSG] Taking things to extremes.

2005-12-06 Thread Stephen Stagg
If a search page were to only have one piece of Javascript attached to it (more specifically to the body-onload event) : document.F.Q.focus(); Should this be placed in a separate JavaScript file in order to make it more manageable, or just declared inline? Stephen

Re: [WSG] talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Stephen Stagg
The other problem with the validation logos is that they don't always mean that the page is valid. In my experience, a large number of sites with these logos don't serve valid code and fail the test that they link to. I think that this analog with the construction world is not really

Re: [WSG] talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Stephen Stagg
Peter Williams wrote: From: Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] have you ever seen a house with a huge sign on it: This house is standards compliant? No, but washing machines, fridges and cars are all now displaying stickers that advise of their efficiency in terms of an industry and

Re: [WSG] talking points for standards

2005-12-06 Thread Stephen Stagg
Christian Montoya wrote: On 12/6/05, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A better way to force the implementation of Accessibility standards would be to set up a group, or just urge disabled people, to sue companies and web hosts who serve inaccessible sites. Once people and customers

Re: [WSG] talking points for standards

2005-12-07 Thread Stephen Stagg
, it means at least passing the WAG 1 test. I don't think that Managers and The-people-who-control-the-money do believe that not following standards will cost them and publicising web standards is still a big issue. Stephen Duckworth, Nigel wrote: Stephen Stagg: A better way to force

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-07 Thread Stephen Stagg
I'm no Lawyer but what are the legal ramifications of a user having the wrong year set on the client. If the client's clock were set to 1900 then wouldn't the Copyright notice then be invalid? That is one of the ramifications of not Using PHP or ASP. Stephen Bob Schwartz wrote: Lachlan,

Re: [WSG] page check please - mime type!

2005-12-07 Thread Stephen Stagg
Designer wrote: Dear colleagues, Forgive my labouring the point, but after our discussions I have done what Gunlaug did, i.e., made a page as xhtml, with the headers as below: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; html

Re: [WSG] page check please - mime type!

2005-12-07 Thread Stephen Stagg
. Even their website has the text: Image reproduced with permission of Ordnance Survey and Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland below each image. designer wrote: Duh? Stephen? Stephen Stagg wrote: Apart from using copyrighted images without attributing them :). Best Regards, Bob McClelland

[WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements (will be | is) 2 Sponsors logos at the top of each page which will go into the template. I want the links to be randomly selected

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
not understanding what you're trying to do... Josh p.s. Cool flowed-frame text! On 12/9/05, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One site that I'm currently coding (http://www.minimology.co.uk/everest) uses some simple PHP to manage a few dynamic elements on the pages. One of these elements

Re: [WSG] Dynamic Styles - Inline? What?

2005-12-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
the CSS to select the appropriate background image. -- multiple css files, use php to call the appropriate one. I have an example available if you're interested. Linda (breaking away from normal lurk mode) - Original Message - From: Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG wsg

[WSG] positive-discrimination === not positive and IMG properties

2005-12-13 Thread Stephen Stagg
of stylistically adding labels to images? At the moment i'm using: p class=image title=!label! img src=!URI! alt=!label!/span class=label!label!/span /p is this right? what do you suggest? Stephen Stagg. ** The discussion list for http

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-13 Thread Stephen Stagg
It depends on who the recipient of the policy doc is. One, very large, contractor we were working with considered MUST to mean SHOULD, and SHOULD to be IF YOU CAN BE RSED. They're government funded so no-one cared. Stephen heretic wrote: I guess your assertion hinges on how one interprets

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-13 Thread Stephen Stagg
Al Sparber wrote: In any case, we are dealing with a language (English, that is) which produced the rule I before E except when it's not. I know, it used to be ...before C but that's not actually true (weird isn't it). Crazy language :) Except it's not a rule but an aid to correct spelling.

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-13 Thread Stephen Stagg
I take it, therefore, that none of your sites use style sheets at all (unnecessary), they all use a serif font for body content(easier to read long para's when in serifs) and that images are only used for visualization aids? Very little of what we do is determined by necessity, otherwise we

Re: [WSG] JK Rowlings and Accessibility

2005-12-14 Thread Stephen Stagg
Jared Smith wrote: Felicity Farr wrote: I love the attitude of the big players...provide a text alternative and it's instantly accessible. ...and a direct violation of US Section 508: A text-only page, with equivalent information or functionality, shall be provided to make a web site comply

[WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
Slightly off-list but important all the same. I traditionally design sites to look good at 800x600 and best at 1024x768. Now, tho, it seems as if users visiting with resolutions of 800x600 are around the 1% margin. Could those of you with access to good stats packages for your sites please

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
% of people have the same resolution as you Rather than make up the figures, it is better to have hard data. I AM AWARE of the limitations of using screen-resolution data. But it doesn't completely invalidate the collection of such data. Stephen Lachlan Hunt wrote: Stephen Stagg wrote

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
I DON'T DESIGN FIXED WIDTH SITES. -- unless the client really wants it and they have a good reason I don't want to scale images until all major browsers support antialiased or bicubic scaling methods. I don't want to clip images because I believe that correct proportions and good cropping is an

Re: [WSG] Browser Resolutions

2005-12-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
Jan Brasna wrote: I WAS hoping that a couple of kind people might look at their server logs or stats and read off the resolution and % data for me. I posted link to charts. Not only with resolution (which is mostly irrelevant) but with viewport sizes as well. What more particularly do you

Re: [WSG] weird IE6 doctype switching question

2005-12-18 Thread Stephen Stagg
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Marco van Hylckama Vlieg wrote: Question: Is it possible to make IE6 use the broken box model for a PART of the document? No, DOCTYPE switching applies to the whole document, not just parts of the document. The different box model may one day be able to be chosen using

Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!

2006-01-26 Thread Stephen Stagg
In my, suitably humble, opinion, PHP 'is a good thing' and so I'm going to keep using it for the foreseeable future. The only thing that'll make me really use RUBY is when people start wanting sites upgraded when they are already using it. This may come across as a bit of a

Re: [WSG] Mac CSS issues

2006-01-27 Thread Stephen Stagg
This may not help at all BUT... It looks fine on Safari (Mac OSX 10.4) and it would be very reasonable just to ignore IE 5 for Mac as even Microsoft don't support it. A way of working round the problem is to use server-side (or client side if necessary) to serve a cut-down version of the

Re: [WSG] The dilemma: tabular data with sublevels

2006-01-29 Thread Stephen Stagg
OR. cut a few semantics corners and make all visitors happy by using a standard nested list approach with [add][edit][delete] as text links after: Even Lynx users will see this: liItemX a href=[add]/anbsp;a/a ulliItem X.Y a href=[add]/anbsp;a/a/li ... ... liItem X.Z.D.E.E.Pa

Re: [WSG] Site Review

2006-01-30 Thread Stephen Stagg
Should an agent's address really be a definition list?? If you want that sort of semantic pedantry, the markup should be: block tag hxAcme Estate Agents/hx dl dtAddress/dt dd The...Housebr/ Lodge Roa...4DD/dd dtTelephone/dt dd0208

Re: [WSG] list's with header text

2006-01-31 Thread Stephen Stagg
Sarcasm Alert :) !--[if ! Moral High-Horse Police] or... you could use a definition list: dl dtDays of the Week/dt dd dl dtDay 0/dt ddSunday/dd dtDay 1/dt ddMonday/dd

Re: [WSG] Article: DL + DOM = cool FAQ page

2006-02-01 Thread Stephen Stagg
Is it just me, or does this example NOT work at all with safari? The technique may be the dog's wotsits but the page is just blank in Safari. Stephen On 1 Feb 2006, at 17:58, Thierry Koblentz wrote: The advantages of this solution: - It uses semantic markup. - It degrades nicely (hidden

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 2 Feb 2006, at 20:57, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: (and ideally force a download via appropriate MIME settings on the server to send it as an octet stream). Doing so would override the local browser's setting. Is this 'a good thing'? I would have thought that trying to force the browser

Re: [WSG] HTML Restructuring of hopkinsprogramming.net

2006-02-02 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 2 Feb 2006, at 21:33, Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: I personally would expect the page to appear as any typical printed document should. Page Title (your h1 element) Table of Contents (your ul nav list) Content (content) That is a good ethos when designing for monitor-based

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-03 Thread Stephen Stagg
users do this by 'preference' one way or another. Josh On 2/3/06, Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 Feb 2006, at 20:57, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: (and ideally force a download via appropriate MIME settings on the server to send it as an octet stream). Doing so would override the local

Re: [WSG] Gaps At The Top - ANSWER

2006-02-03 Thread Stephen Stagg
Without wanting to unleash too many ponies, I would be interested to know why using 0(px | em | %) is so much of a standards blunder.  I'm sure there some obvious answer but for the life of me, I can't think of one :).If this has already been done to death on the list, please forgive me and email

Re: [WSG] PDF files on web site

2006-02-04 Thread Stephen Stagg
replacement. Felix's link to Alertbox is great, btw... On 2/3/06, Ray Cauchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:47 PM 3/02/2006, Stephen Stagg wrote: PDF content rarely has the _behaviour_ of a web page (rich hyperlink structures/inbound/outbound links, etc) PDF's can and do contain hyperlinks

Re: [WSG] Most semantic XHTML markup possible - your thoughts

2006-02-06 Thread Stephen Stagg
I would agree with you, it seems as if a definition list should only be used for 'concise' definitions. However, common usage has made it mean any list of key=value pairs. I guess that it is how the majority of people interpret a standard that really defines it. Stephen On 6 Feb 2006,

Re: [WSG] Most semantic XHTML markup possible - your thoughts

2006-02-06 Thread Stephen Stagg
You could easily argue that a definition list IS fit for purpose. Take your example: h2JAWS (X)HTML interpretationsh2 dl dt em (Emphasis) /dt ddJAWS will use pitch and tone to emphasise the words contained within the em element/dd dl strong (Strong Emphasis) /dt ddJAWS will

[WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
Why do we need an HTML 5? Can't we dispose of HTML and just use styled XML in the future? It would be one helluva way to enforce standards, and we wouldn't have all this wrangling over exactly which element to use. HTML in itself is not a good example of an XML doctype because the

Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
How could you know what style to apply to meaningless content?That's what the style-sheet is for.  We are relying more and more on the display: element of CSS, why not define a well-thought out and extensible set of display types to replace the default behavior of many current tags. Want to

Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-08 Thread Stephen Stagg
Sorry, it's late in England. I'm gonna go to bed now :)How could you know what style to apply to meaningless content?That's what the style-sheet is for.  We are relying more and more on the display: element of CSS, why not define a well-thought out and extensible set of display types to replace

Re: [WSG] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-09 Thread Stephen Stagg
Ok, one last try. My thoughts have little to do with semantics. Semantics are based on standards and languages, and therefore if HTML were dropped, something would HAVE to be introduced to replace it. However, like the hCard format, trying to break the HTML structure to add semantics to

Re: Edit: Re: [WSG] [Please don't flame :)] HTML, XML what's the difference.

2006-02-10 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 10 Feb 2006, at 19:14, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Stephen Stagg wrote: And how, pray tell, would a screen reader know - based on a series of presentational rules - what the meaning of a made-up tag soup is? The same way that they would with normal HTML, by reading the XML

Re: [WSG] Web design education

2006-02-13 Thread Stephen Stagg
That's a major reason why I didn't go to university, you don't learn nuffink(sic. :) ) useful. and have to pay around £10,000 for the privilege Stephen On 13 Feb 2006, at 15:24, Chris Taylor wrote: A large university here in the UK offers web design courses. But I don't hold out much

[WSG] JKRowling.com and the militia

2006-02-14 Thread Stephen Stagg
so I visited the JKRowling site a while ago and was impressed by the design of the new site, easy and fun to use. Later, I read some comments on this site about Lightmaker and the worth of their accessibility methods (or suggested lack thereof) Recently I re-visited the site and had some

Re: [WSG] TARGET in 4.01 Strict

2006-02-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 15 Feb 2006, at 11:53, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: If I *have* to open a new window, I use this: onclick=target='_blank' onkeypress=target='_blank' It is still script dependent, and does work with key operation as well. [pony mode] ?¿? This seems a little ridiculous to me. Just

[WSG] Mac Update

2006-02-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
Heads up, I haven't properly checked it out yet but Mac have released an OS update and the second item in the changelog summary is: - Safari rendering of web pages This may have broken/fixed websites that you are responsible for. Stephen

Re: [WSG] TARGET in 4.01 Strict

2006-02-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 15 Feb 2006, at 12:28, Lachlan Hunt wrote: What I really don't understand is that there are so many people who participate in this and various other mailing lists, newsgroups and forums that actively advise against using popups and explain why they hate them, yet you still somehow

Re: [WSG] TARGET in 4.01 Strict

2006-02-15 Thread Stephen Stagg
But I think the best option is to completely disable the target attribute to prevent the author from interfering with your decision and make it yourself, every single time. You cannot possibly rely on the author to make the right decision for you, because every user is different.

Re: [WSG] site check

2006-02-16 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 17 Feb 2006, at 00:43, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: kvnmcwebn wrote: What did Felix advise? He's right as far as he went. There's another serious accessibility problem he didn't touch on, plus a corollary, which you can see in the screenshot. In your CSS is an accessibility issue, as well as

Re: [WSG] site check

2006-02-17 Thread Stephen Stagg
-Original Message- From: Felix Miata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Please tell us which combination(s) of display size and resolution and at which DPI values your description applies to: 13 on 800x600 ... 13 on 1152x864 -- !!! Sadist :) ... 21 on 2048x1536 22 on 2048x1536 Less than

Re: [WSG] Quick Site Check - CSS Problem?

2006-02-20 Thread Stephen Stagg
Tho I haven't checked it, sounds like the user had Images disabled in IE6. On 20 Feb 2006, at 20:02, Designer wrote: David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone, I would appreciate it very much if you could look at this site: http://www.visitshetland.com/ I have already checked it on several

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-23 Thread Stephen Stagg
On 23 Feb 2006, at 11:19, Ian Anderson wrote: Kevin Futter wrote: Anyway, for the benefit of others interested in this thread/topic, the upshot from the above link seems to be that the pipe character (|) is the best compromise currently available as a screen reader-friendly element

Re: [WSG] 3 Columns

2006-02-23 Thread Stephen Stagg
If the name order is not important, use a UL with LIs styled with float:left; width:29% or similar. This way, It degrades nicely and works on small screens (the elements are coerced into a single column. On 23 Feb 2006, at 11:02, Roberto Santana wrote: Hello! I'm creating a page that

Re: [WSG] Breadcrumb as Section Heading H1

2006-02-24 Thread Stephen Stagg
you're right of course. I should use an OL and put the breadcrumb text as a heading. However I found this method to be the most compliant and easiest to implement, and it is understandable in most browsers. On 23 Feb 2006, at 20:55, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Stephen Stagg wrote

[WSG] IE7 - The Good the Bad and the Ugly

2006-03-03 Thread Stephen Stagg
I don't know how many of you have tried IE7(currently Beta 2) yet, but It has a number of 'features' that could cause some issues / solve some issues, I thought I would list those that i've experienced and see if I can get some comments on them: * More informative Error Pages. As a